[mikeb]

I have been a Type I since 09/2004. Started seriously lifting a year ago at 148 lbs. I am now 218 lbs @ 11%BF. I work with a trainer 5 days a week. My question is this...Does being a Diabetic on a pump have alot to do with the rapid developement or is it genetics??

[pumper]

Originally Posted by mikeb

I have been a Type I since 09/2004. Started seriously lifting a year ago at 148 lbs. I am now 218 lbs @ 11%BF. I work with a trainer 5 days a week. My question is this...Does being a Diabetic on a pump have alot to do with the rapid developement or is it genetics??

Wow- you went from 148 to 218 in a year? You say that you've been seriously lifting with a trainer 5 days a week - so obviously your commitment has helped. So, I think that your awesome progress is probably due to 1-commitment, 2-being a diabetic on a pump (insulin is one of the most anabolic hormones out there) and 3-great genetics.

Welcome to the forum - hope that you'll stick around and tell us all how you've done this...

Impressive.

[pumper]

Originally Posted by andrews730

... a post-workout shake to get me some good carbs in it. I will do my insulin to cover it and will try putting it in my triceps maybe just because they will be pumped from working them. I know someone said to inject in the muscle but others disagree and I don't know so I figured I would try it for myself for a little while cause I dont believe it could hurt me to try. And also since I am on a scale of about 1 - 10 or around there for my humalog, say if I have 60 carbs in my shake including my milk and oatmeal, if I should do 60 units of humalog or a little more? I know the 60 would take care of what I eat but does anyone have info if I should inject more in me to maybe shoot me a little low or is that stupid? haha...remember I'm trying to get bigger so just lemme know anything if you can thanks

The only thing about injecting into the muscle is that the insulin will work fast - you won't be taking better advantage of the growth stimulation of the insulin by injecting it there.

Your other question isn't stupid.
You are on a scale of 1 to 10, and taking in 60 g of carbs - so you would normally take 6 U of humalog. So after a workout, you are insulin sensitive, so take maybe 5 U of humalog - just a little bit less because that insulin will be working super hard right after a workout.

But, you are on the right path. Alot of diabetic bodybuilders, myself included, make certain that they eat some carbs right after lifting so that they can take insulin (I'm on a pump) and take advantage of its huge muscle building hormonal qualities.

Ask if how to do this doesn't make sense.

[BlueSky]

Originally Posted by andrews730

... I know someone said to inject in the muscle but others disagree and I don't know so I figured I would try it for myself for a little while cause I dont believe it could hurt me to try. And also since I am on a scale of about 1 - 10 or around there for my humalog, say if I have 60 carbs in my shake including my milk and oatmeal, if I should do 60 units of humalog or a little more? I know the 60 would take care of what I eat but does anyone have info if I should inject more in me to maybe shoot me a little low or is that stupid? haha...remember I'm trying to get bigger so just lemme know anything if you can thanks

Be aware that if you inject insulin into muscle, it will act a lot quicker. I find that doing this reduces the action time by about 50%. If the muscle has been worked, expect to see even faster action. So be careful. Injecting large amounts of insulin into muscle after a workout could cause a severe hypo.

As far as the amount of insulin you should inject is concerned, it should only be as much as is required to cover the carbs you are going to eat. Injecting more insulin will make you go low. If you want to inject more insulin for the anabolic effects, make sure you eat enough carb.

[BrianSCohen]

Originally Posted by mikeb

I have been a Type I since 09/2004. Started seriously lifting a year ago at 148 lbs. I am now 218 lbs @ 11%BF. I work with a trainer 5 days a week. My question is this...Does being a Diabetic on a pump have alot to do with the rapid developement or is it genetics??

50 pounds in a year, that is awesome!

Genetics probably helped, but of course insulin probably had a role

Do you know what the most important anabolic hormone is?

That is right, insulin. Insulin has been used by bodybuilders for years and given that it is legal over the counter without a prescription in most states, it is easy to get.

For a good description, read the book (Amazon.com: Nutrient Timing: The Future of Sports Nutrition: John Ivy, Robert Portman: Books). The authors recommend that you eat carbs after weight trainnig to get a boost of natural insulin. The insulin not only enables uptake of glucose to replenish glycogen stores, but also enables protein uptake into your muscles to accelerate recovery.

You don't get big and strong from lifting weights, you get big and strong recovering from lifting weights.

I am suggesing that any abuse insulin as an analbolic bodybuilding agent, I'm just saying.

