PDA

View Full Version : Unbelievable Diabetes Discrimination


WiseWords
03-08-2004, 07:10 AM
SHORT VERSION:

I am being discriminated against because
I had a hypoglycemic episode in which I needed help
from paramedics.
I was passed out.
The room was a mess because I knocked things over and
scattered papers all over the floor while stumbling around,
before the paramedics were called.

After treatment at a hospital emergency room,
I did what all diabetics do after such an extreme low BG;
I returned home to continue my life.

The next afternoon, the city fire inspector showed up,
stating that he received a call from the paramedics that
the room was unsafe and a fire hazard. He wanted to inspect.
This was a direct result of my hypoglycemic episode, and
NOT a normal state of the room.
His only reason for appearing was because of the request
for help which brought the paramedics into my room,
directly & specifically because of my diabetes.

If this is not discrimination, I don't know what is.
I am not sure how to resolve this as my funds for
legal help are very limited.

Any suggestions?

--------------------------

DETAILED VERSION:

I do not know how to resolve this problem,
but I am open for suggestions that will preserve my rights.

As I posted in another thread, I had a severe hypoglycemic event
that required being taken to the hospital emergency room for
treatment. That is a normal procedure for someone who is
passed out from a low BG, and can not be brought around.

When the paramedics arrived, from what I have been told,
I was passed out on the floor of my room, with a small size
metal typing table, (used for my mouse & keyboard), on its
side, over my legs, the mouse cord wrapped around my arm,
and a nine inch TV on my chest. (I believe the TV had been
lifted off of my chest before they got there, but it was
on its side on the floor, next to me, because the cord was
tangled in the legs of the toppled table. In addition to that,
I am a writer/artist, and have an assortment of projects
all over the place, with lots of papers, notes, works in
progress, research materials, books, magazines,
video & film/computer projects---In short, a lot of items that
are a part of my environment and a part of my life.
Most of the printed materials or papers & notes were among
items spread out over an "L" shaped couch. There were also
several boxes with newspapers or magazines. They are not always
a part of the room, but they were there on this particular day.
Unfortunately, I had knocked a lot of items all over the place.

I can only surmise what occurred in this instance, but it seems
likely that because I was lying down, my BG got far too low
while I was asleep, and when I finally got up, I fell over,
or knocked over a table, TV, and many papers. I may have even
tried to pick up some spilled papers, and dropped them
again, or knocked over additional ones.
When the paramedics arrived, I was on the floor, which was
covered with papers, magazines, and other reading material,
plus the other items I mentioned. It looked like a hurricane
had been through the room. I know this because I saw it when
I got back home.
OK, my fault. I had a big mess to clean up. That's life.

I did not want to toss everything into the trash.
I needed to sort through the items to save the important
papers and notes.

So, when I got back from the hospital, I had my work cut out
for me. The room I use is a den/study that has one wall of
built-in book shelves for computer & video/audio equipment,
and, of course books. There is also an L-shaped couch, and
a bed, as it serves as my primary space, and includes a
separate entrance to the outside. Naturally, I have access to
the rest of the house, as well. Because of my background in
film & television work, I have more than an average amount of
monitors, VCR's, & other electronic equipment in the room,
all connected by heavy-duty extension outlets with built-in
1500 watt circut-breakers. The surge protector for the computer
has all the computer paraphernalia plugged into it,
which it is designed to handle. The computer, monitor, and
a lamp with a 100 watt light bulb are far less than the maximum
1500 watts from the circut-breaker on the outlet,
or the 1800 watts on standard fused or breaker protected
American household wiring, and perfectly safe.

It is not an overly large room, and the amount of available
floor space was covered with papers and items that had been
knocked over by me.
So, I had a daunting task of clean-up ahead of me.

What happens the very next day, Monday afternoon?
The city fire safety inspector shows up, with a community
co-ordinator flunkie, as a witness, to tell me that
the paramedics said there was an unsafe condition in the
room, which constituted a fire hazard!
They wanted to inspect the interior of the room/house.
My city does not have interior inspections unless one is
applying for a grant or selling a house, but if any city
inspectors are voluntarily let into the house, they can
inspect the whole **** thing. The house is 64 years old,
and if one is looking for flaws on any house over
50 years old, they can find something. I don't need an
repair list of pseudo-flaws for cracked plaster or old paint, etc.
The house is basically sound.

