Re: Rumors of the 1275 Animas

[dgrilli]

Just heard that information packs being sent out to prospective customers now contain literature of the 1275?

I got this from Insulin Pumpers Digest V 10 #162.

Anyone have more Info?

[JediSkipdogg]

I'd love to see that cause as far as I know the 1275 was actually scratch. The buyout from J&J messed some stuff up in the R&D area therefore they dropped the 1275 and are continuing on with the Micropump at full speed instead, I believe they are calling that one the 1500.

[Lynne1]

I'd love to see that cause as far as I know the 1275 was actually scratch. The buyout from J&J messed some stuff up in the R&D area therefore they dropped the 1275 and are continuing on with the Micropump at full speed instead, I believe they are calling that one the 1500.
Do they have an idea when the micropump will come out? I saw a prototype in Feb or March and it was really cool.

[jeggeman31]

Do they have an idea when the micropump will come out? I saw a prototype in Feb or March and it was really cool.


Late 2007 is what my Animas Rep told me about 6 months ago. That is about the best info I have on that as of now

[jeggeman31]

Just heard that information packs being sent out to prospective customers now contain literature of the 1275?

I got this from Insulin Pumpers Digest V 10 #162.

Anyone have more Info?


Just hung up with Animas and this is what I was told.


About a year to year and half ago prior to the J & J buyout plans was to roll out an upgraded 1250. However J & J put the scraps on that. The guy from Animas said that before J & J puts a new pump on the market they want to make sure that it is a pump that goes above and beyond all other pumps on the market, and is something that no one else has.

[spike]

Just hung up with Animas and this is what I was told.


About a year to year and half ago prior to the J & J buyout plans was to roll out an upgraded 1250. However J & J put the scraps on that. The guy from Animas said that before J & J puts a new pump on the market they want to make sure that it is a pump that goes above and beyond all other pumps on the market, and is something that no one else has.

hehe. IF (big IF) Animas can go "above and beyond" all other pumps on the market, then I just might defect from MM. We'll see if they can pull it off, BEFORE MM comes out with their next series...

[Funnygrl]

hehe. IF (big IF) Animas can go "above and beyond" all other pumps on the market, then I just might defect from MM. We'll see if they can pull it off, BEFORE MM comes out with their next series...
Any rumors on when that will be now?

[JediSkipdogg]

The ORIGINAL plans were for teh 1275 to come out March/April of 06 and the Micropump (1500?) to come out about right now. However, like Jim said, J&J scrapped all that, well partially.

The Micropump is rumored to be a few pumps in one. It will be a tubingless pump, like the Omnipod. However, it will have interchangeable cartridges for your insulin requirements. My assumption would be if one wanted to, they could pick the size they use for that day, and just change it every day. That way they can keep the pump size to a minimum.

The micropump is also rumored to have a step above Omnipod. The pump can be controlled in simple terms by the pump itself, OR by a PDA. One the pump, there will be a few buttons that can give a bolus and that is it. No combo bolus or anything else, just a straight bolus. That at least makes sure you can take care of your insulin needs shall you leave the PDA somewhere.

Here is a small picture of it, kinda hard to fully see it though...

http://www.debiotech.ch/products/msys/images/insulinpump/papismall.jpg

The estimated size of the attached part with the 3 ml reservoir attached is 65mm x 38 mm x 11 mm. So still pretty thick. In comparison, the Omnipod "pod" is 41 mm x 61 mm x 18 mm. So the size is partially smaller than the Omnipod in terms of thickness. But the main advantage, control from the pump, and you don't throw the entire device out, just the replaceable insulin cartridge.

There are also plans of ways to control the pump besides a PDA, say for example a special wrist watch, or maybe a new blood glucose meter. The possibilities are endless. And I must say, MM would need to come out with something amazing to top that. But with them figuring out how to recover from the BD fallout, they might not being doing as much R&D on the pumps now.

[spike]

Any rumors on when that will be now?

I'll ask my endo next time I see him. As long as he is still in contact with a buddy of his, he gets word on new pumps ages ahead of it leaking to the public. I'll try to remember to ask.

[trifona]

I'd love to see that cause as far as I know the 1275 was actually scratch. The buyout from J&J messed some stuff up in the R&D area therefore they dropped the 1275 and are continuing on with the Micropump at full speed instead, I believe they are calling that one the 1500.

In the summer the local Animas Rep was telling me 4Q06 for a new 300 unit pump. As recently as last month that Rep started saying 1Q07 instead, with a 300 unit version available late in 1Q07, with the micropump coming in 4Q07.

There's so much misinformation out there, who knows.

