[pumper]

Originally Posted by Sugarhead

pumper - can you suggest a few sites on low carb meals? I am assuming it would be 5 or 6 per day. That is what I am doing now

Not certain that I can suggest anything really useful in terms of web sites. I try to keep my carbs to less than 100 g on non-training days. However, on lifting days, I tend to have a huge carb meal immediately after lifting. This huge carb meal needs lots of insulin - and that huge amount of insulin become anabolic. This is a little bit like non-diabetic bodybuilders injecting insulin for its huge anabolic properties. But like that, you end up with low carb days and higher carb days - which I think is better than being low carb every day.

These are the only web sites that I can think of for now.

Low Carb Muscle Forum - LowCarbMuscle.com - Powered by vBulletin

How to Maintain Strength While Losing Weight - Bodybuilding.com Forums

and look in:

A Thread for people with Type I Diabetes (Insulin-dependent) Only - Page 7 - Bodybuilding.com Forums

Hope that these help
Mike

[olylifter]

Hi,

I've been competing in olympic weightlifting for 5 years, at 69 K. I am still figuring out the best way to balance diabetes, proper nutrition and hard training. I've just found this thread, and I haven't looked through it all, but I'll try to post when I can.

I'm thinking about trying continuous glucose sensing and/or an isulin pump. Do any of you know if your governing bodies (mine us USA weightlifting) allow devices during competition? I expect I may need to get special permission. Does anyone have experience with this?

Thanks a bunch!

Kate Page
69 K
Type 1

[pumper]

Originally Posted by olylifter

I'm thinking about trying continuous glucose sensing and/or an isulin pump. Do any of you know if your governing bodies (mine us USA weightlifting) allow devices during competition? I expect I may need to get special permission. Does anyone have experience with this?

I don't have experience with this particular issue.

However, I have been on an insulin pump with continuous glucose monitoring since December and it has completely changed my life. So, go for it. Also, don't forget, that you can lift with the pump and sensor on - I lift 3-4 time a week - though it is not olympic-style lifting. You can always take out the sensor and pump for competitions (you can take the pump out for about 1 hr without too many problems).

[Gladiador]

Hello everyone

I am not a professional bodybuilder, but I do weights at home for recreational reasons. I am farmiliar with some things, but yet, some questions remain unanswered.
I would hoghly appreciate if someone can provide a concrete answer on this one: When PWM is concerned, does taking complex carbo has the same effect for building musculature as those with high GI? People are talking and assuming, but I didn't manage to find any info with scientifically confirmed informations or heard it from some professionals with experience. After training, I take some 30g of whey and some 60g of carbs (whey+300ml orange juice+30g oat flakes+100g banana)...I am doing some experiments on myself, I will try different combination after this one....lowing the amount of carbs maybe, or do I need them more, (I have to find out of course)
Also, I am affraid to cut the carbs very much i.e. because of HYPO. But, I've started to do it very slowly, and added more proteins into my diet.


25 years old, I am on insulin pump for 2,5 years now. My goal is to somehow cut fat and divert it into muscles. My actual goal is to have a good definition. I will post my exact proportions soon, but in breef, some 80kg, 176cm height, waste 91,5cm, breasts 105cm. Not sure about fats, but some 22-23%.

Any suggestions are welcome. Considering carbs and proteins, it is very simple actually, but not for a diabetic...

Thank you in advance for answers.

[BrianSCohen]

Gladiador,

Welcome to the forum. My bet is that english is not your first language. Don't worry, people are very helpful here. Post workout nutrition is important. A good book on the subject is Nutrient Timing: The Future of ... - Google Book Search. You may need to make some minor modifications, but the upshot is that a mix of 30-50g protein and something like 50g of carbs is recommeded for post workout nutrition. If you are going low carb, you can reduce the carbs, but they still have a role in helping you recover.

[BlueSky]

Originally Posted by Gladiador

... When PWM is concerned, does taking complex carbo has the same effect for building musculature as those with high GI? ....

To answer this question, we need to consider the role of post workout carbs. One reason for them is to replenish glycogen reserves, but more importantly, consuming carbs after a workout increases insulin levels (either injected or or naturally produced). Insulin, the anabolic hormone, is used in the uptake of amino acids used to maintain and build muscle. It is all explained in that book Brian linked to.

You have a 30-60 minute window of opportunity after the workout, during which muscle is repaired and built. As you are using a pump to supply the insulin, your focus needs to be on supplying that insulin at the beginning of the recovery period after your workout, and then consuming the right carbs to keep your blood glucose in the target range. Whether they are high or low GI is incidental. Orange juice would raise my blood sugar too quickly, but if it works for you, great.

