[volleyball]

I don't think the AHA has it in for us or just trying to protect themselves. But as an organization, they were under pressure to do something and the low fat thing seem to make sense. So they ran with it. It will take overwhelming evidence for them to change course abruptly.
Problem seemed to be people were having heart attacks and seeing how single minded some people get, they go after that problem. Now if someone high enough had said, whoa, the fix for this is to follow the ADA mantra and take care of your diabetes first and you most likely would not be here, then that person would have been canned because the ADA would have gotton all the money instead. The AHA would have no funding to help those that were a little too late to be helped by the ADA which we know to be not much help anyways.
Since Taubes is favored by many here, here is another link to him. I have not watched so I take no credit or blame

UC Berkeley Webcasts | Video and Podcasts: The Quality of Calories: What Makes Us Fat and Why Nobody Seems to Care

[DarthDiabetes]

Check this out too...

Regular Walking Protects The Masai -- Who Eat High Fat Diet -- From Cardiovascular Disease

What do we really know?

[fgummett]

Originally Posted by DarthDiabetes

Regular Walking Protects The Masai -- Who Eat High Fat Diet -- From Cardiovascular Disease

That is an example of a study being shoehorned to fit into the current orthodoxy: we have been telling people to eat low-fat so how can we explain why the Masai who eat high-fat manage to stay thin... or the Inuit... or the Pima tribe... or all the other indigenous groups that were thin, fit and healthy (no Obesity, Diabetes, Cancer and Dementia) UNTIL they started eating a "Western" diet rich in carbohydrates Notice that the picture shows the Masai men walking NOT the women... I'm sure they are active but do they walk as much.. not from what I have seen on documentaries? I firmly believe that simply walking is the very best exercise for us humans BUT it doesn't explain away the apparent paradox of a high-fat diet... lack of carbohydrates does

[volleyball]

To think a group is protected from diabetes is misguided. Take a dozen Masai kids, give them a sedentary lifestyle with lots of junkfood and video games, then desk jobs and see where they are at in their forties. Then you have a study.
I would expect them to have the same average as us.
In those societies, if you did get diabetes, you got sick, you became lunch for your prey. They live very much by the rule is that I don't have to faster than the tiger, just faster than you.


To think of all the wonderful labor saving devices we covet are a source of our demise. That and the desire to have long shelf life food at the lowest cost have had their toll on us. Not that these things are not good. It's just not the utopia the dreamers had hoped for.

We must find balance. One thing I'd admired by Star trek was their balance of high quality food with heavy physical activites whether sports, combat practice or weight training to compensate for their being stuck in a small place

[fgummett]

Take a dozen Masai kids, give them a sedentary lifestyle with lots of junkfood and video games, then desk jobs and see where they are at in their forties. Then you have a study.

The trouble with that approach is that it is not scientific... too many variables have been changed, so that when (not "if") they start getting these chronic "Western" diseases you could blame it on whatever the current thinking dictates... that is what has been happening with the low-fat dogma of the past 30 years or so. From my reading I suggest that if you only changed one thing by giving some of them the same amounts of refined carbs as eaten in the UK or USA, and changed nothing else* they would still become chronically diseased. But that kind of study is unethical and should never be done so we continue to fall back on previous similarly unscientific studies and draw conclusions based on personal preference rather than science.

*unfortunately this approach would change two things because they would be eating less fat to balance the added carbs, but if you follow the AHA/NIH low-fat thinking that should be a good thing... right? But then as they gained weight and became less active (as a result of the extra weight and chronic inflammation... not the initial cause) you find yet another variable has been changed... and so it goes...