[ShottleBop]

Originally Posted by irishnproud2b

Ok, I'm brand new here, but I'd like to know what you consider "plenty of good food out there" when you gave up all bread, potatoes, rice, etc? I was just put on insulin after 6 years of just pills did not do the trick. I'm struggling. Kathie

Low-Carb Daily Diet Thread. Check it out.

Yesterday:

For breakfast, I had my usual: avocado and a whey protein shake mixed with unsweetened almond oil.

Midmorning snack: a handful of walnuts

For lunch: a Cobb salad, dressed with olive oil.

Midafternoon snacks: almonds, pork rinds (pork rinds are especially good for satisfying the need for crunch, and, if anything, they seem to lower my BGs)

Dinner: stir-fry, made with some leftover Italian sausage, a Louisiana hot sausage, shrimp, almonds, green beans, and broccoli slaw; low-carb homemade pumpkin ice cream (sweetened with stevia, the only carbs come from the unsweetened pumpkin and the minimal no. of carbs in heavy cream).

And welcome to the DF!

[Rob43]

Thanks for the information on food but I would reither be dead because if I cann't enjoy eating what I want life's not worth living. Type two Diabetic's makes bad patients because of a life of eating anything you want and then having to just quit your favorite foods like Cakes and pies.


Rob

[Granny Shanny]

Sorry to hear that, Rob. All I can say now is - I wish you well. I hope you'll see your doc very soon & make some attempt to work out your myriad medical maladies. I still think there's hope, but you have to think so too.

[sridder]

I was diagnosed in April so this is my first "holiday" season with Type 2 diabetes. In my experience, you don't have to quit the things you enjoy - you just have to compromise. For example we have an old family recipe for Pumpkin pie that calls for brown sugar and dr. pepper. It may sound strange but it's absolutely delicious - the only kind of pumpkin pie I'll eat. Anyway, a couple weekends ago I made a test run of the recipe using brown sugar substitute and diet dr. pepper. It was absolutely delicious and didn't adversely affected my BG levels. My family loved it too - they couldn't tell a difference at all. I smiled EVERY time I took a bite of that pie because I was so happy that it tasted so good and wasn't bad for me. I've done the same thing with other favorite recipes throughout the year and plan to do more experimenting as we move into my official "baking" season. I'll still make some old favorites for friends and family but I'll have some "good for me/can't tell the difference/doesn't affect my BG levels" treats so I won't feel deprived.

[sridder]

One other thing I want to say...my middle son (age 16) came up to me randomly a couple weeks ago while I was checking my BG level and said, "Mom, you're a really good diabetic" I asked what he meant and he said he was proud that I monitored my BG levels and modified my diet and did what I do to keep my diabetes in control. I told him it wasn't always easy but I did it, not only for myself, but also for him, his brothers and his dad. I love them and I want to be with them without complications for as long as I can. My son said he was glad because he wanted that too. Rob - If you can't for whatever reason keep going with your treatment for yourself, consider doing it for those around you who love you so much.

[Rob43]

I'm not giving up just yet. This is hard for me because of a past of eating anything I wanted and cann't now.


Thanks, Rob

[DeusXM]

To be honest, Rob, not being able to eat what you used to is just a part of aging. I find I'm much less able to eat junk food than I used to be, simply because I'm older and seem to put weight on more easily now.

[Evermont]

Rob, Have you been checked for periodontal disease? How's your sleep hygiene? Are you stressed? Do you have weight to lose and a plan to lose it?

There are a few knobs and dials that we can tweak beyond just dietary restriction - these things may also help.

[Rob43]

I havn't been able to sleep a full eight hours like did when I was young. I've been having to get up to bathroom every night for last 2 years and I sleep off and on all night. I can sleep better during the day then at night for some reason.


Rob

[Subby]

Rob, I feel like am haunting you, but this is another genuine response....

I can't sleep during the night without good BG control. Being high stresses my body and I will drift in and out for most of the start of the night. WHen my BG is out of whack, I can only sleep when I am completely exhausted in the morning. If high, I am dead to the world, yet I get no quality of sleep.

The toilet, is very much likely due to ketosis from running high constantly.

Everything you are saying is completely typical of suffering the effects of high BGs. This is the wall in front of you, and you keep saying you don't want to take the stairs that some others take. That's fine, and although some tend to infer theirs is the only "true" way, I would say there are many ways around, under or through that wall, but you need to be looking into those possibilities with open eyes.

I think we'd all like to help you to get over this hurdle, which seems to have been going on for some months or even years? You could be feeling much better within a few weeks, and it does not HAVE to be from forgoing all refined carbs, it does not have to mean a strictness that has obviously had you in denial for a long time now and keeping your back turned. But I feel more does need to come from you. At the moment, I am very uncomfortable with the fact this thread is called "Giving up the treatment of Diabetes", every time I see that I think that is still where you feel you really are. If you really do have a spark of wanting to get on top of this, I hope you might consider starting a new thread where we can look at some of the avenues open to you on more even footing.

[Cluck]

Dear Rob

I have read most of this thread and hope I have understood your main points. These seem to be that you want to eat what you like (which you do anyway), but you would like to have better BG numbers. I think you realise that where you are now is not a good place to be.

While I personally try to restrict my carb intake, in theory there is no reason why you can't eat what you want and cover it with insulin if you were on the right insulin protocol.

Right now you are not. Others have suggested that you get your doctor to put you on a basal (Lantus or Levemir) insulin and a bolus (novolog or humalog) insulin. That way you could take the right amount of insulin at meal times to cover what you are eating.

As Subby suggests though, this means more effort would have to come from you: learning to count carbs for one thing so that you can take the right bolus.

I wish you all the best on your journey and I hope that you get the help that you need from your doctors.

[georgepds]

Originally Posted by Cluck

Dear Rob

...in theory there is no reason why you can't eat what you want and cover it with insulin if you were on the right insulin protocol...

This is what I thought.. that once you began treating with insulin it was just a question of injecting the proper amount of fast acting insulin to cover for the carbs eaten.

It's not the best plan (most would probably gain weight) but it does let you eat what you want without the burden of high BG

--G

[Rob43]

I've started to cut out sweets and now eat mainly healthier foods. I love cottage cheese with low sugar peaches. I'm not giving up with living so I keep taking my insulin shots and pills. I've been eating mainly whole grain wheat bread at Subway and have been doing this for years.

I've been having pains where I put my insulin pen in my right lower side of stomach. Can a person uses a place to much when it comes to injections?

Rob

[Grunch]

Yeah, they usually tell you to rotate the place of injections. Injecting always on the same place can cause problems.

[Coppernob]

Originally Posted by Rob43

I've started to cut out sweets and now eat mainly healthier foods. I love cottage cheese with low sugar peaches. I'm not giving up with living so I keep taking my insulin shots and pills. I've been eating mainly whole grain wheat bread at Subway and have doing this for years.

I've been having pains where I put my insulin pen in my right lower side of stomach. Can a person uses a place on them to much when it comes to injections? Rob

In answer to your question, yes, you should move the location of your shots around. I used to give my shots all over my abdomen and stomach area, then sometimes I'd use my arm or leg too. Now I am on a pump, I have to move the infusion set placement around but that is only every three days.
Good luck, Rob - it sounds as if you are feeling a bit more positive now and have made some good choices. Good for you.