[Cyborg]

A 300 unit reservoir would be nice. :bebored:

[JediSkipdogg]

In the summer the local Animas Rep was telling me 4Q06 for a new 300 unit pump. As recently as last month that Rep started saying 1Q07 instead, with a 300 unit version available late in 1Q07, with the micropump coming in 4Q07.

There's so much misinformation out there, who knows.

I think the whole problem is not many know since the buyout took place. Why both making a 300 unit version of the 1250? It's kinda pointless now especially since they are very close to going for FDA approval on the Micro/Nanopump. They did that with the 1200, made the 1200 and within 4 months had the 1250 out which made alot mad when they had to pay $200 to get the upgrade.

That and Animas is one of the most top secret companies, same with Lifescan, in that they don't reveal much about what they are coming up with until it hits the market. Which that's a great sales tacket to surprise the competitor.

[Cyborg]

I'd pay 200$ to get a 300 unit reservoir upgrade...

[JediSkipdogg]

I'd pay 200$ to get a 300 unit reservoir upgrade...

I doubt it would be that. Cause last time with the 1200 to 1200 upgrade I think they either sent you a refurbed 1200 converted to a 1200+ or they gave you a loaner for a few days while you sent yours back to them to do the software upgrade. EIther way, you really weren't getting a brand new pump.

[jeggeman31]

I'd pay 200$ to get a 300 unit reservoir upgrade...

SO would I

[Cyborg]

Geepers, the 200 units only holds approx. 184 units.

[Funnygrl]

I have a 300 unit resevoir and I don't need it. But I still appreciate it even if it lasts me 10 days.

[Cyborg]

Exactly... It would be so nice to only have to change the infusion set every couple days and not the reservoir too! :ridinghor

[condensr]

This sorta hacks me off. I got my 1250 with the understanding, from the rep (dont even say it.. :)) that there would be an upgrade to the 1250 to address its lack of features with regards to memory of pretty much everything. (BG, carbs, even type of bolus).

Guess I shouldnt have expected it though, considering the 1250 was already a warm over of the 1200.

[JediSkipdogg]

This sorta hacks me off. I got my 1250 with the understanding, from the rep (dont even say it.. :)) that there would be an upgrade to the 1250 to address its lack of features with regards to memory of pretty much everything. (BG, carbs, even type of bolus).

Welcome to the world of mergers and buyouts.

[dgrilli]

So has anyone obtained this literature in the informations packs being sent to prospective customers?

Yes a 300 Unit Cartridge would be nice. There are a lot of times after filling and priming I have only 176 units left and the thing holds 200Units?

Then there are times I have ten units left when I refill before leaving the house.

The software would be nice to upgrade. The 1250 seems like a nice little machine but with the technology and software of today there shouldn't be a lack of features in this department.

You know the PDA software works only with the Palm OS (Operating System) most users of PDA's predominately use the Microsoft Operating System Version 2003 2nd Edition or the New 2005.

Palm OS is yesterday and Palm products are now using the new win 2005 Operating Sysytem. That should have told this Company they were Antiquated (Period). Animas get your Head out of your (?)
This is a sore spot for me because I would have like to use this in conjunction with my treatment and control.

I know we can use our Desk Tops but who Carry's there Desk Tops in there Pocket?

Yes I know Sony is making a Handheld with Win XP that is slightly larger than a Pocket PC 2003 SE.

But these things are a cool $1,800.00 or more for one that is fast enough to be useful. Laptops are to large to tote around.

The Palm OS is Dead, Dead Eons Ago.

Sorry about the Rant. But Animas could rectify this very easily.

[Funnygrl]

Mention of the 1275 was in the packet I got last spring. It said nothing about it, just plotted it's development on a timeline of future developments.

[JasonJayhawk]

Wow, if the 1500 is successful, OmniPod had better look out. For some reason, I don't think OmniPod is doing as well as they had hoped; perhaps they'll be looking for a buyer for their patent portfolio soon. It will still be 1-2 years before they're even selling them in the Midwest, if they ever do.

[jeggeman31]

Geepers, the 200 units only holds approx. 184 units.


I did get 198 units out of my fill couple days ago. It was one I re used, but prior to priming my pump read 198 units. First I have ever seen that.

[EdnaDeel]

I'd pay 200$ to get a 300 unit reservoir upgrade...

o gosh me too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[JanTx]

My last fill on my MM722 the 300 reservoir held 279. :( That's after priming 41" (? long one anyway) tubing. I tried to fill the reservoir as much as possible - even had the plunger fall off because I'd pulled it out so far. But that still goes 6 days - if I let it go to the last drop - so I'm still happy with that. I'm not experienced - 4 weeks this Saturday - so I may get better with this as I have more fills under my belt.