The issue, however, is why they showed up with a request,
at this point, for an interior inspection?
The paramedics were called because there was a specific
medical problem that needed immediate attention.
The disarray in the room was a direct result of that medical
problem. The paramedics were called for help because there
was a need for help over the result of this very issue.
This, IMO, is a worst-case instance of discrimination
because of a hypoglycemic episode from my diabetes.

They also complained about the electrical connections,
calling them unsafe. Guess the paramedics are also subbing
as electrical inspectors. The connections have been safe for
the past eight years, and meet the standards as described above.

Needless to say, I didn't let them in, but the end result
will be that they can get a warrant to force us to let them enter.
Their SOLE reason for wanting to see the room, (which will
mean the entire house), is because of the report from the
paramedics. This makes it a DIRECT RESULT of my diabetes,
for a specific and unique medical condition at that time.

People with diabetes are protected by the Americans with
Disabilities Act from discrimination, but that applies mostly
to discrimination in the workplace, although diabetics were
given the right to carry medical & testing supplies, plus
candy or other carb-source-items to concerts, where such
actions were previously prevented.
There might be a possibility under the A.D.A.,
but I don't know who to contact with a sympathetic ear.
The Federal Government does not necessarily want to be
involved in a local Housing Court, which is where this will
be headed. And, I might add that Housing Court is the prime
example of a Kangaroo Court in America.
Of course, if they would sue the city in a Federal Court,
that would be ideal, but this issue is not the primary point of the A.D.A.

I contacted the American Diabetes ***'n. and
a local diabetes group.
Both offered a sympathetic ear, but no real help.
The ADA sent a form to fill out, with discrimination info, but
it is about work related diabetes discrimination.

The logical viewpoint might be to say clean up the mess and
let them in. Well, I have already been through that!
Tried that approach four years ago. At that time, I just needed
some IV glucose which they gave me in the house.
But, my Mother had been tricked by the housing inspectors
into letting them into the house, and they were complaining
that I had too many processions. I kid you not!
I had put up extra shelves in the dining-room, for books,
and they said it was a fire hazard. When I asked what
books I was not allowed to have, they changed it to
too much stuff & clutter. They even said if I needed the
paramedics, they would not be able to enter the rooms,
which was nonsense. As a result of that, when the paramedics
did show up and gave me the IV glucose, I told them, "I guess
the housing inspector was wrong. You were able to enter the
house and treat me." I shouldn't have taunted them, but I
couldn't resist. They reported us to the housing inspector,
and that started one of the most emotionally torturous episodes
I have ever been through. If you have never had anyone invade
the privacy of your home and sanctuary, and try to tell you
what they think you are allowed to have, and where to put it,
then you have no idea what that experience is like,
which is the case for most people. This is not some kind of a
nut-house with every empty can of food I ever ate from the
last ten years, or 87 cats with no liter pans, or even with
liter pans. It is a perfectly normal house.
The end result of that last time was that I made a video tape
of my elderly Mom walking through the house, to show that
there was plenty of room without any problems.

Now, they are trying to start all over, again.
I didn't cry discrimination last time. I tried to co-operate.
It didn't work.
This is directly related to my diabetes.
It is the sole reason for the issue.
It is wrong. It is discrimination.

I do not know if I can get anyone to listen, and then,
act on my behalf.
I'll certainly have to find a way to express the whole idea
with less words. But, it seems when I leave out some info,
someone asks about it.

Any suggestions on how to solve this problem of
diabetes related discrimination?
--------------------------------------------------

DeusXM
03-08-2004, 09:27 AM
Usually, I like to be a productive member of this forum.

However, sometimes, some people really push you over the edge.

One thing I can't stand is hypocrisy.

WiseWords, do you remember posting the following?


Sorry if the truth offends you.
I do think there were clear points that I made about
a person with diabetes being able to do whatever
anyone else does.
But I also made the common sense point that one
does need to use some common sense.

It does shatter our egos if we have to admit that
some things are not ideal for us to do.
But, putting other people's lives at risk,
just because we want to prove something, is foolish.

