Possible Type 3?

[KickStart101]

:questionm That was the statement on the CTV news channel
last night although I didn't see printed in this article.

www.ctv.ca

In the Top Stories Section....click the 5th red arrow or the blue
Diabetes headline.

[JediSkipdogg]

I've heard about that and I'm not sure if they will make it a type 3 or not. I even debated that a while back on here with someone. The problem is type 1.5 is still only accepted about 75% nationally and some doctors haven't ever heard of it. I think making it "Type 3" would be a dumb idea as I personally think they need to get rid of the type ideas. When one has canser, do they have type 1 or 2 cancer? No, they have it named specifically for what causes it. So that's my thoughts on how they should name diabetes or but how one is treating it...just call me an insulin-dependent diabetic and I'll be fine.

[4519]

Just for the sake of describing a disease, and that is all we are doing, giving each different type a different title saves so much time. Lets say that we call all of us diabetic and add the treatment we are using to treat it added on. That would complicate things so much - we would have to ask each person so many questions just to get down to what saying type 1 or type 2. At any one particular time in the treatment of each disease you can give a completely different discription of the treatment. A type 1 may be in the honeymoon period and not insulin dependant yet, That description might be I am a diabetic treating only with diet and exercise. That would be a true enough discription at that moment. The types works out very well, simple. They have already discussed the possiblility of a type 3 a while ago when they found some link between Alzheimer's Disease and diabetes. I know it has been said in threads here a while ago how diabetes is diabetes and that is it - well, that is as accurate as saying that cancer is cancer that that is it. Simply put, not true.

Why does this matter - it doesn't. 1.5 is only in the minds of those that want to use that number. I am fine with it because it describes a lot without having to explain so much.

As far as doctors not even knowing about type 1.5, well, that is an entire subject. They, as a profession, are so over-rated and out of the loop. Sure, someone will come back and say "My doctor is so smart." So what. My doctor is too. We are lucky aren't we to find one that knows anything about diabetes. Actually my doctor doesn't really know that much about diabetes, but he is smart. Their lack of knowledge is only exceeded by their lack of concern. Our society has selected the wrong profession to treat diabetes - they have their part - someone has to sign the prescriptions, they can do that right sometimes.

One more part of a useless rant on a subject that does not matter in the first place - being a type 1 that is insulin dependant your treatment is different than a type 2 that is insulin dependant. Completely different situation with similar names and similar methods of treatment. But different enough to be called something different.

[middnite03]

they have been calling something else type 3 for a couple of years right now.. it is linked with Alzheimer's.
here are a few pages... so if they want to renumber 1.5 then they bette pick type 4, cause type 3 is already taken for over a year now :)

http://diabetes.about.com/b/a/159980.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4315609.stm

http://www.rense.com/general63/studysuggesttype3.htm

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=20838

and...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177238,00.html

[JediSkipdogg]

Now for the question...who says what type what is? And makes that type the standard? I asked this once before but would like to ask it again.

I can find sources that say type 1.5 is the Alzheimer one, I can find info that says type 3 is alzheimer, yet I can also find info that says that is type 4 and that type 3 is what many consider type 1.5. So, who says when a type becomes official and more recognized?

[butterflykisses]

Wow, this is interesting. I hadn't heard about this before. A lot of people who have family members with diabetes call themselves type 3's. THAT could get confusing! The numbers placed on Type 1 and 2 were to reduce the confusion! To further complicate things, a type 1 can have insulin resistance like a type 2, a type 2 can develop type 1, so now there's double diabetes. But even with all the different "types" out there, 1.5, 3, they're not officially named, only dubbed these names by those who "discovered" them. What I really found interesting about the "type 3" and alzheimer's is the brain producing insulin!

[JasonSmithMT]

Now for the question...who says what type what is? And makes that type the standard? I asked this once before but would like to ask it again.

I can find sources that say type 1.5 is the Alzheimer one, I can find info that says type 3 is alzheimer, yet I can also find info that says that is type 4 and that type 3 is what many consider type 1.5. So, who says when a type becomes official and more recognized?

WHO and ADA are the most commonly followed diabetes classification scheme sand those two are fairly well in agreement. They put together expert committees who fight out the details. Another big player in classification is if it appears in the International Classification of Diseases codes (ICD codes). Most schemes are in agreement that we have type 1, type 2, GDM, and a miscellaneous group called secondary diabetes (sometimes called other types, or specific types).

Most current schemes are getting away from treatment and age related classification schemes. Instead they are classified according to etiology (cause) and pathophysiology (disease process). Saying you are an insulin dependant diabetic (i.e. treatment based classification) isn’t really useful to the medical community other than the obvious fact you use insulin. Many type 2, GDM, and secondary diabetes patients are dependant on insulin. What is more useful to clinicians is to think in terms of the pathophysiology that is going on. Same can be said of using the age based classification. We all know that type 1 can happen at any age and type 2 is becoming more and more common in youths.

Jason

[jrcskb]

they have been calling something else type 3 for a couple of years right now.. it is linked with Alzheimer's.
here are a few pages... so if they want to renumber 1.5 then they bette pick type 4, cause type 3 is already taken for over a year now :)

http://diabetes.about.com/b/a/159980.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4315609.stm

http://www.rense.com/general63/studysuggesttype3.htm

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=20838

and...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177238,00.html

I read this article from the NY Times at lunch today:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/17/health/17alzheimer.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Let's just find a cure for all of the types!:cheers:

[grace girl]

Hi,
I have diabetes. I'm on insulin. Got it when I was 32. So, what's for dinner?



I get tired of trying to explain it to people, really.

[4519]

Hi,
I have diabetes. I'm on insulin. Got it when I was 32. So, what's for dinner?



I get tired of trying to explain it to people, really.

Good luck with that - you think about it there is no reaon for anyone but us to understand it. There are so many diseases out there to have knowledge about it is no wonder no body understands even the most common ones. I agree, it does get old explaining it over and over - oh well, that's just the way it is.

[lgvincent]

I've never heard of it. I always thought juvenile-onset and adult-onset pretty much described all cases of diabetes. Guess the folks in the know won't be happy until they have a different type of diabetes for each person who has it. Hi! I'm Lowell, and I've got type 1, category 8, page 18, chapter 90, paragraph 28, subcategory 22 slash 14 diabetes, for the moment. What kind do you have?

[spike]

Hi,
I have diabetes. I'm on insulin. Got it when I was 32. So, what's for dinner?



I get tired of trying to explain it to people, really.


Veggies and meat (or fish). Sorry, we can't serve you potatoes, rice, white bread, or pasta... <g>

[KickStart101]

Yes, I found that interesting to hear that there may be another
Type of Diabetes or as Paul said, it already exists by name. I
must have been outta town when that happened. :D

[Mister Q]

Maybe we should give them names like Roger or Jane, would make the whole thing so much more fun!!

"hi I have diabetes, its the Jane type"

To me it don't matter what you call it, as long as you get the right treatment for you.

[lgvincent]

According to an article in U. S. News and World Report on Alzheimer's, The resemblance to type 1 and type 2 diabetes is so strong, "that we're starting to call Alzheimer's 'type 3,'" says Suzanne de la Monte, a neuropathologist at Brown Medical School in Providence, RI.