Are you a "morning person"? Dawn Phenomenon poll

duck · #1 (**permalink**) 07-13-2006, 10:18 AM

I am starting a poll to see if we can make a link between Dawn Phenomenon and being a "morning person". For the purposes of this poll, you are a morning person if you naturally get up early, alarm clock or not. If you can sleep until noon with no worries, then you are NOT a morning person.

Also, my understanding is that DP occurs early morning, typically when we are asleep. It is not the same as waking and having your sugars take off on you, though there is some debate about that.

spike · #2 (**permalink**) 07-13-2006, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by duck

I am starting a poll to see if we can make a link between Dawn Phenomenon and being a "morning person". For the purposes of this poll, you are a morning person if you naturally get up early, alarm clock or not. If you can sleep until noon with no worries, then you are NOT a morning person.

By your definition, I'm neither, even though I consider myself NOT a morning person. I always needed an alarm clock to go through several snooze alarms to get me up. I wake up during my morning shower, rather than bounce out of bed full of energy like my ex used to. She could wake up and in the next instant be running around cleaning the house, fully awake.

I do NOT like sleeping in all morning though--I'm up before 7:30.

Now for the DP--my basal rate in the middle of the night is double my daily basal rate. That's one of the primary reasons I switched from MDI to pumping--to wake up with a normal bg instead of being sky high.

JediSkipdogg · #3 (**permalink**) 07-13-2006, 10:42 AM

My problem is I'm both a morning and non morning person. On days that I work I'm up at 5 am and ready to go by 5:05 if needed. On days that I'm off, I sleep till noon and then still takes about an hour or two before I feel like doing anything.

I will say though that my DP is MUCH stronger during my 5 am wakes than my noon wakes.

4519 · #4 (**permalink**) 07-13-2006, 11:17 AM

I have only a small problem with it. It is normal and happens to non-diabetics as well, but they control it.

duck · #5 (**permalink**) 07-13-2006, 11:29 AM

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By your definition, I'm neither, even though I consider myself NOT a morning person. I always needed an alarm clock to go through several snooze alarms to get me up. I wake up during my morning shower, rather than bounce out of bed full of energy like my ex used to. She could wake up and in the next instant be running around cleaning the house, fully awake.

I do NOT like sleeping in all morning though--I'm up before 7:30.

Now for the DP--my basal rate in the middle of the night is double my daily basal rate. That's one of the primary reasons I switched from MDI to pumping--to wake up with a normal bg instead of being sky high.

Somehow, I think if you are up by 0730, you can safely classify yourself as a morning person.

Slightly OT: But I think "morning people" don't think they are "morning people". In college, my roommate and my GF were both morning people and would likely cut your throat if you acused them of such an evil thing. My roommate literally would fall apart at 9PM...Start complaining about being tired, sick, not feeling well...and out life a light as soon as he laid down (made life real difficult since I am a "night person"). And at 0600, he was awake, whistling, singing. I almost put my boot in his foot a couple times. My GF could stay up late, but even so, she was out and about at 0700, but not always happily. She said that since she needed a shower to feel fully awake, she was not a morning person. I argued since she could get out of bed by 0700 without an alarm, she was. Alas, one of the many arguments we had, LOL.

duck · #6 (**permalink**) 07-13-2006, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by 4519

I have only a small problem with it. It is normal and happens to non-diabetics as well, but they control it.

Agreed. As diabetics, we get some insights into things we would otherwise not get...ie, some of the chemistry behind being a "morning person". My theory is that more of us who have DP will also be "morning people", if not all of us.

valc3 · #7 (**permalink**) 07-13-2006, 11:41 AM

Okay, I'm definately a morning person. I'm up, out of bed and dressed by 5am. Morning is the best time of day. I have no DP.

spike · #8 (**permalink**) 07-13-2006, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by duck

Somehow, I think if you are up by 0730, you can safely classify yourself as a morning person.