And...

I have observed throughout my life that most of my
peers with diabetes have been at the forefront of activity,
often-times in a less-than-safe sense, or a sense of
poor judgment. I attributed such actions to a
need to prove that they were as good as others.
I never regarded actions of poor choice by others
as being things that I wanted to compete for, and
I always believed that my diabetes did not limit me.
Consequently, I never felt the need to prove myself for
things which didn't matter. But I aways felt that
diabetics were leaders, rather than followers, and
that the sense of competition was greatest among other diabetics.
Unfortunately, sometimes the competition was pointless;
bragging about what one could eat, or ingesting illegal
substances, and other forms of reckless abandonment that
don't really amount to a hill of beans.

Whilst I fully sympathise with you and think you're being phenomenally unfairly treated because of your diabetes, I do think it's a bit rich for you to berate others for coming here and seeking support for the same reason, and then asking for some kind of sympathy yourself.

Face facts. You're in a room with a load of electrical equipment all over the place, loads of paper, and an elderly woman. Your room IS a fire hazard, regardless of whether it was made that way by you having a hypo. The fire inspection officers are just doing their job, protecting the public, in the same way that those who would block TShelton's application to become a police officer are protecting the public, according to you.

The fact that this has happened before to you suggests that your house very much might be a genuine fire hazard.

You're offended by some government officials 'invading your home'? How do you think TShelton felt when you invaded his dreams and told him he was acting like a spoilt brat not getting his own way?

I think you sound like a 13 year old kid who's upset because
he can't have it his way !
You certainly don't sound like the kind of police officer I would
prefer to deal with, although many of those macho cops have
attitudes like your's.

Who's the spoilt brat now?

The point of this post? Just a not so subtle reminder - don't you suddenly get a very different perspective on discrimination when it happens to you?

I wish you all the best and good luck to you in your legal case, should you decide to persue it - I hope that not only do you win, but you also learn something too.

lgvincent
03-08-2004, 10:44 AM
Can you get help from some type of legal services?

Shalyndria
03-08-2004, 11:36 AM
Deus,
Please, take a bow!!
*APPLAUDING*
:thumbsup:

Shy

HeatherP
03-08-2004, 06:38 PM
"liter" is spelled w/ 2 t's as in kittylitter. Liter (w/ one "t") is a unit of measurement.

defibvt
03-08-2004, 09:37 PM
I guess I don't see discrimination here. I see a concerned EMS worker who saw what he thought was an unsafe condition. He was concerned about you and your mother's welfare outside of the diabetes reaction.

Jon
03-08-2004, 10:08 PM
WiseWords, I don't want you to feel like you are being ganged up on, but from reading some of your other posts, it seems that you have a tendency to say things that would be better off not said. I can't help but wonder if you said something to offend the paramedics, making them want to retaliate.

On the other hand, it sounds like this is not their first visit to your house. Paramedics have a difficult job. Their job is to get to the patient, then keep him/her alive until they get to the hospital. Often, that involves two of them carrying you on a stretcher through your home and into an ambulance. If there are alot of obstacles, it makes their job that much tougher.

Think of it from their point of view. Here is a house with an elderly woman and a diabetic who sometimes goes unconcious. They get into the home, and see you lying in the middle of a room with cords plugged into power strips, appliances on the floor, papers everywhere. Maybe their was even something else going on that you left out. These people put out fires on a regular basis. Maybe they just put out a fire that was started by an electrical problem. Maybe people died as a result.

They probably walked into your place and imagined how difficult it would be to find you and your mom if the place had gone up in flames. A situation like that could put their lives at risk.

Then they realise that you don't even appreciate what they are doing for you. Your other post on this subject mentioned what a lousy job you thought they did.

As you may have noticed from other posts on this board, when you offend people, they respond in a negative way. I don't think you intentionally offend people, but sometimes you just have to bite your tongue. You mentioned that when the paramedics showed up, you taunted them.

I think you have a lot of anger. It is perfectly natural considering what you have to go through as a diabetic, but it is not helping you. I think it might be in your best interest to get some counceling, or join a diabetes support group. When my son was diagnosed, I dealt with a lot of anger too. In fact, I still get irritated when people make a big deal out of little things, because I start thinking that if they had to spend one day in my or my sons shoes, they wouldn't survive it. They don't know what real problems are. But I have learned not to dwell on it, and to stay positive.