[LittleMaxi]

This will be my first post, so I would like to start by saying Hello to everyone...
I was just diagnosed with Type 2 about a month and a half ago, so this is all very new to me. As well as confusing. I really thought that I had a good grasp on nutrition, I have been around weight lifting and nutrition for a large part of my life, my brother in-law is a Pro Bodybuilder, my wife looks like a bodybuilder, Myself and two of my cousins have won and placed in Powerlifting meets, so I'm not really green on the concept of nutrition. But this is all a little overwhelming.
I truly believe that I know what are the proper amount of Protien, Fats and Carbs to intake, I'm mostly scared of carbs and sugar right now, I read earlier in the thread that some of you think that protien powders were not useful, I have to give BlueSky a pat on the back, with his input on the subject, I personally think that more diabetics should be using them post workout or between meals, It's just my opinion, but I really can't find another source that is as nutritionally dense as a low carb protien shake.
Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong, because like I said, I'm new to this and it's quite a learning process.
Thanks in advance for any info !!

[Gladiador]

Thank you Brian and BlueSky for your answers.

Yes, English is not my first language. I am reading my previous post and laughing a little because of some grammatical errors (I've posted a bit rashly) . Anyway, my English is quite good.

To get back to the topic...I believe the best thing for PWM for me would somehow be whey+complex carbs. On the other hand, depending on blood glucose level and actual feeling, some high GI carbs are always welcome in limited amounts, just to get you back into that normal condition (no matter if it's during your workout or afterwards). I am telling this because I am active in both aerobic and anaerobic training. When aerobic training is concerned, you can never actually know how much exhausted and burnt up you'll be at the end. The most important thing is to keep that blood glucose always in the target range.

Thanks once again guys, you've helped a lot.

...considering 100% orange juice, well, just an experiment. The feeling: refreshing, but I've felt I need some more rigid nutrients mixed inside that shake.

[BrianSCohen]

Gladiador,

As Bluesky noted, this book recommends you target the window right after workout. This means you should select a simple carb. You do need to moderate how much, as a diabetic, you can't just suck down a quart of orange juice. I often have a dramatic rise in blood sugar from weight training, I really don't need many carbs, just enough to make sure I have some sort of insulin surge. I don't want to drive my blood sugar over 200 mg/dl. You should test your self to guage how many carbs to take.

[BrianSCohen]

Originally Posted by LittleMaxi

..., I personally think that more diabetics should be using them post workout or between meals, It's just my opinion, but I really can't find another source that is as nutritionally dense as a low carb protien shake.
Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong, because like I said, I'm new to this and it's quite a learning process.
Thanks in advance for any info !!

LittleMax,

Welcome to the forums. I am pleased to see you are form NH. I used to live in NH, on Mt Cardigan, just outside Canaan. My wife is from the Ashland/New Hampton area and we still have a lot of family up there.

I think you are right on with your comments. Most nutrition advice suggests protein levels that minimally sustain life. Not exactly how I want to go through the day. I try to take in at least 1g/lb of bodyweight, which means about 200 g/day. It can be difficult reaching this and protein shakes really help. I get mine at costco, 6lbs for $40. They are the low carb variety. I start off the day with a shake and then have then as snacks during the day when I can fit them in.

[maya0606]

Hi Pumper,

I have been diabetic since I was 10 and now I am 22!! I tried losing weight right now i am 5'2-3 128lbs to 130lbs and i would love to be on 125- 1220lbs, i now learned that insuline does make you gain weight, I have a friend of mine whos a body builder and he was telling me about a friend of his who just got out of a SERIOUS coma because he was using insulin( his not diabetic) so he could eat more cause we all know that insuline does get you hungry... but anyway this guy put about 10 units and he knew dinner was coming soon about 10 mins but the dinner was getting delayed and delayedand ofcourse his body reacted to the insulin and started shaking!!! but my point about all this is if this is true!! this is what my meal plan is and you tell me if this is good.

