Natural control of diabetes

[Bibleteacher]

Dear people

Hi I am new here.
I was diagnosed with diabetes type 2 my bg was 467 at the time. my A1C was 9.9 this was in July 2006
the doctor put me in metformin and glyburide, but I do not trust drugs, I have never liked medicine in a pill so I rejected the standard treatment and decided to try a different approach.

I had never cared about diet and nutrition, but now I was interested.
I am a bible teacher so I decided to instead get my healing from the Bible.
I searched the word of God and saw what God had to say about eating and health and by following the Bible. I was able to reduce my A1C to 4.6 on november 2006.

In december my average wake up bg was 91.68

Right now my january wake up average bg is 91.38

I do not take any drugs, I just follow the Bible and I am doing great.

You might think I am exagerating but I have proof of everything I say, I have the hospital results of my A1C, and I keep a daily excel spreadsheet.

My weight in on July was 260 pounds
my last weigth check on January 8 was 213 pounds
a loss of 47 pounds in 6 months

[issysmommy]

Do tell...what did you do? what did it say?

[sweetcheeks]

what scriptures was this in, i have been recently saved, great job on the weight loss, ive lost 51 lbs in 3 months and I did ask God for help when I was first diagnosed, and also continued to thank him for the good job ive been doing and for the weight loss

[Bibleteacher]

dear sweetcheeks

I have been a bible teacher for a long time so it is not about a single particular scripture but about the whole understanding of God's word.

1. first.
The first thing we must understand is that God in his infinite wisdom created good things for us to eat. The book of genesis says that God created everything good, and that he gave adam and eve every fruit and green herb of the garden to eat.
we have to understand that foods in their natural state was the original plan for us to eat. the first thing to do is to abandon men's plan of processing foods.
we have to go back to eating foods in their natural state, just the way God made them without any artificial flavors, colorings, or preservatives.

That is why I stopped eating processed foods and have gone back to a natural food diet. I no longer eat anything that comes in a box or a can.

2. second.
we have to understand the way people in the Bible ate. we have to see what foods they ate and how they ate.
per example we see in the scriptures that the children of Israel ate fish, onions and garlic while they were in egypt. these foods give excellent nutrition and allowed the children of Israel to thrive.

3. Third
we have to realize that God gave us the perect diet plan in the levitical food laws. the precepts taught in leviticus 11 and deuteronomy 14 were not created for a religious purpose but they were sound nutrition advice directly from God himself.

I have a lot more to teach but these three should be good for a starting point

[wiseguy]

I have been a bible teacher for a long time so it is not about a single particular scripture but about the whole understanding of God's word.

1. first.
The first thing we must understand is that God in his infinite wisdom created good things for us to eat. The book of genesis says that God created everything good, and that he gave adam and eve every fruit and green herb of the garden to eat.
we have to understand that foods in their natural state was the original plan for us to eat. the first thing to do is to abandon men's plan of processing foods.
we have to go back to eating foods in their natural state, just the way God made them without any artificial flavors, colorings, or preservatives.

That is why I stopped eating processed foods and have gone back to a natural food diet. I no longer eat anything that comes in a box or a can.

2. second.
we have to understand the way people in the Bible ate. we have to see what foods they ate and how they ate.
per example we see in the scriptures that the children of Israel ate fish, onions and garlic while they were in egypt. these foods give excellent nutrition and allowed the children of Israel to thrive.

3. Third
we have to realize that God gave us the perect diet plan in the levitical food laws. the precepts taught in leviticus 11 and deuteronomy 14 were not created for a religious purpose but they were sound nutrition advice directly from God himself.

I have a lot more to teach but these three should be good for a starting point
It's great to hear that you are controlling your BG without drugs. I'm also one to use drugs only as a last resort.

What you have derived from the Bible is the same thing that nutritionists have been telling us for years. It's also common knowledge that many type 2 diabetics can control their BG by eating moderate amounts of unprocessed food. I too am controlling my BG without drugs with similar results to what you have reported. I base my diet on scientific research. Religion has nothing to do with it.

As you might have guessed, I am not a religious person. I do, however, have the highest respect for those of you that are.

