Name my disease Bill - yanked from ADA board

[kidvid]

I posted at the ADA Type 1 board this morning and had the post and about 8 replies yanked a few minutes ago. Most replies were positive, none were negative. I'd like to post here and see what you folks think...my post exactly as it appeared:

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How about a little controversy for a Friday?

I just spent 3 hours researching statistics on diabetes. I didn't like what I saw for a variety of reasons, but one thing in particular kind of shakes me up - the lack of distinction between T1 and T2 when reporting statistical data. This seems true at every government related source, be it at the state or federal level. A casual researcher needs to dig deep to find statistical information about how Type 1 is increasing, or not increasing. One simply cannot break out gross costs of medical care (from available data) for T1 vs T2. Type 1 is lost amid a sea of information on diabetes - almost all of which has nothing to do with my disease.

What dominates everything I read, and what I think our lawmakers, employers, and insurors read and hear, is that diabetes is running rampant. Headlines, web sites and research papers tell us that there will be millions of new cases and millions go undiagnosed. Show me a Type 1 that has gone undiagnosed for a year or two and I'll show you where to put the flowers.

The American public is building a school of thought - Your employer, your congressperson and your insuror as consumers of this informationwill buy into this school of thought: Diabetes is costly, it is a drain on our society, many, many people have it or will contract it.

A potential outcome of this, you ask? Research dollars, already in short supply, will be spread even thinner. Employers already reluctant to hire an insurance risk, will become even warier. Insurers will lump Type 1's and Type 2's together in statistical analysis and coverage will become harder to obtain or maintain. Ask your congressperson to describe the difference between Type 1 and Type 2 ...really, I dare you!

I have an autoimmune disease. My diet and lifestyle had absolutely nothing to do with my contracting it. Don't confuse me or my disease with the national "Diabetes Crisis." Call it something else if you have to keep it separate and distinct from Type 2. ****, call it Bill if you have to.

Joe
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[spike]

That forum is run by a tyrant. :) He's an egomaniac working in the perfect position for someone with his personality. Best to forget about the ADA forums.

[Lynne1]

If you have a suggestion to post on the ADA board do it. Don't bash type II's in the process. When I read type II bashing posts I really feel like an outsider on this forum. I pump and get alot of advice from type Is and don't want to feel like the enemy.

Also, you cursed in the post. Perhaps that's why it was removed.

[spike]

If you have a suggestion to post on the ADA board do it. Don't bash type II's in the process. When I read type II bashing posts I really feel like an outsider on this forum. I pump and get alot of advice from type Is and don't want to feel like the enemy.

Also, you cursed in the post. Perhaps that's why it was removed.

You must have read something other than what he included in his post here. It didn't look like "bashing" to me. Is there something he left out?? I also missed the cursing...

[jillsp]

I don't think he was bashing Type 2's, he was making the case that while we are all diabetics there is a huge difference between Type 1 and Type 2 diabetes and we all get lumped together. That is not being mean, it is a true scientific fact. It's not saying one type is better or worse but they are different. At least that is how I read it.

I think the cursing was the word, ****? Am I right?

I've never posted on the ADA forum so have no idea what they are like....

[Lynne1]

"I have an autoimmune disease. My diet and lifestyle had absolutely nothing to do with my contracting it"

"****, call it Bill if you have to."


I'm always offended when people say that diet and lifestyle are the only contributors to type II. I think that's a gross generalization and I don't like it. I'm still trying to figure out why I got type II. I'm not perfect, perhaps a little overindulgent in the diet category at times. Always exercised alot. I wasn't overweight when I got it. I know people that are very heavy and do absolutely no exercise whatsoever and they don't have type II. Please explain that.

[spike]

I think the cursing was the word, ****? Am I right?

I've never posted on the ADA forum so have no idea what they are like....