I think the best thing you can do, is clean the place up, invite the inspector in to see it, and write a letter to the paramedics thanking them for keeping you alive and getting you to the hospital. If they feel appreciated, they may drive a little faster next time they get a call to your address.

I am sorry if I sound like I am being hard on you. I do sympathise with what you are going through. I hope you take this as constructive criticism, because that is how it is meant.

Jon

WiseWords
03-09-2004, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by Jon
WiseWords, I don't want you to feel like you are being ganged up on, but from reading some of your other posts, it seems that you have a tendency to say things that would be better off not said. I can't help but wonder if you said something to offend the paramedics, making them want to retaliate.
No. If you had comprehended what I said, you would
have realized that I was passed out at the time.
Didn't say anything to them.

On the other hand, it sounds like this is not their first visit to your house. Paramedics have a difficult job. Their job is to get to the patient, then keep him/her alive until they get to the hospital. Often, that involves two of them carrying you on a stretcher through your home and into an ambulance. If there are alot of obstacles, it makes their job that much tougher.
That is why it is called an emergency.
They were able to carry me on a stretcher.
Difficulty is the very nature of that job.
However, there is a vast difference between a normal, daily
situation vs the specific circumstances of that instance.
Think of it from their point of view. Here is a house with an elderly woman and a diabetic who sometimes goes unconcious. They get into the home, and see you lying in the middle of a room with cords plugged into power strips, appliances on the floor, papers everywhere. Maybe their was even something else going on that you left out. These people put out fires on a regular basis. Maybe they just put out a fire that was started by an electrical problem. Maybe people died as a result.
Maybe those things have nothing to do with me.
I realize that many people do not understand how many
watts of power can be handled by a 15 amp fuse or breaker.
That was why I explained it and emphasized that the
power strip would cut off at an even lower wattage than
that of the household wiring. Therefore, a fire is not
possible. Some people do not realize that if they have
2,3, or 4 electrical outlets in a room, they are usually all on
one fused circuit---no different that using a power strip.
In fact the power strip is better because it has an additional
breaker on the strip. It can't be overloaded.
If you add up all the items from the average computer that
use electricity, the total is far less than 1800 watts,
which is the allowable maximum on a 15amp circuit.

They probably walked into your place and imagined how difficult it would be to find you and your mom if the place had gone up in flames. A situation like that could put their lives at risk.
But that wasn't/isn't the situation.
That's the whole point.
Then they realise that you don't even appreciate what they are doing for you. Your other post on this subject mentioned what a lousy job you thought they did.
Considering that they left me without glucose
for at least 30 minutes because they couldn't find a vein,
I think that was a really lousy job on their part.
As you may have noticed from other posts on this board, when you offend people, they respond in a negative way. I don't think you intentionally offend people, but sometimes you just have to bite your tongue. You mentioned that when the paramedics showed up, you taunted them.
That was a previous time, and in relation to
the fact that I had been told paramedics might not be able
to get through the house, which I considered to be nonsense.
Turned out I was right. My only mistake was telling them that I was.
If one was going to live a "protected" life, then keeping
all diabetics in an empty room with padded walls would be
much safer for them and any personnel that comes in contact
with them. Somehow, I doubt that you would want that for
your son.
It would also be safer if no diabetic was allowed to drive an
automobile, least they cause an accident if they have
a severely low BG. But, we do not live our lives based on
what ifs, especially within the confines of one's own home,
if it is otherwise "normal."
When the system can tell me that they can come into my
house to check it solely because I have diabetes and might
need help in the future, then they are taking away my rights
and yours.
And yes, I am angry, which is a normal and appropriate
response when a person with diabetes is singled out and
treated differently than those without this medical condition.
Such treatment is discrimination.
Making a winning legal case out of it, is difficult.
I think you have a lot of anger. It is perfectly natural considering what you have to go through as a diabetic, but it is not helping you. I think it might be in your best interest to get some counceling, or join a diabetes support group. When my son was diagnosed, I dealt with a lot of anger too. In fact, I still get irritated when people make a big deal out of little things, because I start thinking that if they had to spend one day in my or my
sons shoes, they wouldn't survive it. They don't know what real problems are. But I have learned not to dwell on it, and to stay positive.
Staying positive in the face of discrimination has caused
a lot of problems for a lot of people. I know that you were
accused of not properly taking care of your son. That was
also discrimination. So was making him the laughing stock
of the whole school by allowing a sign to be put up with his
picture, in the school cafeteria. I'm not saying that there
wasn't a problem with your son's attitude. I suspected
a learning disability, which you have said there is not,
or, something to do with the apparent lack of a
Mother figure in his life, which may still be an issue.
But if I had a son in a school where his picture was
posted on the wall for every other kid in that school
cafeteria to see, I would have been up there that day
to demand its removal. If they had refused,
I'd have gotten a lawyer. If they wanted to help, they could
have placed it in an employee area where the rest of the
school would not have seen it as a reason to make your kid
the butt of their jokes. Besides, how many employees
are running the cash register, and how long would it
take them to memorize his picture? What they did to
him, was discrimination. And you, went along with the program.