[Funnygrl]

Why did all of you guys that would pay for a 300 unit upgrade get an Animas? You knew how much insulin you used, you knew Animas only held 200 units. Cozmo, Minimed 7xx and 50x series, and even the older Animas all hold 300 units.

[jeggeman31]

Why did all of you guys that would pay for a 300 unit upgrade get an Animas? You knew how much insulin you used, you knew Animas only held 200 units. Cozmo, Minimed 7xx and 50x series, and even the older Animas all hold 300 units.

I did not like the Cozmo. One the rep was almost an hour late to our appt. ALso it was bulky. I could not get mm rep to call me back. I decided on Animas. Had the pump for 2 weeks, when MM rep got ahold of me.

[JediSkipdogg]

Why did all of you guys that would pay for a 300 unit upgrade get an Animas? You knew how much insulin you used, you knew Animas only held 200 units. Cozmo, Minimed 7xx and 50x series, and even the older Animas all hold 300 units.

I love the ANimas and had no problem with the IR 1200 I have. The 186 units (before priming) is just enough for me for 3 days worth. Sometimes I may only get 65 hours instead of 72.

I love the Cozmo and that is second on my list. I think all the safety features are there, the software is great, and the company is great. My biggest peeve, is the pump looks like it's for a 5 year old. And in my line of police work, I need something that looks a little more professional and doesn't stand out as much. Which the Animas does nicely. If they redesigned the look of the Cozmo I could see myself switching to it if Animas doesn't come out with a 300, or at least 250 unit cartridge during my next pump upgrade.

[Eyessack]

I love the ANimas and had no problem with the IR 1200 I have. The 186 units (before priming) is just enough for me for 3 days worth. Sometimes I may only get 65 hours instead of 72.

I love the Cozmo and that is second on my list. I think all the safety features are there, the software is great, and the company is great. My biggest peeve, is the pump looks like it's for a 5 year old. And in my line of police work, I need something that looks a little more professional and doesn't stand out as much. Which the Animas does nicely. If they redesigned the look of the Cozmo I could see myself switching to it if Animas doesn't come out with a 300, or at least 250 unit cartridge during my next pump upgrade.

what do you think about the mm?

[Funnygrl]

I love the ANimas and had no problem with the IR 1200 I have. The 186 units (before priming) is just enough for me for 3 days worth. Sometimes I may only get 65 hours instead of 72.

I love the Cozmo and that is second on my list. I think all the safety features are there, the software is great, and the company is great. My biggest peeve, is the pump looks like it's for a 5 year old. And in my line of police work, I need something that looks a little more professional and doesn't stand out as much. Which the Animas does nicely. If they redesigned the look of the Cozmo I could see myself switching to it if Animas doesn't come out with a 300, or at least 250 unit cartridge during my next pump upgrade.
Looks were definately my biggest peeve with the Cozmo too. But it's kinda grown on me. I have a leather (like) case I can use now and it looks professional enough in there.

[Dewey]

I like the Animas & Cozmo, but use my Cozmo as the primary pump.

In terms of looks, what may work for one, may or may not work for others. Some (like me, LOL) love the "toyish" look of the Cozmore pump and there's nothing wrong with that. It does the job it's required to do & does it well. That's what's most important. Personally, I can't wait till the apple green one comes out. I'm going to be all over that! lol

Since people can hide their pumps while working, I don't see how looks would or should even come into play. Jedi, since you are a dispatcher, how does your pump's looks affect anything? I'm Not trying to be rude, just curious about why the comment was made. Again, I understand that you don't care for the Comzo's looks & am not discounting that....just asking how that affects one's work?

Eyessack, you asked about the MiniMed. In terms of looks, that is a gorgeous pump as well. Pretty small and sleek. No matter which pump you choose, you'll get similar features. Ultimately, it's up to you to decide which one would best suit your needs. That's why I usually recommend people either do trials of the pumps (if offered) or at least get a hands-on demo of each one.

Per the original discussion: The Animas is a very sleek pump and I look forward to the future micro-pump and other goodies they plan to offer. It seems that the new releases can never come soon enough....:toilet:

[JediSkipdogg]

Since people can hide their pumps while working, I don't see how looks would or should even come into play. Jedi, since you are a dispatcher, how does your pump's looks affect anything? I'm Not trying to be rude, just curious about why the comment was made. Again, I understand that you don't care for the Comzo's looks & am not discounting that....just asking how that affects one's work?

To me it looks more professional and gives a nicer looking appearance. Just like I wouldn't walk into work with a Firefly cell phone. Public that see my pump don't think anything of it. They think it's just another radio device I wear for work since it doesn't stick out. I'm a very professional person when it comes to work as that's how I was raised. And in doing so, I want to pull off the most professional look I can for my job.