Breakfast:
3 eggs (210 Calories)

AM Snack:
Plane Yogurt ( 70 calories, 10 Carbs)
Unsalted Sunflowers (40g) (250calories, 4g fiber, 9g Carbs)

Lunch:
Multigrain Sandwich with Chicken breast or Turkey, Roast beef ( 3g Fiber, 210 Calorie, 19 Carbs)

PM Snack:
Unsalted Almonds (40g) (3g fiber, 9g carbs, 300 calories)

Dinner:

steamed veggies ( Broccoli, zouckini, red pepper, Green pepper) (100 calories? 15 carbs? how much in Fiber?)
grilled Chicken ( 200 calories)

After dinner I usually go for a cardio for 30 min I eat a fruit or a granola bar of 100 calories before work out or else my sugar goes down.
My questions are:

Are my meals good enough with calories intake and carbs to keep my weight in a good shape and be able to do my work out without being soo tired and is 30 min enough a day or should i go for 45 min cardio?

Thank you.

[Sugarhead]

Originally Posted by BrianSCohen

Gladiador,

As Bluesky noted, this book recommends you target the window right after workout. This means you should select a simple carb. You do need to moderate how much, as a diabetic, you can't just suck down a quart of orange juice. I often have a dramatic rise in blood sugar from weight training, I really don't need many carbs, just enough to make sure I have some sort of insulin surge. I don't want to drive my blood sugar over 200 mg/dl. You should test your self to guage how many carbs to take.

I was wondering about this recently. Bodybuilders who abuse insulin take it before excersise with carb and protien. As a diabetic would it not be better to do something like this

- assume you will be taking 80g of carb + protien. Assume the ratio of carb to insulin is 10g carb to one unit of insulin, assume this is for a pump user.

1. take 4 units of insulin now with another 4 units delivered over 1.5 hours.
2. wait 15-30 min.
3. drink carb protien drink (80g carb +25g protien)
4. do work out with weights for one hour, but test after 30 min.
5. finish workout and test again and test a third time after 2 hours.
6. drink lots of water

I think this will help with the best gains. Its kind of risky but if you test a lot it should be OK I would think.

Maybe its to risky.

[neo]

i love what insulin does for my body
pumping iron is the best thing i have
done since i got dx type 2 in dec 2006
after the honey moon was over i ended
up being fully dependent on insulin.i also
kayak a lot and hikie and cycle.i larned a lot
about nutrition and the dynamics of insulin
from my buddies on a body building forum
unfortunately a lot of body builder abuse
"slin" as they call it.pumping iron rocks neo


Diabetes Forums

[pumper]

Originally Posted by maya0606

Hi Pumper,

I have been diabetic since I was 10 and now I am 22!! I tried losing weight right now i am 5'2-3 128lbs to 130lbs and i would love to be on 125- 1220lbs, i now learned that insuline does make you gain weight, I have a friend of mine whos a body builder and he was telling me about a friend of his who just got out of a SERIOUS coma because he was using insulin( his not diabetic) so he could eat more cause we all know that insuline does get you hungry... but anyway this guy put about 10 units and he knew dinner was coming soon about 10 mins but the dinner was getting delayed and delayedand ofcourse his body reacted to the insulin and started shaking!!! but my point about all this is if this is true!! this is what my meal plan is and you tell me if this is good.

Breakfast:
3 eggs (210 Calories)

AM Snack:
Plane Yogurt ( 70 calories, 10 Carbs)
Unsalted Sunflowers (40g) (250calories, 4g fiber, 9g Carbs)

Lunch:
Multigrain Sandwich with Chicken breast or Turkey, Roast beef ( 3g Fiber, 210 Calorie, 19 Carbs)

PM Snack:
Unsalted Almonds (40g) (3g fiber, 9g carbs, 300 calories)

Dinner:

steamed veggies ( Broccoli, zouckini, red pepper, Green pepper) (100 calories? 15 carbs? how much in Fiber?)
grilled Chicken ( 200 calories)

After dinner I usually go for a cardio for 30 min I eat a fruit or a granola bar of 100 calories before work out or else my sugar goes down.
My questions are:

Are my meals good enough with calories intake and carbs to keep my weight in a good shape and be able to do my work out without being soo tired and is 30 min enough a day or should i go for 45 min cardio?

Thank you.

I really feel that I'm not in a position to give you that sort of advice. But, look at your meals, you seem to be very low on the carbs. While carbs can cause weight gain, you still need them - maybe that's why you are tired?

[neo]

Originally Posted by pumper

I really feel that I'm not in a position to give you that sort of advice. But, look at your meals, you seem to be very low on the carbs. While carbs can cause weight gain, you still need them - maybe that's why you are tired?

thats why i carb up on creatine fruit punch and sip on power aid when i pump iron,no carbs no energy.no carbs my blood glucose goes to low during workout neo