No WONDER I missed the so-called "cursing". :) (Geez, Lynne)
Jill, you haven't missed a whole lot. There's a lot of the "blind leading the blind" on that site. New diabetics with one month's worth of the disease under their belts trying to tell newbies how to control their disease. The moderator, Bob, is a real piece of work. I even attempted to discuss some on going problems with the higher ups at the ADA, but they aren't interested in dealing with the forum, so Bob has full autonomy and that's made a bad situation worse, IMO.

[jillsp]

I agree Lynne that generalizing Type 2 diabetes is not fair. My cousin has type 2 and has always been relatively thin in size and eaten well. Type 2 diabetes as I understand it is hereditary, it's in your genetic makeup. And while diet and lifestyle *can* contribute to it, those things alone are not what causes Type 2 diabetes....they may escalate a diagnosis, but they do not just cause it. It's genetics, baby, plain and simple.

[kidvid]

Don't bash type II's in the process.
I tried really hard not to bash Type 2's. The facts are that the increase in Type 2 (the Diabetes Epidemic the press cite so often) could be a serious detriment to Type 1.

Also, you cursed in the post. Perhaps that's why it was removed.

Yep - the curse was intended.


Joe

[Lynne1]

I agree Lynne that generalizing Type 2 diabetes is not fair. My cousin has type 2 and has always been relatively thin in size and eaten well. Type 2 diabetes as I understand it is hereditary, it's in your genetic makeup. And while diet and lifestyle *can* contribute to it, those things alone are not what causes Type 2 diabetes....they may escalate a diagnosis, but they do not just cause it. It's genetics, baby, plain and simple.
Thank you. I feel somewhat understood now.

[Lynne1]

Yep - the curse was intended.
Joe
I don't care if you curse, but they may have. Don't want to start a war, just feeling sensitive right now.

[spike]

Thank you. I feel somewhat understood now.

Maybe this is why there are separate forums for T1's and T2's, Lynne. <g> I gave up on reading Usenet DM newsgroups (read by both T1's and 2's) because of the constant bickering, misunderstanding, and bad advice doled out by well-meaning folks who don't understand the many differences between the two types.

[dgrilli]

Yes when I see when they accuse the type 2's of being over eaters, eating to many of the wrong things and sedentary life styles contributes to the onset of a type 2, I begin to wonder? Or does the above contribute only to making the Type 2 worse off?

Then I think of those who have those antibodies that destroy the beta cells? None of those things above I know would help me one iota to stop these antibodies from killing off my beta cells. How did I get these?

Will someone who over eats and lazes around contract Type 2? Nope that is just a big fat lie and is mean and decisive. They would be able to slow the disease down and have a better quality of life.

But the same could go for me even though I do not make enough insulin like those guys do I still think my quality of life would improve if I exercise and eat properly.

Bottom line it may not be like mine and yours and there are differences in the treatment.

But to sling mud at these ?

[Lynne1]

I think it's frustrating to be generalized regardless of what type you are. 'Nuff said. I don't know whether I should respond to type I posts in the future, but I do end up reading posts related to pumping and insulin use so I ended up hanging out w/type I's alot. I hope I'm welcome.

[rmccully2000]

I just went to the Adult board and your thread is still there. Sometimes threads you have posted on disappear and you have to click the folder at the top. Not sure why this is but it's confused me before. Oh, and I like Bob. The Parents forum at ADA is fantastic and he has always been very helpful. Very supportive people there.

Oh, and I wish they had different names too for statistical reasons. I had difficulty finding financial data regarding solely to type 1 for an insurance appeal.
Becky

[Just_Plain_John]

An interesting point, but perhaps the ADA isn't the right agency for it. Maybe it would take petitioning US federal health agencies or the CDC or the AMA ? What's the UK's organization for doctors, the Royal Society of Medicine or similar ? I think it might be more productive to lobby them than the ADA who seems to have their own agenda for advocacy, rather than strictly objective like researchers tend to be.