[rwmetcalf]

For anybody interested in trying this same method, there are other resources already available to help you learn to eat healthy as the Bible would have you do, without having to search scripture to do so. Try these:

The Maker's Diet Book by Dr. Jordan S. Rubin
The Bible Diet: 40 Days to Cleanliness by Rosemary Sue Ellis

Though having to search the scriptures for nutrition advice can be a good thing as you would read and learn so much more! I've also read that the bible diets are the newest diet fad, but I would have to say that good advice is good advice. They call Atkins a fad, but how many of us on this forum follow his diet to some degree now that we have diabetes?

Regards,
Roger

[TAutry]

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[mg_2204]

The Bible Diet: 40 Days to Cleanliness by Rosemary Sue Ellis

Came across that book and flipped through it. What makes it work well : the unprocessed foods. Which reminds me... as of late, I have been drinking milk. I used to. Years ago! BG has been behaving. Why??! I don't have a clue. Of course I was tempted to dunk a few cookies in the milk but I guess BG would THEN not behave as much... :proud:

[cheryl]

I agree with your diet plan as the bible states it. It makes alot of sense. I noticed if I stay away from a lot of things my insulin sensitivity goes up. I grew up with half the family eating all natural from the bible and a religous diet too, the other side the richer the fatter the sweeter the better.....So I struggled a lot which I am so not perfect but I do believe in the all natural eat what God has made only aproach, but I guess it is still hard for me to give up everything but giving up a lot I noticed a huge drop in insulin requirements.....Good post I think

Cheryl

[Bibleteacher]

Having read some of these responses let me clarify a few things.

Some people may consider bible based diets to be a new fad, however this type of eating was the norm for thousands of years among the jewish people, although many have deviated from it in modern times.
so bible based diets are not some new fad, but an ancient practice.

I Have read The Maker's Diet Book by Dr. Jordan S. Rubin and I considered it a good book, but Jordan only touches a few aspects of biblical nutrition, there is so much more that he does not mention.

I have not read The Bible Diet: 40 Days to Cleanliness by Rosemary Sue Ellis, but I hope to read it soon.

the other point that I want to make is that my teachings might be controversial to some, however look at the results from following a Bible based system.
I would say that going from an A1C of 9.9 in July 22 to an A1C of 4.6 in November 23 (four months) is a prety good argument.
Of course there will be people who doubt, but I do not worry, because I have all the medical documentation to prove my case.

[slipperyelm]

Are you saying you eat kosher?

Do you eat only foods mentioned in your bible?

If a food is out of season, do you still eat it fresh, even if you must import it from the other hemisphere? Is that bible natural? Relatedly, what is wrong with canned food? Bringing your food from thousands of miles away by jet or ocean ship seems to me less natural than eating the canned green beans grown in your own garden or even the green beans from the can bought at the grocery stor, but grown in the farm a few hundred miles from you.

I'm not skeptaical about your A1c decrease of 5.3 percentage points as my own dropped by 7.8 percentage points over a similar period eating the ADA recommended way. Currently my average BGL is 87 ml.dL despite my unbiblical bacon consumption.

[Bibleteacher]

Dear slipperyelm

regarding your questions

slipperyelm: Are you saying you eat kosher?
I am not Jewish so I do not eat 100% kosher.

slipperyelm: Do you eat only foods mentioned in your bible?
I eat other foods not mentioned in the Bible, but I do follow most of the biblical dietary principles.
I do not eat any pork, and I only eat fish that have scales and fins.

slipperyelm: If a food is out of season, do you still eat it fresh, even if you must import it from the other hemisphere?
thankfully in los angeles, california foods are available from all over the world on a daily basis. However as long as the food is natural there is no need to bring food from far away, you can always buy from local farmers.

slipperyelm: Is that bible natural?
As long as the foods are recently fresh, I think it is

slipperyelm: Relatedly, what is wrong with canned food?
canned foods are loaded with preservatives, salt, and who knows what else, plus who knows how long they have been sitting on the shelves.

slipperyelm: Bringing your food from thousands of miles away by jet or ocean ship seems to me less natural than eating the canned green beans grown in your own garden or even the green beans from the can bought at the grocery stor, but grown in the farm a few hundred miles from you.

