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RbS14
03-20-2004, 11:07 AM
Now I have had iabetes for seven years now, and like all of you I would like to just wake up and it be gone, but we all know thats not going to happen.

Im sure you have all seen those products like Dia-Care, that claim they can heal you're pancreas and you will be cured. $300 for a couple months supply, **** it should come sittin in the seat of a Benz dont you think?

My question to you all is has anyone ever actually spent this rediculous amount of money to try this stuff, Im just curious of the results?

TAutry
03-20-2004, 12:13 PM
Hi RBS,

Thanks for bringing up this topic. I have also wondered if anyone really falls for those things.

It is sad that so many scams are out there waiting to take advantage of those of us with chronic medical conditions. Every disease has a host of charlatans chasing around promising some 'miracle cure'.

I, fortunately, haven't fallen for any of them. I don't claim to be the paragon of diabetes management, but my approach works for me. I take my shots, watch my eating, exercise and monitor frequently.

Travis

Belinda
03-20-2004, 02:34 PM
If there was a quick fix don't you think the Drs. would have told us by now?

Ashtur
03-20-2004, 02:41 PM
Oh, but you see, they don't want us to know, because we are nothing more than profit margins to them. If they actually cured us, they'd all be destitute in a week :p

I'm already tired of that line :)

statdeac
03-20-2004, 02:51 PM
Originally posted by Ashtur
Oh, but you see, they don't want us to know, because we are nothing more than profit margins to them. If they actually cured us, they'd all be destitute in a week :p

I'm already tired of that line :) It sure is easy to get cynical about all this, especially about a disease like this that is so expensive (and profitable, no doubt) to treat. However, with all the research dollars being raised through the efforts of JDRF, the ADA and other organizations around the world looking for answers, I refuse to go THERE in my mind. Call me an idealist...I just cant!

Harold
03-20-2004, 03:44 PM
My question to you all is has anyone ever actually spent this rediculous amount of money to try this stuff, Im just curious of the results?


I have also wondered if anyone really falls for those things.

Sadly there are a lot of people that are desperate and/or just old and feable. There's the gullible and uneducated that will try anything but what the medical professionals tell them.

In my own case my mother fell for the "Sea Silver" against my recomendation. After all a son can not know more than his mother. So after her bg's were in the 400's regularly her nurse finally talked her into taking her insulin again. My personal feallings are that these people should be prosecuted as ordinary thiefs.

Ashtur
03-20-2004, 04:23 PM
Fully agreed, of course. Yeah, there are a few companies out there that would take a hit in the profit margin if some lab managed to come out with the "magic bullet". Besides, there is so much money being contributed by groups other than the drug companies, like the stuff you mentioned, and the various world governments for that matter.

I've just run across that particular conspiricy threory any number of times already, so I thought I'd go ahead and lampoon it :-

Besides, as one person said one time, yeah, those companies would take a hit, but what would be worse was if someone cured it, and they didn't have a piece of it! So, alongside all the other drug races, they want to be sure that it's *their* cure



It sure is easy to get cynical about all this, especially about a disease like this that is so expensive (and profitable, no doubt) to treat. However, with all the research dollars being raised through the efforts of JDRF, the ADA and other organizations around the world looking for answers, I refuse to go THERE in my mind. Call me an idealist...I just cant!

rzrbks
03-20-2004, 05:02 PM
There is only one cure that works for sure. It is-----


The Chocolate Cure


You eat chocolate until either you burst or they take you away to the hospital--at which point friends smuggle chocolate to you until you don't need any more insulin--'course you don'y need anything else, but What the Hey

Harold
03-20-2004, 05:17 PM
Yeah and it won't cost you a 100 dollars an ounce.

Belinda
03-20-2004, 06:05 PM
LOL Rzrbks

RbS14
03-20-2004, 08:09 PM
right I think I'll try that too.


I have also heard the one about the cure being less profitable than the treatment, Some people just speak without thinking.

However, I do wonder why there isnt more out there , as far as a cure goes, for Diabetics. Even as advanced as medicine is today.

In my case The thing I hate most about having type 1 diabetes is the fact that I am a slave to it. Even though my sugar rarely gets higher than 140 I still have to take every minute of every day to make sure it stays that way. It gets old after a while...

I get so excited when I see **** like the Pig embryo cell transplant, Wow maybe it will work the same when they try the procedure on humans and my great great grandkids might have a cure..........

shamsul
03-20-2004, 09:47 PM
I heard that vanilla ice cream works too!