A super illustration of how we can all contribute to diabetic Awareness as Type1s ! :king:

[Dewey]

I think the biggest problem is the misunderstanding not only from the medical community (which all too often gives "blanket" explanations for a wide variety of ailments), but between people as well.

I've known many a Type II who do not fit the stereotypes that the ADA or any other organizations (or people) would like them to. Likewise with Type Is. I think what needs to be realized on many levels, is that we're unique individuals, and the root causes behind our situations widely vary. Not one of us is a clear "textbook case," and everyone (from doctors to CDEs and everyday folk) need(s) to understand this.

[rzrbks]

Pitting T1 against T2 is Putting up a strawman

Primo it's not an either/or it's a both/and otherwise we're all in deep cowpies.

Secundo the people are doing what they are taught to do CONSUME. Even a certain humanbeing that lives in Crawford Texas screams at the People to consume.

Tertio The very people who are complaining the loudest, Free Marketeers, are the ones who are making money from selling that which might cause people to develop T2 and then turn around and are making money selling the supplies the T2s need (in both instances, at rates that are creating Outrageous profits)


Quarto As with everything else these complaining Rip-off artists do, they make sure to split apart the very people who should be uniting to protect themselves from the thieves.

[jillsp]

I think it's frustrating to be generalized regardless of what type you are. 'Nuff said. I don't know whether I should respond to type I posts in the future, but I do end up reading posts related to pumping and insulin use so I ended up hanging out w/type I's alot. I hope I'm welcome.

Of course!!! As I would hope that I am welcome in the Type 2 area b/c I find it intersting and I like the people there. The fact is, regardless of Type, we ALL have diabetes and while Type 1's start out on insulin, some Type 2's end up there and we have lots of information and experiences to share with each other. Isn't that why we are all here? :shakehand

[jenet]

Maybe this is why there are separate forums for T1's and T2's, Lynne. <g> I gave up on reading Usenet DM newsgroups (read by both T1's and 2's) because of the constant bickering, misunderstanding, and bad advice doled out by well-meaning folks who don't understand the many differences between the two types.
Exactly. It's gets old after a while explaining that regardless of how well it works for other people, trying to manage my diabetes with diet and excercise, or by taking a pill would literally kill me.

I had another wonderful chat at the office this week with a very nice, new co-worker explaining that while Type 1 and Type 2 share many of the same risks of complications (due to high blood sugars), the actual mechanisms and treatments could be quite different with some moderate overlap in health-promoting tactics (eat healthy, exercise regularly, etc.).

cheers,
j

[camjen1]

The DR's need to get off the whole textbook theory and realize that not everything has to go by the books. If two young boys walked into my DR's office and both had diabetes but one was overweight while the other was slim what do you think the DR would classify each child before even doing any testing? The skinny one would be T1 while the overweight one would be T2 even thought he doesn't fall in the age category. He's fat there is no way he can be T1.

I have seen DR's try to diagnose a patient by the way they look. It's ridiculous but very true. I have seen it improve a tad bit but not by much. My old Endo at first diagnosed me as a T2 because he originally thought I was to old to be a T1 but also thought that I was to skinny to be T2. He quickly changed the diagnosis to T1 because oral meds wouldn't work for me.

[Lizzy]

Joe, your post was still there at 6:40. I like the site, but like Spike said there are alot of "newbies" that think they know everything about diabetes. I kind of just chuckle and by-pass what they have to say.

Liz T1 dxed 1964

[Cyborg]

I posted at the ADA Type 1 board this morning and had the post and about 8 replies yanked a few minutes ago. Most replies were positive, none were negative. I'd like to post here and see what you folks think...my post exactly as it appeared:

Quote:
How about a little controversy for a Friday?

