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Diabetes for 10-20 years and no retinopathy
|    | 22 | 34.38% | |
Diabetes for 10-20 years and non-proliferative retinopathy - no laser treatments
|    | 8 | 12.50% | |
Diabetes for 10-20 years and non-proliferative retinopathy - had/having laser treatments
|    | 0 | 0% | |
Diabetes for 10-20 years and proliferative retinopathy - no laser treatments
|    | 0 | 0% | |
Diabetes for 10-20 years and proliferative retinopathy - had/having laser treatments
|    | 2 | 3.13% | |
Diabetes for 20+ years and no retinopathy
|    | 21 | 32.81% | |
Diabetes for 20+ years and non-proliferative retinopathy - no laser treatments
| | 4 | 6.25% | |
Diabetes for 20 + years and non-proliferative retinopathy - had/having laser treatments
| | 1 | 1.56% | |
Diabetes for 20+ years and proliferative retinopathy - no laser treatments
| | 0 | 0% | |
Diabetes for 20+ years and proliferative retinopathy - had/having laser treatments
| | 6 | 9.38% |
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06-12-2007, 08:17 PM
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I am a: Type 1 | | Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Rothesay, New Brunswick Canada, eh
Posts: 7,119
| | | Cumulative makes more sense. Was the tear in the periphery? |
06-12-2007, 08:22 PM
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I am a: Type 1 | | Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Sacramento California
Posts: 2,515
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Originally Posted by duck  Brother, don't let the sugar kill you. Work harder on letting the sex, drugs or rock and roll kill you. | Sorry to go off topic, but AMEN! |
06-12-2007, 08:37 PM
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I am a: Type 1 | | Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: SE Michigan
Posts: 195
| | | 43 years here and no sign of any eye damage! I feel so very fortunate.
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Liz from Michigan
dxed 6/64 - pumping with Animas 1250 since 11/09/06 and using Dexcom7 since 2/15/08
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06-12-2007, 09:19 PM
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I am a: Type 1 | | Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tenessee
Posts: 1,430
| | | Nothing yet but one broken blood vessel i dunno what that means but the eye dr wasn't concerned cause he said it was clearing up or it looked like it was already healing when he found it.....
I am 16 yrs with D myself had lots of dental issue's though....loads of them.
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March a1c 6.4
Pumper 522 with Humalog
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06-13-2007, 12:52 AM
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I am a: Type 1 | | Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cleveland, Oh
Posts: 2,097
| | Diabetes for nearly 30 years (first three untreated, thanks dr. hostetler) I've had around 20 laser treatments in my right eye, 5 in my left plus a fame four experiment that made matters worse  . I'm legally blind.
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"Blessed is the man, who having nothing to say, abstains from giving wordy evidence of the fact."
- George Eliot (1819-1880)
Here's my pet, Godzilla  Time to switch to decaf, eh?
Isaiah 32:5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal...
Better to remain silent and assumed a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.
-Socrates
A wise man speaks cuz he has something to say, a fool speaks cuz he has to say something.
-Plato
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06-13-2007, 04:53 AM
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I am a: Type 1 | | Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NJ
Posts: 716
| | | 33 years and no problems. My eye Dr. said there are no signs of any damage. I feel lucky about this as the first 15 years were not the best of control. We just did not have the resources or products we have now.
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Type 1 since 4/74
Pump user since 10/17/06!
MM 522 pump
CGMS started 10/3/08
A1C 5/08: 6.0
A1C 10/08 5.7 
Bike miles this year: 2332 miles
Keep on pedaling
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06-13-2007, 01:30 PM
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I am a: Type 1 | | Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Missouri
Posts: 301
| | Then of course there are those that have < 10 years diabetes experience and have already been lasered.  And who said being young and stupid was fun?