Will the Cozmo affect my job in terms of public? Probably not. Will it affect how I function at work? Probably not. But the same applies to a lawyer going to court without a suit and tie. In the eyes of the lawyer, they are taken less seriously. It's all in the eyes of the user and how they perceive they will be seen.

Why do some people only buy Gucci handbags? Why do some police officers wear leather gear over nylon gear? Why do some wear $300 boots and others $50 boots? It's all what makes them feel they look the best with.



************The above is my thoughts and mine alone. In this post no research was completed. It is my perception on looks from what I believe and my memory from what I've heard or believe I've heard. Therefore I cannot be held accountable for any innacuracies.************

[jeggeman31]

ol

Since people can hide their pumps while working, I don't see how looks would or should even come into play.

Dewey,

I am not trying to start the good old cozmo vs animas pump war :cheers:
But from what I remember from the Cozmo, is it not hard to hide that thing? From what I remember ( over a year ago so give me some credit ;) ) the thing seems very bulky. Now I understand you can take the meter off and it won't be as bulky, but with no meter how does it compare to the Animas bulky wise? I know how big each one is, because I can go to Cozmo's website and look. But I want to hear from someone like Dew who wears both pumps.


Maybe it is just that I am use to the Animas and how you look at the display sideways rather than straight up and down like the Cozmo :deal:

[JediSkipdogg]

Since people can hide their pumps while working, I don't see how looks would or should even come into play.

I missed that part and just answered your specific questions. Hiding the pump is not always easy especially when you have to access it multiple times at work. And putting it in a pants pocket is not an option at all. I have numerous keys (14 keys) in one pants pocket and my wallet in my other pocket (I keep my wallet in my front pocket so it's harder to steal that way). The keys destroy (as in scratch the heck out of) anything they come in contact with. Putting a pump in with my wallet is not possible because our uniform pants don't have huge pockets and I don't want it to look like something else is in my pocket if you catch my drift, lol.

I know some people modify their pants or shirts to hide pumps, but for me any modification would have to be 100% hidden. I couldn't do anything to the shirts as they are 100% white and anything shows through them. The pants is pretty hard to do anythign with as well because then I'd have to strip down to access the pump. I don't like using the audio bolus if I don't have to since I can't get as accurate of a bolus with that, so the pump would need to be able to be pulled out to make boluses.


********The above are my thoughts and mine alone. No research was gathered in this post and no outside sources besides work policy was used. And major disputes with my thoughts may be taken care of by a PM.

[Funnygrl]

But from what I remember from the Cozmo, is it not hard to hide that thing? From what I remember ( over a year ago so give me some credit ;) ) the thing seems very bulky.

No, not hard to hide. I can fit it in my jeans (and I'm a female who wears jeans with tight thighs and all that) pockets easily, and it's not noticeable if I can get it to lay correctly in the crease of the joint. I can also fit it in my bra easily.

[dgrilli]

I like to see some photos of that LOL

Just Kidding

[Shotokan]

I "test drove" both the Animas and the Cozmo for a month before selecting the Cozmo. I did prefer the look and feel of the Animas over the Cozmo during my trials, but I opted for the Cozmo because of the larger reservoir and because of the "custom meals" feature. I work in a professional office environment and the look of the Cozmo has never been an issue, although I thought it might be when I first started pumping about 6 months ago.

[Cyborg]

I wear my Animas in my shirt pocket and run the tubing through a tiny whole behind the pocket. Makes the pump very accessable. As for color, I have a Sleep-Eze (http://www.diabetes-supply.com/products-pumpaccessories.asp?lp=)from Animas that I always put the pump into. They come in black and white, so for a white shirt I would put my pump into a white one and then into my pocket. The Sleep-Eze keeps the pump from moving around in my pocket, so I bend over to pick something, for example, the pump doesn't fall out of my pocket. I suppose a baby sock would work just as well...

[Dewey]

Dewey,

I am not trying to start the good old cozmo vs animas pump war :cheers:
But from what I remember from the Cozmo, is it not hard to hide that thing? From what I remember ( over a year ago so give me some credit ;) ) the thing seems very bulky. Now I understand you can take the meter off and it won't be as bulky, but with no meter how does it compare to the Animas bulky wise? I know how big each one is, because I can go to Cozmo's website and look. But I want to hear from someone like Dew who wears both pumps.


Maybe it is just that I am use to the Animas and how you look at the display sideways rather than straight up and down like the Cozmo :deal:

I've posted this pic before, but will do it again. It's of the Animas & Cozmo (without meter attached) side by side. I've posted it in the Pump Comparisons...All about pumps/companies (http://www.diabetesforums.com/pumping-insulin/13323-pump-comparisons-all-about.html) thread, because it is sometimes asked about.