[gobbly2100]

Just a short one,

I love cheese strings because you can pretty much eat them as you wish, they are quite fatty but no carbs/sugar

[princesslinda]

I'm an almond or walnut fan....10-12 of them are great snack, supposed with the "good" fats. Also, I like pork rinds.

[notme]

Raw almonds are good and so it celery with peanut butter. Neither are low fat, but good for a snack now and then.

[Cyborg]

Any of the nuts... Jerky, lunch meats, cheeses, smoked fish. The problem is that they contain protein, which also affects bg.

[Puppypants]

Cyborg, what effect does protein have on blood sugar? I never knew it had an effect - just goes to show how little I know about this disease!

Coconut spread

[Cyborg]

Originally Posted by Puppypants

Cyborg, what effect does protein have on blood sugar? I never knew it had an effect - just goes to show how little I know about this disease!

Protein affects my bg approximately 75% as much as carbs, but at a much slower rate. I calculate the equivalent carbs, 75% of the protein content for me, and bolus with a 3 hour 30/70 combo bolus (30% up front, 70% evenly spread over the 3 hours). Then I bolus separately for any carb content in the meal using an immediate bolus.

If I were on MDI, I would probably bolus for the 30% part of the equivalent carbs bolus added with the regular carb bolus and then deal with any elevated bg later with a correction bolus.

The 75% value is one that was determined by experimentation and I actually started with a 50% value...

[someone]

Are you sure protein can actually raise your BG on its own?

Diabetes Update: Protein, Fat, and the GI
Protein Controversies in Diabetes

According to those articles, studies have shown that protein causes absolutely no raise in blood glucose in diabetic and non-diabetic patients. You might want to stop giving out this advice or at least find some research supporting it, because you could be causing some people serious lows.

[GhostRydr]

I've found that i love to have Wasa crackers with Laughing Cow low fat cheese as a snack.

[cheryl]

In Cyborgs defense, there is not much of a rise in protien it seems with a type 2, but for me too, it depends on what I am eating honestly i can get away with one or two eggs, I can get away with only 20 grams of protein per meal, any higher I have to do what cyborg does, like if I eat a slew of chicken oh yea, and cashews oh another one, and three eggs big time.....

I see it in my bloodsugars, hey test it out eat about 50 grams of protien in one sitting and seriously you'll probably see a rise 3 hours later for sure, that is only though if your basal is perfectly set and you didn't over bolus.....if your basal is too high you won't see it at all, i didn't see it till i really pumped cause my lantus was too much.....

Cheryl

[Cyborg]

Originally Posted by someone

Are you sure protein can actually raise your BG on its own?

Diabetes Update: Protein, Fat, and the GI
Protein Controversies in Diabetes

According to those articles, studies have shown that protein causes absolutely no raise in blood glucose in diabetic and non-diabetic patients. You might want to stop giving out this advice or at least find some research supporting it, because you could be causing some people serious lows.

I'm no doctor, I am simply relating my experiences based on my bg values. What works for me may not work for you. Someone who has some pancreatic function may not notice the effects of protein. Some have found that protein does not affect them. Others eat a higher carb diet and the insulin for the carbs helps cover the protein.

Based on what I've noticed with my own self and with through research, I am convinced protein does have an affect on bg and I do bolus for it. The 30/70 bolus over 3 hours was suggested to me by someone here on the forum and I've found it works well, for me.

[Gary_W]

Originally Posted by someone

Are you sure protein can actually raise your BG on its own?

Diabetes Update: Protein, Fat, and the GI
Protein Controversies in Diabetes

According to those articles, studies have shown that protein causes absolutely no raise in blood glucose in diabetic and non-diabetic patients. You might want to stop giving out this advice or at least find some research supporting it, because you could be causing some people serious lows.

I know that if I eat a huge steak and a bunch of salad leaves I do need to inject, though it is very slow to raise BG vs carbs in me. It's a lot less predictable than carbs for me. If it's a small amount of protein, no probs. If it is lots, I do need to account for it.

[LancetChick]

Protein is definitely converted to glucose, albeit to a much lesser extent than carbs. The mechanism is very roundabout, hence the long digestion period, and I think most people don't really notice its effect unless they eat a lot of it. I don't need to shoot up for two eggs, but I do for 3 eggs with bacon. Actually, it takes so long to show up that I normally just wait to bolus when I notice my blood sugar rising. Even Regular insulin is too fast for protein digestion in me.

As far as non-carby snacks go, I also like nuts, and walnuts are my absolute favorite. Oddly enough, my nut tins say that a serving has 5g of carb, but I find that no matter how much I eat, I don't need to shoot up. Funny.

[mark-TN]

Originally Posted by someone

Are you sure protein can actually raise your BG on its own?

Diabetes Update: Protein, Fat, and the GI
Protein Controversies in Diabetes

According to those articles, studies have shown that protein causes absolutely no raise in blood glucose in diabetic and non-diabetic patients. You might want to stop giving out this advice or at least find some research supporting it, because you could be causing some people serious lows.

If you read the article in its entirety you will see that Mendoso just quoted one sentence out of the article, which is very misleading. The following quote from the article tells a different story: (my underline)

Plasma insulin changed little after water, but after protein there was a threefold increase in insulin and a 50% increase in plasma glucagon.

Obviously the tests were done on type 2 subjects with adequate insulin response. The article stated the patients were mild T2 diabetics. T1's with little or no remaining beta cells should see that Protein has an influence on pp BG levels, though I'm sure the degree of this influence will vary some what from person to person. As others have stated the rise in BG from protein will happen much slower than the rise from carbohydrate.

The conversion of protein (amino acids) is called gluconeogenesis and is a well know biological process. Without it the human race would have been extinct before it even got started.

Mark

[someone]

Did you read the conclusion of the article?

However, in people with well-controlled diabetes, minimal amounts of hepatic glucose are released into the general circulation after the ingestion of protein.

By the way, gluconeogenesis occurs in contrast to glycolysis. Glycolysis is the well known biological process which begins carbohydrate metabolism. With this I would presume that when you are eating a sufficient amount of carbohydrate, gluconeogenesis is not going to occur. According to wikipedia gluconeogenesis occurs only during periods of fasting, starvation, and intense exercise.