[JadeMonkey]

I've done a bit of strength training and lifting but have been out of it since the middle of last year and need to get back into it. Trying to do things the "right" way and just beginning my real education on the subject.

I have found that having a protein shake right after my workout helps reduce how sore I get in the following days. (I am always fine the day after lifting, it's the day after that when I get really sore). I'm not sure if an equal amount of non-powdered protein would have the same effect but I'm sure it probably would.

I'm looking forward to learning from you guys, any suggestions or tips are much appreciated. Any good forums out there for guys that want to get bigger/leaner but not necessarily pro level? I'm checking out the sites that Scratch listed now; pretty sure he meant stronglifts .com

-Jade

[Sugarhead]

yes I have read about the non-diabetics using insulin to help with muscle growth. I am not necessarily looking for a short cut (althought that would be great) but to be efficient with the taking of insulin. I have to take it anyways why not make it as efficient as possible? I do take a protein shake after lifting with a small amount of carb. Also, I have taken half a recovery type drink (protein and Carb) before with a little insulin. Since my lifting takes about 40 min it should be working at the time I am entering the recovery stage. After lifting I take the rest. I find it works pretty well and my sugars are stable. I do a BG test half way through my workout and adjust slightly for different types of training. For example I take less insulin when doing legs and more when doing arms/abs. Those legs just suck up the sugar in the blood stream.

[sedita]

If you haven't already read it, a great book is: Starting Strength by Mark Rippetoe.

I have been an off and on lifter. Currently trying to get my cardiovascular fitness back and once I have base with that then I will be jumping back into the lifting.

[pumper]

Originally Posted by JadeMonkey

I'm looking forward to learning from you guys, any suggestions or tips are much appreciated. Any good forums out there for guys that want to get bigger/leaner but not necessarily pro level? I'm checking out the sites that Scratch listed now; pretty sure he meant stronglifts .com

-Jade

Dude, in terms of other forums, I read:
A Thread for people with Type I Diabetes (Insulin-dependent) Only - Bodybuilding.com Forums
Any body builders out there?? - Diabetes Forum
diabetes and bodybuilding - Diabetes Forum

All of these sites have alot of great people who know alot about diabetes and bodybuilding. I post to these sites using a similar screen name to here.

I've never checked out Stronglifts.com-will have to...

[pumper]

Originally Posted by Sugarhead

I am not necessarily looking for a short cut (althought that would be great) but to be efficient with the taking of insulin. I have to take it anyways why not make it as efficient as possible?

My feelings exactly...

Originally Posted by Sugarhead

I take less insulin when doing legs and more when doing arms/abs. Those legs just suck up the sugar in the blood stream.

I'm just getting back into bodybuilding myself plus I'm a new pumper so really, I'm getting used to workingout with a pump. But, your comment on needing less insulin for leg workouts and more for arm/abs workouts makes sense. Thinking back on it, i think that my past blood sugars on leg vs arm days suggest that the same applies to me. I've just never made this correlation before. But, considering that legs are huge muscle groups and that arms are small muscle groups (no matter how much we want large biceps), this makes sense.

[Scratch]

Originally Posted by kstreeter513

So I guess what I am wondering is: What is best for a diabetic to eat following intense exercise. And how can I take advantage of that short window of opportunity to refeed my muscles following a workout?

I ended up performing an unplanned experiment yesterday. The day had been going well up until 2 PM when I checked my blood sugar after lunch and realized that I had forgotten my bolus injection. Prior to that, all my previous tests had been under 100 mg/dl and bam -- 354 mg/dl. Oy. I guess that's why I had been feeling progressively more sluggish while I had been working on a project at work.

So I grabbed my flexpen and lined up for a spot where there isn't much fat over my left tricep, although I imagine one could also go after the deltoid even easier where there's less fat generally on people. But I drove the needle straight in to where I felt it enter the tricep muscle and then gave my lunch bolus.

So far so good. I then did a set of tabata intervals with the left arm, fanning it in a windmill action hard for 20 seconds, resting for 10 seconds, and so on until 4 minutes of that was done. 1.5 hours later my blood sugar was down to 110 mg/dl and based upon subsequent testing, I think I got all the Novolog from that injection used up in around 2.5 hours.

So that might be a way for person who wants to achieve a more rapid uptake of insulin to do it. As always, the usual cautions are provided, that we all have individual variance so your results might vary, always do such experiments on the self with necessary supplies in waiting in case of unanticipated consequences, etc.

[1type2go]

POTATOS!!!kstreeter513
with muscles like a sponge 50gs of carbs add a can of drained salmon and a bit of low fat cheese Ya got 30 to 35g of protein ........an hour of weightlifting you can count on cutting back on your shot (for me I'm a no rest lifter I'd cut it in half )unless your going ta eat for it ...Thats My Choice!.
Keep the heart rate up at least over 100bpm ,bring it up with 5 or 10min of cardio Target Heart Rate Calculator

Don't forget to take a box of raisins and juice besides your water and


well I could go on ......

Donovan

[kstreeter513]

Originally Posted by Scratch

I ended up performing an unplanned experiment yesterday. The day had been going well up until 2 PM when I checked my blood sugar after lunch and realized that I had forgotten my bolus injection. Prior to that, all my previous tests had been under 100 mg/dl and bam -- 354 mg/dl. Oy. I guess that's why I had been feeling progressively more sluggish while I had been working on a project at work.

So I grabbed my flexpen and lined up for a spot where there isn't much fat over my left tricep, although I imagine one could also go after the deltoid even easier where there's less fat generally on people. But I drove the needle straight in to where I felt it enter the tricep muscle and then gave my lunch bolus.