I just spent 3 hours researching statistics on diabetes. I didn't like what I saw for a variety of reasons, but one thing in particular kind of shakes me up - the lack of distinction between T1 and T2 when reporting statistical data. This seems true at every government related source, be it at the state or federal level. A casual researcher needs to dig deep to find statistical information about how Type 1 is increasing, or not increasing. One simply cannot break out gross costs of medical care (from available data) for T1 vs T2. Type 1 is lost amid a sea of information on diabetes - almost all of which has nothing to do with my disease.

What dominates everything I read, and what I think our lawmakers, employers, and insurors read and hear, is that diabetes is running rampant. Headlines, web sites and research papers tell us that there will be millions of new cases and millions go undiagnosed. Show me a Type 1 that has gone undiagnosed for a year or two and I'll show you where to put the flowers.

The American public is building a school of thought - Your employer, your congressperson and your insuror as consumers of this informationwill buy into this school of thought: Diabetes is costly, it is a drain on our society, many, many people have it or will contract it.

A potential outcome of this, you ask? Research dollars, already in short supply, will be spread even thinner. Employers already reluctant to hire an insurance risk, will become even warier. Insurers will lump Type 1's and Type 2's together in statistical analysis and coverage will become harder to obtain or maintain. Ask your congressperson to describe the difference between Type 1 and Type 2 ...really, I dare you!

I have an autoimmune disease. My diet and lifestyle had absolutely nothing to do with my contracting it. Don't confuse me or my disease with the national "Diabetes Crisis." Call it something else if you have to keep it separate and distinct from Type 2. ****, call it Bill if you have to.

Joe
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Who's to say that type 2 diabetes is caused by being overweight and/or eating improperly? Perhaps diabetes is the result of a government oversight. Perhaps a certain pollutant or bi-product of some lucrituous industry. Perhaps type 1 and type 2 are both caused by some rouge agent virus but overweight individuals are more at risk, they are for other ailments... :dontknow:

[gettingby]

I don't post to the ADA site anymore. I had a lot of rude replies to some posts I made so I stopped.

[Tor]

I don't believe it's one or the other when it comes to the causes of diabetes type II. My personal belief is that there are four things that can contribute to a person getting type II diabetes. I've listed them in what I consider to be the order of importance, with the most important first:
1. Letting your guard down, by being overweight, under-exercised and eating foods with a high count of simple sugars. One effect of that is excess abdominal fat, which creates insulin resistance and translates to high blood sugars and diabetes type II.
2. A genetic pre-disposition to get diabetes. This doesn't mean one will get diabetes type II, but it increases the likelihood if any of the other three factors are present. This explains why some people are obese and under exercised and don't get diabetes, while some are only marginally overweight and do get it.
3. Toxins effecting our internal organs - ranging from overuse of off the shelf painkillers like Tylonol and Abuprophene (which can damage our liver) - to environmental damage to organs in a workplace situation.
4. Pancreatitis, cancer of the pancreas, hemachromatosis (iron overload), chronic alcohol abuse and other diseases that can have diabetes as a secondary effect.
I am not saying that one cannot get diabetes type II without number 1. on the list being present, but those who do would probably number something under five percent of the total of us. I've been to dozens of meetings, training sessions and conferences about diabetes type II and it's always easy to guess where the meeting room is by us folks sitting outside.
Tor

[Cyborg]

I think you just included about 90% of the population. :frown:

[caryj]

Personally, I am not supportive of the ADA. I choose to support the JDRF in my endevours because their goal is more aligned with my goal, the specific disease they are fighting for is the exact disease that I have (I like things that are targeted, it makes things more tidy).

The ADA chooses to fight for diabetes in all of it's forms, but in my opinion that means it is spreading itself far too thin. However, I do think that the ADA does wonderful things--their events raise significant amounts of attention (and money) to diabetes in general.

However, I really just wish there was an easy way to be distinctive from T1 and T2. But the 'funny' part is, you can't -- because we're so simmilar in many respects.

So to that end, I support the organization that fights for my personal goals, and for the past 19 years my family and I have turned our backs to the ADA and have had wonderful experiences with the JDRF (again, not because we think the ADA is bad persay, but because it is not aligned with our goals).