But - I've read something that was rather interesting that Jedi had posted in another thread. He said something along the lines that if one had to choose, that it would be better to run consistently high rather than consistently swaying from low-to-high-to-low and so on. It's strange that after four years of running an A1C of 13+ that I didn't have any problems except for some slight neuropathy. Since starting back on a plan - that's when I noticed my eyes went down hill. Perhaps it caught up with or maybe it was better to run consistently high rather than swing from 60-180 and back down. Who knows? |
06-14-2007, 06:52 AM
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I am a: Type 1 | | Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Manitoba, Canada
Posts: 1,767
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Originally Posted by jjames It's strange that after four years of running an A1C of 13+ that I didn't have any problems except for some slight neuropathy. Since starting back on a plan - that's when I noticed my eyes went down hill. Perhaps it caught up with or maybe it was better to run consistently high rather than swing from 60-180 and back down. Who knows? | This is my case too. I didn't have an A1C of 13+....it was typically in the 8s, but it was only when I started getting my diabetes under control and bring my A1C down that I started to get more hemmoraging, and now the proliferative. *big sigh*
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~ Bethany ~
Type 1 since I was 3 (1981) - 26 years now
Pumping as of Sept. 13, 2007 - Paradigm 522 with NovoRapid (Novolog)
(Previously on Levemir and Humalog)
CGMS as of Apr. 2008
Laser treatments (scatter) on both eyes - Jul. 4, 2007-Sept. 12, 2007 |
06-14-2007, 07:14 AM
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I am a: Type 1 | | Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Rothesay, New Brunswick Canada, eh
Posts: 7,119
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Originally Posted by belyro This is my case too. I didn't have an A1C of 13+....it was typically in the 8s, but it was only when I started getting my diabetes under control and bring my A1C down that I started to get more hemmoraging, and now the proliferative. *big sigh* | The Grunter, my optho, says there's no medical basis for this theory. They were going to bleed anyway. |
06-14-2007, 10:43 AM
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I am a: Type 1 | | Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Manitoba, Canada
Posts: 1,767
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Originally Posted by xMenace The Grunter, my optho, says there's no medical basis for this theory. They were going to bleed anyway. | But then why does it happen so often?
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~ Bethany ~
Type 1 since I was 3 (1981) - 26 years now
Pumping as of Sept. 13, 2007 - Paradigm 522 with NovoRapid (Novolog)
(Previously on Levemir and Humalog)
CGMS as of Apr. 2008
Laser treatments (scatter) on both eyes - Jul. 4, 2007-Sept. 12, 2007 |
06-14-2007, 10:53 AM
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I am a: Type 1 | | Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tenessee
Posts: 1,430
| | | OMG, me too, i don't have what you consider damage as far as I know with my eyes, but when I went back in Nov. and had the broken vessel this was after I was gaining back control and not living in the 300's-400's anymore......I will see what goes on in August i have to go back then to make sure there is no new damage.......could be a link there...
Cheryl
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March a1c 6.4
Pumper 522 with Humalog
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06-15-2007, 05:09 AM
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I am a: Type 1 | | Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Ontario Canada
Posts: 3,213
| | After a coma and carrying my Son through
pregnancy, I had laser for PR on my left eye
only, 22 yrs. after being dxd. No others needed.
I had my Ophtho appt. on Tues. and he's
Happy, I'm Happy. My eyes look Great
and he doesn't want to see me 'til June/08.
Unless I need him sooner, of course, which I
won't(kow). I'm 45+ yrs. since diagnosis.
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06-16-2007, 11:04 AM
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I am a: Type 1 | | Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: California
Posts: 1,288
| | | Why some cases of retinopathy worsen when diabetic control improves
Here are some references from the search using the above words and Google. I believe most of these studies cite the improved circulation in the retina and the increase in VEGF (endothelial growth factor) that are a result of tighter control.
In this 1985 paper:
Dah-Jorgensen Dahl-Jorgensen K, et al. . Rapid Tightening of blood glucose control leads to transient deterioration of retinopathy in insulin dependent diabetes mellitus: The Oslo Study Br Med J 1985. 290: 811-815.
At this site: Proliferative Retinopathy (DiabeticRetinopathy.org.uk)
(quotes from the above)
A sudden improvement in control will lead to a temporary rapid increase in progression of retinopathy: laser may be needed.
Good control is important in the longer term, that is after about 2 years, when people who control their diabetes well will be better off. See
A temporary increase in retinopathy is most common when starting insulin for the first time, especially if the diabetes is very badly controlled when you start the insulin.
And iIn this article: Why some cases of retinopathy worsen when diabetic control improves -- Chantelau and Kohner 315 (7116): 1105 -- BMJ
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