[mikeb]

My trainer is Peter Birchfield, Mr. New Zealand 2001...He has really been a big part of what i have accomplished. Keeping me on a strict diet has played huge as well. He tells me all the time that i am a freak of nature...it would take a normal person multiple years to make the gains i have made. We have been accused of "juicin" quite a few times...but that is not nor will ever be the case with me. I would not do that to my body or subject my family to that kind of abuse.Pete says just let em think what they want...they are just jealous.

[pumper]

Originally Posted by mikeb

My trainer is Peter Birchfield, Mr. New Zealand 2001...He has really been a big part of what i have accomplished. Keeping me on a strict diet has played huge as well. He tells me all the time that i am a freak of nature...it would take a normal person multiple years to make the gains i have made. We have been accused of "juicin" quite a few times...but that is not nor will ever be the case with me. I would not do that to my body or subject my family to that kind of abuse.Pete says just let em think what they want...they are just jealous.

Wow-yes, I am jealous... both about your progress and about who your trainer is... Take full advantage of both.

Talking about "juicin"... are you on any (legal) supplements? creatine perhaps?

[mikeb]

No just protien shakes and STRICT protien and fiber diet...nothing else...i have asked Pete about possibly taking something for enhancing...his reply is why?? You are still growing and gaining, so don't bother with those thoughts until i stop growing.

[djcdc]

Hey guys, I was google searching and came across this forum.
I was diagnosed 2 years ago and now Im just now coming out of denial. I have changed a lot of stuff, I joined a gym thats just down the road and its 24hrs.. I am using a very lo-carb protein powder. I looked into this for 2 reasons: 1. I need a source of protein as well as other stuff like calcium and other minerals and vitamins. this shake gives me all I need. 2. It can server as mean replacement if necessary. I just started doing this 2 weeks ago. It does definitely improve the sugar levels. the protein shake doesnt spike my sugar. LAst night it did for the first time, but thats because I added some chocolate syrup for better taste. so it was a little higher this morning. Anyway sorry to ramble, I just wanted to give my 2 cents on powders.

[pumper]

Any one here ever tried an ECA stack?

Did it work and did it have any effects on your blood sugar?

[RikBrooks]

I used an ECA stack years ago. It was very effective. That was before I was diagnosed though so I don't know the effect on blood sugar.

I do know that it's very hard to find a reliable source of ephedrine though - even though I heard that it has been 're-legalized'

[BrianSCohen]

Originally Posted by RikBrooks

I used an ECA stack years ago. It was very effective. That was before I was diagnosed though so I don't know the effect on blood sugar.

I do know that it's very hard to find a reliable source of ephedrine though - even though I heard that it has been 're-legalized'

I have not used an ECA stack. My previous experience with Hydroxycut was that it elevated my blood pressure. Ephidrine and PseudoEphedrine both have cautions that they may elevate blood glucose, you will just have to see. They are not illegal, attempts to outlaw them have been thwarted in the courts. Instead the government has employed an alternate strategy, making stores keep them behind the counter and having reporting requirements. You also can't buy unlimited quantities. Sudafed contains PseudoEphedrine is still available widely and can be obtained in modest quantities at most pharmacies.

If you really want more info on ECA stacks, I would check out TESTOSTERONE NATION | The World's Fastest Growing Nation of Bodybuilding and Strength Training Enthusiasts

[Sugarhead]

Guys - its been a while since I have been here. I complete the three months of P90X and gained 5.5lbs of muscle and lost only 1lb of fat. Then took the summer off. I am at 18.5% fat and would like to get to 15% or lower. I was really interested in the post of 50lb of muscle growth in a year. Wow.

I think I need a very, very clean diet , lots of reps on the weights and controled carbs to get rid of the fat, anyother advice would be helpful.

[pumper]

Originally Posted by Sugarhead

Guys - its been a while since I have been here. I complete the three months of P90X and gained 5.5lbs of muscle and lost only 1lb of fat. Then took the summer off. I am at 18.5% fat and would like to get to 15% or lower. I was really interested in the post of 50lb of muscle growth in a year. Wow.

I think I need a very, very clean diet , lots of reps on the weights and controled carbs to get rid of the fat, anyother advice would be helpful.

5.5 lbs of muscle in 3 months is excellent.

I'd say yes, a very clean diet - preferably low carb, with lots of cardio AND lots of weight lifting.

[Sugarhead]

pumper - can you suggest a few sites on low carb meals? I am assuming it would be 5 or 6 per day. That is what I am doing now