[E-NICE]

This is just my oppinion but diabetes is diabetes. Both types make you sick and both can kill. That said I read all the posts on all the forums I can because they all are informative.

[jenet]

This is just my oppinion but diabetes is diabetes. Both types make you sick and both can kill. That said I read all the posts on all the forums I can because they all are informative.
With all due respect, I have to disagree. Lots of other diseases also make you sick and can kill. Even when looking just at "diabetes", there are multiple types (Type 1, 1.5, 2, LADA, MODY, pancreatitus-induced, etc.) representing different origins and mechanisms. Yes, they do have much in common. They all cause high blood sugars if not treated properly and they have many of the same horrible risks: cardiac disease, kidney failure, blindness, amputations. Type 1 or Type 2, we share many of the same concerns: healthy food ideas, encouragement for excercising, comparing meters and lancets, understanding lab tests, discussing treatment options for complications.

I also read all the forums, because I never know when someone will share some new bit of useful information (or when I might be able to return the favor by helping someone else).

But there are also important differences. As a Type 1 originally misdiagnosed by a GP as Type 2, diet, exercise and pills never worked. I ended up in the hospital with DKA. A treatment (or even permanent cure) for insulin resistance will not work for me. Even new islet cells may not be a long-term solution if my autoimmune disorder continues to attack my pancreas as it is now doing with my thyroid.

Not trying to attack anyone, but it is also important to remember the critical differences. Good advice for a Type 1 may not help a Type 2, and vice versa, which is why I try to think twice and check the user profile before offering advice to Type 2s.

cheers,
j

[Harold]

So in all of your research did you find out if type 1 is increasing in incidence?
Maybe there is someting in our enviroment causing an increase in both types.

Yeah, I get it all of the time, "No, you can't be a type 2." When they hear I have diabetes they assume I have type 1 and take insulin.

[jenet]

Harold, not sure who your question was addressed to, but I did see one new study published earlier this month that was interesting. When I was DXed in 1995 I was told there was no genetic factor in Type 1. Now:

"A discovery at the University of Colorado at Denver’s Barbara Davis Center for Childhood Diabetes has identified a genetic risk for type 1 diabetes three to four times higher than previously thought possible. Researchers have found evidence of an additional gene in the human leukocyte antigen region on chromosome 6 that raises the risk for type 1 diabetes autoimmunity to an astounding 80 percent."

http://www.uchsc.edu/news/newsrelease/2006/sep/04-diabetes.htm

I am under the impression that the rate of Type 1 was not increasing at the same rapid rate of Type 2, and that Type 1s are now a substantially smaller % of all people with diabetes with the increase in Type 2s. I'll see if I can find something later, as I'm on my way out the door.

cheers,
j

[Harold]

Jenet, It was in response to Kids first post about researching it for three hours and not finding an answer. Since I did not put his name first it was free game for anyone to jump in. Did that on purpose.

Yes I would have expected the percentage of diabetes for type 1 to type 2 to drop. The question that is begging to be answered is has the percentage of the general population that is type 1 increased or decreased? At least that is what I was asking and thought that was what Kidvid was researching.

[kidvid]

So in all of your research did you find out if type 1 is increasing in incidence?
Maybe there is someting in our enviroment causing an increase in both types

What I've found indicates that the incidence rate for Type 1 is not increasing, and that the percentage of Type 1 is decreasing dramatically as the total rate of diabetes rises.

Joe

[Brenda A]

I for one was not over weight until I started the insulin. My mom was the same way. We both ballooned after starting insulin. My endo says that is common. Diabetes is sometimes found because someone thin suddenly starts gaining. Type 1 type 2 it does not matter you are diabetic, not an easy lifestyle for anyone. Why fight among our own, we are all in for a rough go. We are the only ones that can truely understand that even with the best of treatment, in good control, we still may not feel great and can suffer really bad things. The finger pointers are clearly non diabetics, and can not understand what they have never had to deal with.