I think the best thing you can do, is clean the place up, invite the inspector in to see it, and write a letter to the paramedics thanking them for keeping you alive and getting you to the hospital. If they feel appreciated, they may drive a little faster next time they get a call to your address.
By the time I have another reaction, the same people may not even be working there. But the idea that I
should have to kiss azz to get the service that they are paid
to provide, whether they like me or not, is another example
of an attitude of discrimination.
I am sorry if I sound like I am being hard on you. I do sympathise with what you are going through. I hope you take this as constructive criticism, because that is how it is meant.
Jon
As I said, I did try the cooperative method
that you suggest, in the past. The discrimination did not stop.
I should have been more aggressive then, in a legal sense
and I wouldn't be facing this now.

lgvincent
03-09-2004, 11:38 AM
I have sometimes made a mess while in shock and the paramedics (and sometimes police) have never said anything about it.

Shalyndria
03-09-2004, 11:55 AM
Is there any equivalent to a gag on the internet?! One would certainly come in handy right now...

WWords,
However, there is a vast difference between a normal, daily situation vs the specific circumstances of that instance.
Yeah, the difference was it was you and your attitude, and not someone you're preaching to. Shoe hurts when it's on your own foot doesn't it?
But that wasn't/isn't the situation.That's the whole point
The whole point is that they're trained to see the situation as a whole, not focus on one thing. They see potential dangers, dangers that could possibly be life threatening and take appropriate action to prevent this. Not for fun, but because they're trying to help YOU!

But, we do not live our lives based on what ifs, especially within the confines of one's own home, if it is otherwise "normal."

According to previous posts by your own hand, you think we do. I don't really need to quote any now do I?
And yes, I am angry, which is a normal and appropriate
response when a person with diabetes is singled out and
treated differently than those without this medical condition.
Such treatment is discrimination.
Your anger might be met with more sympathy now had you given that same sympathy to others...

Please do not lower yourself into bringing Jon's son into this issue. You simply make yourself look smaller than you already look. Do us all a favor and get down off your high horse, please.

Shy

Gina
03-09-2004, 12:00 PM
Ok,

Listen, Did you ever think that maybe the paramedics or whoever came back to your house wanted to investigate the situation for police procedure, to make sure that maybe foul play was not involved....

I really dont think that you in this situation are a victim of Discrimination....I havent been online for a while so im not sure what everyone else is talking about about what has happend to you...

but to me it sounds like if you cry wolf enough times noone will answer you know what i mean....

Its fine if you would like to vent to everyone in the diabetes posts but i feel like getting opinions on this matter is something that a lawyer or someone qualified for this type of situation would be better for you....maybe you can get a free consultation somewhere if you can not afford it...I dont know....

I agree with Jon on this matter that you do have alot of anger that you need to deal with...we are here to help you with that because we are all in the same boat but as i said before you need someone better qualified...Discrimination is a big deal and if your going to say you were discriminated against by a paramedic no less you better be **** sure you k now what you are doing....I would rethink it because from what you wrote, if i were the paramedic I would definatly think something other then someone with a low blood sugar made a mess like that....If you have nothing to hide then let them in whats the difference....