Slightly OT: But I think "morning people" don't think they are "morning people". In college, my roommate and my GF were both morning people and would likely cut your throat if you acused them of such an evil thing. My roommate literally would fall apart at 9PM...Start complaining about being tired, sick, not feeling well...and out life a light as soon as he laid down (made life real difficult since I am a "night person"). And at 0600, he was awake, whistling, singing. I almost put my boot in his foot a couple times. My GF could stay up late, but even so, she was out and about at 0700, but not always happily. She said that since she needed a shower to feel fully awake, she was not a morning person. I argued since she could get out of bed by 0700 without an alarm, she was. Alas, one of the many arguments we had, LOL.

<g>, OK, I'll consider myself a morning person. (But not an EARLY morning person, OK?)

jen_slc · #9 (**permalink**) 07-13-2006, 12:39 PM

I am definitely NOT a morning person (awake and dressed and ready to go by 5am, Val? that sounds like absolute torture!!!

) and I do NOT experience dawn phenomenon, going by the definition of dawn phenomenon = a bg rise BEFORE getting up. Although I'm going to check my DexCom data to be sure - I've been going under the assumption I have no problem with DP. Are you defining dawn phenomenon as a large increase in bg or any increase regardless of size? I imagine that all of us exhibit some degree of dawn phenomenon, whether we know it or not.

grace girl · #10 (**permalink**) 07-13-2006, 12:41 PM

I fit your criterea as a morning person....I use an alarm clock, but within 10 minutes of being up....I'm UP! I've never experienced DP. Unless they've just got me on so much lantus that I don't know it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

duck · #11 (**permalink**) 07-13-2006, 12:45 PM

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I am definitely NOT a morning person (awake and dressed and ready to go by 5am, Val? that sounds like absolute torture!!!

) and I do NOT experience dawn phenomenon, going by the definition of dawn phenomenon = a bg rise BEFORE getting up. Although I'm going to check my DexCom data to be sure - I've been going under the assumption I have no problem with DP. Are you defining dawn phenomenon as a large increase in bg or any increase regardless of size? I imagine that all of us exhibit some degree of dawn phenomenon, whether we know it or not.

You're probably right about that...The body has to release some glucose as part of its "get ready for the day" cycle. Then again, there are some people who can never get going...maybe they don't, and the non-release of glucose is part of that? Hmmmmm...

Keezheekoni · #12 (**permalink**) 07-13-2006, 01:04 PM

I used to be a morning person, then I had my third child and became a stay at home mom... Since I don't have to get up for work, and I homeschool the kids, we are all not morning people. My husband is a software developer and works from home, so he's the only one who has to get up early. Well, not true, our 14 year old goes to public school, so she does get up early...

I don't believe that I have a dawn phenomenon, but maybe when I get onto the pump I will find out if I really do? I'm on 65u of Lantus at night, so maybe I do and just don't know it...

Rikki

duck · #13 (**permalink**) 07-13-2006, 01:06 PM

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I used to be a morning person, then I had my third child and became a stay at home mom... Since I don't have to get up for work, and I homeschool the kids, we are all not morning people. My husband is a software developer and works from home, so he's the only one who has to get up early. Well, not true, our 14 year old goes to public school, so she does get up early...

I don't believe that I have a dawn phenomenon, but maybe when I get onto the pump I will find out if I really do? I'm on 65u of Lantus at night, so maybe I do and just don't know it...

Rikki

If you consistently wake up with blood sugars in the stratosphere, and no matter what you try it's always high, it may be DP. From what I understand, it doesn't take a day off ever, and most of the time does not respond to anything other than insulin (ie, dietary tactics don't typically help).

Keezheekoni · #14 (**permalink**) 07-13-2006, 01:21 PM

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If you consistently wake up with blood sugars in the stratosphere, and no matter what you try it's always high, it may be DP.

Well, since I consistently wake up at 94, I guess I don't have it then!

Rikki

BriOnH · #15 (**permalink**) 07-13-2006, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JediSkipdogg

I will say though that my DP is MUCH stronger during my 5 am wakes than my noon wakes.

that. I find it strange that on the weekends, when I can sleep in I'll wake up low at 11am, but on weekdays when I work I am usually around 180 mg/dl 11am(wo breakfast, never been a breakfast person).