Ashtur
03-20-2004, 09:51 PM
Someone posted this over at the ADA forums tonight...


I have been suffering for a year now with Type II, three weeks ago I found a set of plants from south america, I have been taking it for the 3 weeks now and my blood sugar has dropped to 100 during the day and I have stopped taking actos, amryl, glucophage for 2 days now and my blood sugar has remained at 100 except when I eat, then it goes to 150 and returns back to 100 within a few hours, I can sleep now, I have energy and feel wonderful. I don't know why no one has discovered it yet, but it is real.


Are we excited?

mg_2204
03-21-2004, 03:56 AM
... if there was anything like a quick fix, a miracle cure... it would be all over the news. And available to all! So until then...

Marie
:)

DeusXM
03-21-2004, 08:24 AM
As for 'mystical plants curing diabetes'.....

If you're a T2, hey, why not try and stop taking your usual tablets, and just smoke weed and take speed instead? They'll lower your blood sugar too!

Of course you'll probably die of a heart attack or lung cancer too, but at least you won't be diabetic.

Doesn't surprise me in the least that there are plants out there that have the property of reducing blood sugar/promoting insulin action. It's just that probably the regular tablets work better for more people.

If there is going to ever be a cure for diabetes, it's never going to come in a handy 'take one pill' form. Diabetes is a physiological disorder, your pancreas is literally broken. The only way you're going to able to fix that is via some as-yet undeveloped gene therapy, stem cells (rather promising), or transplant. In any case, I can only see the cure for diabetes being surgically based.

Harold
03-21-2004, 08:56 AM
Are we excited?

NO

my blood sugar has remained at 100 except when I eat, then it goes to 150 and returns back to 100 within a few hours,

Okay, whatever they mean by a few hours. For some a few may mean 3-4 and for others 7-8. Regardless, what kind af A1c do you think this person would have after three months of this?



I have been taking it for the 3 weeks now and my blood sugar has dropped to 100 during the day and I have stopped taking actos, amryl, glucophage for 2 days now

Excuse me! They been taking it for three weeks and have only quit their other meds for two days and now they are cured. It takes like three or for weeks for the meds to really take effect. Are we going to fall for this when it will take longer than two days for them to wash out of their system? Think Not:D

RbS14
03-21-2004, 03:05 PM
Forget a transplant Id rather take 10 shots a day than Immuno-suppressive drugs....

rzrbks
03-22-2004, 02:53 PM
RbS14

However, I do wonder why there isnt more out there , as far as a cure goes, for Diabetics. Even as advanced as medicine is today.


In my case The thing I hate most about having type 1 diabetes is the fact that I am a slave to it. Even though my sugar rarely gets higher than 140 I still have to take every minute of every day to make sure it stays that way. It gets old after a while



Read the stories of the people who had to boil their syringes, sharpen the needles on whetstones, used #1 Gauge needles, pee on strips to get a "Sorta" Blood Reading--when I read about those folks I feel as if "I'm Living the High Life"


'Course I get tired of it too, but then after I've felt sorry for myself for a while, I pull out their stories and read them and I pull myself up out of the doledrums realizing how good we've got it now--and to that the "Lobster-clawed, non-invasive B/G checker" that's on the horizon and things feel better.

RbS14
03-22-2004, 07:23 PM
I have e-mailed Dr. Hammerman ( the Person doing the pig embryo to rats transplant). He says he's looking to start on primates asap but he needs to find a partner with experience in primates.
why cant they just take someone like you or I, with diabetes, perform the procedure If its a success hooray for all, if not well big deal your still a diabetic....

Its easy for you to say you feel like your living the high life in comparison, I come from a military family, If your not in the military your not **** and guess what??? I cant join because of some BS illness I got a few years back From prolonged high levels of Stress my doctor's said, well maybe next lifetime huh?

you all may not understand these goals, but some of us would live no other way.

rzrbks
03-22-2004, 07:48 PM
RbS14

Its easy for you to say you feel like your living the high life in comparison, I come from a military family, If your not in the military your not **** and guess what??? I cant join because of some BS illness I got a few years back From prolonged high levels of Stress my doctor's said, well maybe next lifetime huh?


Really?
I was the first male in entire family not to be in the Military. And I was turned down during the Viet Nam War.

RbS14
03-22-2004, 08:00 PM
Because you cannot be without your meds.

RbS14
03-22-2004, 08:03 PM
And maybe you had different goals set for yourself than I?
I had to go another way.
College is a fine alternative I guess.

RbS14
03-22-2004, 08:07 PM
You should try the chocolate cure, it realy works.