[Cyborg]

Diabetes is sometimes found because someone thin suddenly starts gaining.

More likely an indicator is unexplained weight loss...

[spike]

More likely an indicator is unexplained weight loss...

depends on the severity, I think...

[Cyborg]

I guess I don't understand the mechanism...

[spike]

I guess I don't understand the mechanism...


Imagine being in ketosis for months. What's gonna happen to your weight?

And then imagine being overweight and having a pancreas that can't "keep up". Some diabetics will be heavy at DX, but some will be severely ill and beginning to waste away. the food that they eat can't nourish their body due to a severe lack of insulin. Others, while still diabetic, manage to nourish their cells well enough to gain/maintain weight.

when they find out their are DM and begin treatment, their weight can go even higher because they are better nourished, on a cellular level.

[Cyborg]

I'm not being argumentative, I still don't get it...

Being in ketosis for months... Probably ketoacidosis, but yes, you would be losing weight since your body is not getting nutrients at the cellular level. Your body is probably breaking down itself in an attempt to get nourishment.

Now, an overweight diabetic with a pancreas that is not keeping up. I suppose they do not have enough insulin to allow their cells to uptake the nutrients from the food they are consuming, ultimately resulting in weight loss.

Others managing to nourish their cells well enough to maintain/gain weight? I suppose if you still produce enough insulin to cover what your body needs and then more, you can see weight gain. But how would that be a sign of diabetes? People eat too much and gain weight all the time. It's the losing weight while overeating that is alarming.

Yes, once treatment is started, the cells are "opened up" to nutrient absorption. So if you consume more calories than you expend, you can gain weight once treatment starts.

[Funnygrl]

I suspect with type 2s, the higher blood sugar stimulates hunger like it does in us, but they aren't actually peeing out those calories, like someone in ketosis would, so that stimulated hunger leads to weight gain?

[Cyborg]

I did not know high blood sugar made people hungry. Even so, without sufficient insulin, how do the cells absorb the extra calories?

[spring]

As per feeling hungry with high blood sugar, I've always found the last thing I want to do when high is eat. Rather feeling hungry is a good indicator that my blood sugar is dropping (and indeed I was barely picking at my food before diagnosis, despite only weighing 60lbs at age 10. (and of course, drinking like a fiend)

[parrotletzoo]

its my opinion that the ADA mainly supports research and education for type 2 diabetes and that type 1 is often an afterthought with them. Not necessarily a bad thing since the vast majority of people with diabetes have type 2. If you need more info/support for type 1 look for resources geared specifically for it. like jdrf and childrenwithdiabetes.com.

[jillsp]

I'm not being argumentative, I still don't get it...

Being in ketosis for months... Probably ketoacidosis, but yes, you would be losing weight since your body is not getting nutrients at the cellular level. Your body is probably breaking down itself in an attempt to get nourishment.

Now, an overweight diabetic with a pancreas that is not keeping up. I suppose they do not have enough insulin to allow their cells to uptake the nutrients from the food they are consuming, ultimately resulting in weight loss.

Others managing to nourish their cells well enough to maintain/gain weight? I suppose if you still produce enough insulin to cover what your body needs and then more, you can see weight gain. But how would that be a sign of diabetes? People eat too much and gain weight all the time. It's the losing weight while overeating that is alarming.

Yes, once treatment is started, the cells are "opened up" to nutrient absorption. So if you consume more calories than you expend, you can gain weight once treatment starts.