At the Forums we chat about stuff and are on the most part happy or try to make people feel better your just making the whole diabetes forums get a bitter aura by trying to defend everything you say if you dont want to hear peoples opinions about what you write then you should think about what you are posting in the first place....This is not meant to be a mean or nasty post just a post to think about what you write before you write it thats all......

WiseWords
03-09-2004, 12:01 PM
Originally posted by DeusXM
...
Why you felt the need to quote other posts
which are unrelated to the issues of this one, is beyond me.
There is a vast difference between those issues and
this one.
To single me out for something that other people in the
city are not subjected to, is discrimination, and in this case,
a unique circumstance related directly to a diabetes
hypoglycemic episode, rather than the daily norm of the household.

Shalyndria
03-09-2004, 12:05 PM
OMG LMAO here....this is too rich....
Are you deliberately trying to start an argument here WWords?!

GAG PLEASE!!!

Shy

DeusXM
03-09-2004, 12:15 PM
My point is very simple. You're a hypocrite. You've criticised a variety of people on the board here for applying for certain jobs. Your logic? They might have a hypo and endager the lives of others. Therefore by your logic, they've got no right to claim they're being discriminated against.

Now let's have a look at your case. The paramedics clearly felt that your living arrangements could constitute a fire hazard, if you had a hypo, thus endangering the lives of others.

It's the exact same scenario, yet somehow you think you've got a right to claim you're being discriminated unfairly against, whereas other people don't.

You reap what you sow, sunshine. Your negative attitude on this board, especially with regard to 'limitations and expectations', has simply come back round to hang you. What do you expect when you insult an entire forum? It's a bit rich for you to come back seeking support for the same things that you've abused others for.

To single me out for something that other people in the
city are not subjected to, is discrimination, and in this case,
a unique circumstance related directly to a diabetes
hypoglycemic episode, rather than the daily norm of the household.

#1: If your house did catch fire as a result of you having a hypo, not only are you at risk, but also your elderly mother, your neighbours, and the fire crew that have to come put out the fire. Furthermore, anyone deemed a fire risk is going to be investigated by the authorities - not just you. Your house alone, with its masses of paper and electrical equipment probably constitutes a fire hazard in itself regardless of whether you have diabetes or not.
#2: TShelton argued that he'd make a good police officer because he's very fit, and then he's able to ensure that hypos aren't the daily norm of the household. You called him childish and immature.

It's the same argument again, but this time, because you're on the sharp end of the pole, you think you've got a right to moan whilst you'd deny us that right.

You've already admitted on previous occasions that your mouth gets you into trouble since you seem incapable of thinking before you speak.

Sadly, you also seem incapable of learning from your mistakes by too.

Gina
03-09-2004, 12:33 PM
Ok guys,

As a former moderator of the Diabetes Forums... I feel the need to Step in here and Report this to Tony or Tautry its getting out of hand and quite frankly its getting on my nerves....Its a pointless thread!

Shalyndria
03-09-2004, 01:52 PM
Gina,
Too late lol I think the 6 or 7 of us ahead of you previously involved in this beat ya to it.

Shy

Gina
03-09-2004, 02:17 PM
I cant wait to get my admin back hahaha

WiseWords
03-09-2004, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by Gina
Ok,

Listen, Did you ever think that maybe the paramedics or whoever came back to your house wanted to investigate the situation for police procedure, to make sure that maybe foul play was not involved....
I did not think that because they
specifically stated the reason for showing up, and
they had pulled this fiasco once before, when I had
attempted to cooperate by inviting them in.
That was when I found out that if they are voluntarily
invited inside, they can do a complete interior inspection,
(which otherwise is not done), and, which would be contrary
to the very reason that they said they wanted to gain entrance!
I really dont think that you in this situation are a victim of Discrimination....I havent been online for a while so im not sure what everyone else is talking about about what has happend to you...

