[yannah]

Originally Posted by PERKDOUG

There need be no causality between diabetes and obesity. They are associations with the same underlying cause, that being over consumption of refined (fast acting) carbohydrates such as sugars, flour, rice, beer and other easily digested starchs in the western diet. Take obesity by itself, I challenge you to gain weight eating the Adkins induction diet of high fat, moderate protein and less than 20 grams of carbs per day. As for the type 2 diabetic or the obese who may read this post, reflect on the refined carbohydrate portion of your diet leading up to your condition. Put a pencil to it using a nutrition book. If you are honest in your analysis, as H. Ross Perot is known to have said "I think I see a pattern here." The pattern is simple: breakfast cereals, fruit juices, bread ,beer, candy, soft drinks, pasta, pizza, low fat milk, ect. In short, fast acting carbohydrates form a high percent of your diet. These "fast actors" cause you to eat more than you would eat on the Atkins protocal or any diet lacking them. Take them out of the diet and see the improvement. Easier said than done. I consider type 2 and obesity to be the end points on what properly should be called Carbohydrate Addiction. I have suffered from it myself and overcome it by simply limiting my intake of the "fast actors" resulting in the lose of 30 pounds of fat with no hunger during the process. Over time, your craving for the "fast actors" will decline. It is somewhat like curing an alcoholic but probably a lot easier.

I hope this post does not stir up unpleasant feeling. I wanted to express my opinion after much reading of the available literature and my personal observations.

not at all. I think you are right on. However, I got diabetes form a drug called Zyprexa, and I think that getting diabetes is kind of complicated. but also agree with you as part of the answer.