So far so good. I then did a set of tabata intervals with the left arm, fanning it in a windmill action hard for 20 seconds, resting for 10 seconds, and so on until 4 minutes of that was done. 1.5 hours later my blood sugar was down to 110 mg/dl and based upon subsequent testing, I think I got all the Novolog from that injection used up in around 2.5 hours.

So that might be a way for person who wants to achieve a more rapid uptake of insulin to do it. As always, the usual cautions are provided, that we all have individual variance so your results might vary, always do such experiments on the self with necessary supplies in waiting in case of unanticipated consequences, etc.

Thats very interesting. I have thought about giving an injection into my muscle before, but I ended up being afraid of going hypo too quickly. Maybe I will try that experiment on my own to see if it works for me.

[1type2go]

Juts a word of opinion
when you chk the sites ....these are not diabetics.
Build Muscle & Lose Fat through Strength Training | StrongLifts.com
this is a great site!! I wouldn't have found it on my own THANX
5x5 for beginner .......I'd be flat on the floor, I think
I do believe in whole body in the beginning, make sure you've got long burn carbs (low GI )on board ,take a box of raisins and a juice besides your liter of water , start with legs to get your protein synth. going.
Start with lighter weights as much as you can for 8-10 ,slower reps with concentration,if you can't do slow it may be too much weight ,.....mabey for three sets ,this is for strength not mass but you need strength first before injury

Soon you'll find you could do more than 8-10 reps ...Time to increase the weight so you cant do more than 10reps!! last rep
I my self, work opposing muscle groups pec/traps, bi's/tri's, that sort of thing

If you think about what you're doing ...yur gonna feel it the next day or day after

[pumper]

Originally Posted by Scratch

So I grabbed my flexpen and lined up for a spot where there isn't much fat over my left tricep, although I imagine one could also go after the deltoid even easier where there's less fat generally on people. But I drove the needle straight in to where I felt it enter the tricep muscle and then gave my lunch bolus.

So far so good. I then did a set of tabata intervals with the left arm, fanning it in a windmill action hard for 20 seconds, resting for 10 seconds, and so on until 4 minutes of that was done. 1.5 hours later my blood sugar was down to 110 mg/dl and based upon subsequent testing, I think I got all the Novolog from that injection used up in around 2.5 hours.

So that might be a way for person who wants to achieve a more rapid uptake of insulin to do it. As always, the usual cautions are provided, that we all have individual variance so your results might vary, always do such experiments on the self with necessary supplies in waiting in case of unanticipated consequences, etc.

Yes, injecting insulin into (or near) a muscle that you are going to vigorously use will always speed up its absorption (ie injecting into the legs and going for a run will make that insulin start working faster).

[pumper]

Originally Posted by 1type2go

(for me I'm a no rest lifter)

Donovan,
Great advice dude!!!

I'm terrible at NOT being a "no rest lifter." I tend to rest way too much. Usually, by the time I get around to lifting, its the end of the day and I'm tired (and not always in the mood to lift by then). So, I end up resting way too long between sets - and I know that that hurts my workouts.

By the way, do you consider yourself a weightlifter, fitness lifter or bodybuilder? I guess that it depends on your goals.

I tend to do arms and shoulders at home (since I have a "small" home gym) and chest, back and legs at the gym. My problem, right now, is that I'm in a relatively busy time in my career and life. So, lately, I've been having a hard time scheduling in workouts. I've been getting in an average of one arm workout a week (at home) instead of at least two and haven't made it to the gym for a leg workout in a while...I find it frustrating, but right now it just seems like i'm facing one work deadline after the other and simply post-poning my workouts till "tomorrow." You're a family guy, how do you schdule it all in?

[RyanN]

Any advice for me?

I am a REALLY active man in his mid-thirties.
I walk about 6kms in my daily city routine.
I train in martial arts and love to bicycle.
I also lift weights.

My problem is that I stay at the same weight
(165-170). I'll gain muscle, but then my body takes it from
fat in some other part of my body; so I get more grizzly looking as opposed to more puffy and presentable.

I eat a lot and keep the BG at an okay level (upper 100's,
lower 200's prior to physical activity), but I can't figure out where I can find room in my insulin regimen to eat more.
I tried eating several small meals during the day instead of 3 biggies, but my Humalog bolus' kept overlapping (even after 3 1/2 hours between meals) so I abandoned that.

Lately, I've been adding a hard-boiled egg to my lunch and dinner, but I know I need more.

My situation is funny, because I actually want to get fatter.

Any ideas how to do this without making the BG crazy or
eating a tub of artery-clogging lard?

[1type2go]

My situation is funny, because I actually want to get fatter.

Any ideas how to do this without making the BG crazy or
eating a tub of artery-clogging lard?
__________________
Well put ..........

clean carbs ..lots :after working hard ,be it walking or anything at home after exercises ,good fat and cut out your cardio other than your walking (commuting).Look into glutamine,this is a poss.It prevents you from breaking down protein in,when working to hard or to long with out antiquate carb fuel,EAT MORE . Muscle saver for some hospital Burn units

got ta run Donovan

[1type2go]

Check this out for info on protein powders

Protein Amino Acids Information

[RyanN]

Hey, thanks again for the geat info.
I figured out how to count my carbs,
and I found out I need about 380-400 grams
per day just to suport my very active lifestyle;
I've been only eating around 280-300 grams--and
duh! I wonder why I stay at he same weight or lose it
easily during over-active times (those weeks where
the sun just won't stop shining and everyday is a great day to
go mountain biking, and swimming, and walking and . . .).
So I am now figuring how to put those into my diet
with the requisite amounts of insulin to help get all that energy into my cells. I love eating, and eating healthy foods,
so I am a happy camper now

Thanks again to everyone on this GREAT forum.