but to me it sounds like if you cry wolf enough times noone will answer you know what i mean....
I really don't know what you mean, Gina.
There is no wolf-crying. The city wants to single me out for
an inspection, based totally on a diabetes related event.
They also know, because I told them why the room was in
a mess, and my Mother commented to the paramedics that
I had knocked over these items because I was so low.
There was no doubt about why this had happened.
Its fine if you would like to vent to everyone in the diabetes posts but i feel like getting opinions on this matter is something that a lawyer or someone qualified for this type of situation would be better for you....maybe you can get a free consultation somewhere if you can not afford it...I dont know....
I was not looking to vent as much as to
illustrate yet another form of diabetes discrimination.
I think that as diabetics, we need to be aware of some
of the outrageous things are done to us.
The government seems to agree, which is why they include
diabetes under the protections of the Americans with Disabilities Act.
I am not sure that I like being considered disabled, but
within the limits of the bureaucracy, it serves it's purpose.

I agree with Jon on this matter that you do have alot of anger that you need to deal with...we are here to help you with that because we are all in the same boat but as i said before you need someone better qualified...Discrimination is a big deal and if your going to say you were discriminated against by a paramedic no less you better be **** sure you k now what you are doing....I would rethink it because from what you wrote, if i were the paramedic I would definatly think something other then someone with a low blood sugar made a mess like that....If you have nothing to hide then let them in whats the difference....
Gina dear, the difference is one of our rights!
I am not entirely surprised that you may find it hard to believe,
as you have not had diabetes all that long, and you are
controlled on a pump. I've had diabetes longer than
you've been alive. Usually, I do fairly well, within the limits of
my specific situation. This was a real flub for me. But, it can
happen on rare occasions. If one has a drastically low BG,
they can be pretty unsteady. Before I passed out, I most likely
bumped into items, and probably knocked over more stuff
as I tried to fix it. I may not have been completely passed out,
but I just couldn't get up. Didn't help to have a table & TV
on top of me. But I described it in detail, only to emphasize
what happened and the basic layout of the room. I don't
want to repeat my long-winded version, but I also do not
think that it is at all unusual or out-of-place to have had
papers on a couch, both newspapers & writing paper.
I still use a pen & paper; not everything goes into the
computer. But people with an extremely low BG can
create such a mess.

I also was not blaming the paramedics for the discrimination,
but the city who wants to pursue an inspection based on
a report over an isolated diabetes event.
You have no idea what all of this can lead to. I do.
I had to argue with them in the past over my right to
have books in my house! I just became aware
yesterday of another diabetic who was told she had
too many books. And they were on shelves, as are mine.

Unless they are going to inspect everyone's house or room
when it is at its worst, then they are treating me differently
because of my diabetes. Thems the facts.

At the Forums we chat about stuff and are on the most part happy or try to make people feel better your just making the whole diabetes forums get a bitter aura by trying to defend everything you say if you dont want to hear peoples opinions about what you write then you should think about what you are posting in the first place....This is not meant to be a mean or nasty post just a post to think about what you write before you write it thats all......
I know what is chatted about on the forums.
Not everything about diabetes is happy-talk.
It is important that as adults, we face that.
I made two separate posts because one was to share my
recent experience with this very low BG, in the event that
someone might learn something, as many others have done
with similar experiences.
The other thread,(this one), was to gather info and opinions
about what I feel is a clear case of diabetes discrimination.
It has served quite well to refresh my mind with regard to
the attitudes I need to deal with from the city.
I wasn't looking for any legal advice or funding, but
rather, to discuss yet another area of discrimination.

It may have gotten somewhat off-track because some
people used it as a chance to jump at me for other
comments I made. I am not going to repeat them, because
they can be read in their entirety, rather than out-of-context,
although I do stand by what I said for the reasons that
I expressed in those threads. I do think that getting a
job in a high-risk situation is vastly different than the
issue I brought up here.

Even though this is not the case, if this was a house
filled with garbage, such as we occasionally see on TV,
they would still not have the right to single me out for
an interior inspection based solely on my diabetes.
Doing so is discrimination, and that is what they are
attempting to do.
;)

Katjic
03-09-2004, 02:49 PM
I Can't believe this!!
With all due respect, I think what happened to you has nothing to do with diabetes. They would do the same – in conditions like that- diabetic or no diabetic. Your house looked unsafe period.
Can we please end this discussion already?

Tony
03-09-2004, 03:22 PM
Discussion ended.