Don't forget the aspect of insulin resistance in Type 2 diabetics. The pancreas is working so hard to pump out insulin that the body is resistant to...you have all this insulin floating around in the body, *most* of the cells are resistant to it, but just enough cells use the insulin properly keeping the Type 2 from going into ketoacidosis, but also the body is still not getting what it needs so it sends signals to the pancreas to make even more insulin b/c it thinks it's starving. Then the whole the more insulin in the body the fatter you get theory gets played (in general, I don't mean everyone)

[Tor]

I think you just included about 90% of the population. :frown:
Cyborg: Last I heard somewhat around 74 percent of Americans are obese or overweight. Not all of those have the diabetes type II vulnerability gene. So 90 percent of the total population sounds like a bit of an overkill.
Tor

[Cyborg]

You think? :stupido:

[BlueSky]

:smile: Don't forget the aspect of insulin resistance in Type 2 diabetics. The pancreas is working so hard to pump out insulin that the body is resistant to...you have all this insulin floating around in the body, *most* of the cells are resistant to it, but just enough cells use the insulin properly keeping the Type 2 from going into ketoacidosis, but also the body is still not getting what it needs so it sends signals to the pancreas to make even more insulin b/c it thinks it's starving. Then the whole the more insulin in the body the fatter you get theory gets played (in general, I don't mean everyone)
The issue here is that not all cells become insulin resistant at the same time. I couldn't understand how people with high blood sugar could put on weight, until I realised this. Organ cells are the first to shut down insulin receptors and keep glucose out, because they are the most sensitive to the toxic effects of it. Next, muscle cells become insulin resistant because they, too, can't get rid of excess glucose.

Fat cells are the last to become insulin resistant because they can do a very clever trick with excess glucose . They turn it into fat and store it. The cells just get bigger and bigger. Which is why people with high insulin levels put weight on easily and battle to get rid of it. :rolleyes:

[Cyborg]

Which is why a no-carb diet is the ONLY way to eat :vollkomme

[spike]

I did not know high blood sugar made people hungry. Even so, without sufficient insulin, how do the cells absorb the extra calories?


ABSOLUTELY, high bg's make people hungry! My god, when I was undiagnosed, I couldn't eat enough to satisfy my unbelievable hunger. I'd by the largest lunches I could afford, and then I'd still be famished. That's because my body wasn't getting much nurishment from the food,due to a lack of insulin.

[spike]

I'd by the largest lunches I could afford, and then I'd still be famished.

Make that,"I'd BUY the largest lunches..." Darn homonyms!

[Brenda A]

Don't forget the aspect of insulin resistance in Type 2 diabetics. The pancreas is working so hard to pump out insulin that the body is resistant to...you have all this insulin floating around in the body, *most* of the cells are resistant to it, but just enough cells use the insulin properly keeping the Type 2 from going into ketoacidosis, but also the body is still not getting what it needs so it sends signals to the pancreas to make even more insulin b/c it thinks it's starving. Then the whole the more insulin in the body the fatter you get theory gets played (in general, I don't mean everyone)


That is about how it was explained to me.

[Brenda A]

Cyborg: Last I heard somewhat around 74 percent of Americans are obese or overweight. Not all of those have the diabetes type II vulnerability gene. So 90 percent of the total population sounds like a bit of an overkill.
Tor


Even without diabetes, all the hormones and ral-grow they put in our food is going to affect us. Growth hormoes do quite a number on the animals and we eat them and the hormones are present in the meat. They affect the taste, I buy it without when possible and it is amazing. Fat food fat folks!!!! Then top it off with a body that does not process right! I see more overweight than not out there.

[BeckieLynn55]

Personally, I am not supportive of the ADA. I choose to support the JDRF in my endevours because their goal is more aligned with my goal, the specific disease they are fighting for is the exact disease that I have (I like things that are targeted, it makes things more tidy).

I completely agree with you. As ADA is trying to tackle both Diabetes issues, the ones with the overwhelming numbers are the Type 2s.. so most of their time, effort, and money help Type 2 diabetics. However, I want to support research that will help me someday. I know JDF is fully working for Type 1s. I almost consider ADA just a good cause like the American Cancer Society. Type 1's aren't their main concern and that's understandable. We have our own foundation... even though some of us aren't so Juvenille anymore.

[Lynne1]

I completely agree with you. As ADA is trying to tackle both Diabetes issues, the ones with the overwhelming numbers are the Type 2s.. so most of their time, effort, and money help Type 2 diabetics. However, I want to support research that will help me someday. I know JDF is fully working for Type 1s. I almost consider ADA just a good cause like the American Cancer Society. Type 1's aren't their main concern and that's understandable. We have our own foundation... even though some of us aren't so Juvenille anymore.
I'm walking in the JDRF walk on October 15th. Want to contribute? :wavey:

[Rebbmoss]

Joe,
When I read your post, I was reminded of the feeling I first had when it dawned on me that I was being demoted to a 2nd class Diabetic. I noticed that the information I was seeing concerning diabetes had little to do with a cure for my Type 1 diabetes, but rather emphasis had quickly and very loudly shifted towards concern for Type 2 diabete's effects on the population.

One day after finding almost nothing in my trusty diabetes newsletters about what I live with and hope for every day, I worked through my spurts of anger and then I felt very guilty. I also felt sad. I am not a hateful person, as a matter of fact diabetes has taught me a lot about compassion for others who suffer from health problems. After all, I have said to myself that I was lucky and life could always be a lot rougher if I had something worse than Diabetes to deal with. But to be truthful, I've recently had some very selfish thoughts.

I do not feel anger at Type 2 diabetics. That would be just stupid. I want all of them to be healed too. I very much love some people who have Type 2. But see it is like this..............

For 32 years now, since age 13, I have been told there would be a cure for my diabetes. I have devoutly waited for it. Now I have complications and my time is running out. Unfortunately the new interest in Type 2, as well as research to prevent diabetes, makes me feel that I will be forgotten. I know it is awful to feel like that, but sometimes I just can't help it . Research has to fight for dollars and someone will probably come out on the short end. With other autoimmune disorders to go with my diabetes, I need cures for several diseases to be free. While I have fought long and hard to stay well, met many challenges, and developed a character that demanded only the best I could be, there are times I feel as though I got gyped big time. I really need to believe in a cure to keep fighting!

I don't say these things to be a downer, but rather to express that it is normal for me or anyone, to feel threatened by anything that has the potential to take the most important dream I've ever had away. You can't help having silly(?) thoughts like - if scientists were able to prevent any new cases of type 1 diabetes, and also cured insulin's resistance and communication problems of the increasing number of people with Type 2, that they shouldn't waste their time on Type 1's small percentage. After all if they waited long enough, type 1's would past from this earth and it would be a terrible disease from the past. See what I mean... you can't help but to be a little paranoid at the least.

Of course the people that are educated about the cause of type 1 diabetes know that cures for other debilitating diseases today also share their roots in the autoimmune system. So we can hope that work will continue to cure Rheumatoid Arthritis, Lupus, Thyroiditis, Parkinsons, etc. and that their answers could be our answers too.

There goes that aggravating attitude again, that for every short side you must hang in there, and find the possibility that the dream does live on! That's what living with a chronic disease like Diabetes, whether it is Type 1 or Type 2, will teach you and form into your Character and Soul. It's like you can't give up now, or it will have all been for nothing!

Besides I believe heaven will have something so much better than chocolate cake, that we haven't the ability to even imagine how wonderful it'll be. That's a hope that can never be lessened or taken away.
Rebecca

[Cyborg]

Heaven will be better :)

But... For now... IMO, there will be a vaccine for type 1 diabetes some day. I seriously doubt that those with type 1 who no longer have beta cells will ever be cured. I hope, but I don't count on it.

As far as life dreams and goals go, I refuse to let this disease interfere. I have adapted, as any species would to any stress. Granted, my pump has helped, and there are many other tools available also. But there are ways to fit into this lifestyle and still be ambitious enough to make your dreams come true. Work hard for what you want to achieve, try to keep the spirit up and never give up on your goals.