I no longer eat from cans, however I do buy food from the local farmers market.

slipperyelm: I'm not skeptaical about your A1c decrease of 5.3 percentage points as my own dropped by 7.8 percentage points over a similar period eating the ADA recommended way. Currently my average BGL is 87 ml.dL despite my unbiblical bacon consumption.

I am sure that you got good results following the ADA diet but, I disagree with the ADA diet. I think over the long run that diet will create problems, but time will tell.

[slipperyelm]

Actually I no longer eat as the ADA recommends. But it is how I ate when I was first diagnosed and brought my A1c down. Since you gave info on your A1c decrease in the first months after diagnosis, I thought I would do the same so that we could compare: Both just diagnosed, both just took up healthier but different eating, both saw good and quick A1c results.

Eating natural fresh foods is only possible if you either live where the food is growable all year round or you import food during your off seasons. I think it is reasonable to eat many kinds of saved foods, including canned. I woudn't be here if Grandma Hazel and Grandpa Willie had not stored a good variety of their farm and garden crops: they did not have the ability to get fresh foods after harvest of their own stuff. After the fresh ran out they had foods that were canned, dried, pickled, cured, preserved in rum, preserved in waterglass, sealed in boiled fat (I suspect this is where the name for the closet called a "larder" comes from), and, when they lived near a cold spring, chilled in it, or buried in the ground in cloches with wheat straw vents to let dissipate the ethylene gas. I'm pretty happy we have ways to preserve food.

It was only about thirty years ago that most people in a large portion of the North American continent did not have available so much fresh produce in late fall through mid spring. It used to be considered only in the ability of the rich to have strawberries fresh out of season, for example. As another example, winter and spring apples were a little gritty or a little mushy because they were grown on this continent and had been deteriorating in storage since harvest. We were not importing such from Argentina and New Zealand as we do nowadays. But we sure seemed to have fewer type 2 diabetics back then, eh?

[Doug]

dont forget that many people will eat exactly the right diet and still require medication.

[Bibleteacher]

slipperyslim mentioned that his granparents canned food.

The cannning process they used was a much healthier method than the ones used by most modern manufacturers.
I would not mind eating the canned food that his granparents made.

However I much prefer the preservations methods used in biblical times.

they used drying, and also preservation in vinegar or wine.

[BriOnH]

This is a wonderful scientific approach of faith. Rarely the two mix. Welcome Bibleteacher. I believe that through fatih in God anything is possible. I really like the way you have approached your problem.

[Bibleteacher]

The following herbs appear to make a positive impact on diabetes.
they are recomended by some nutritionists for diabetes treatment.

Oatmeal - I use ten grain hot cereal, it has wheat, corn, rye, triticale, oats, soy millet, barley, brown rice, oat bran and flaxseed.

Cinamon - Which I add to my oatmeal
fenugreek - which I take daily
bitter melon, I am still researching it.
Vinager - which I add a little bit to my water.
fish oils - which I take daily
Garlic - which I add to my beans

there are others, but I am still researching them to make sure that they have at least a shred of proof of their effectiveness.

even if they do not work, I hardly think they would do much harm.

[Bibleteacher]

People with diabetes have been told to avoid bread.

well this is parftially right.

Modern bread is made with white flour.
white flour is a recent invention, it came around the 1950's , before then white bread was non-existent.

the process involved in creating white flour strips the original wheat from any vitamins, minerals and other nutritents.
so what was left of the wheat was just empty glutten, devoid of any nutritional value.

as people became aware of this problem the industry begun to fortify or enrich bread.
however this enrichment only put back some of the nutrients with artificial vitamins or minerals. the bread is still deficient in other nutrients which are not perceived as "necessary".

and Artificially created vitamins will never equal the natural vitamins and minerals that occur in whole wheat flour.

another point is that the nutrients put back are not in the right proportions found in nature. any good cook will tell you that the right portions of foods make a huge difference in how the meal turn out.
A chemist will also tell you that the right proportions of chemicals are essential in any chemical compound.

But what makes the matter even worse is that the bleaching process used to make flour white and pretty uses many chemicals to accomplish that, and one of the chemicals is alloxan . Alloxan is a chemical that is acutally used in medical labs to induce diabetes in hamsters and mice for research process.
traces of alloxan and other chemicals remain in the white flour.

as we can see bread made with white flour is hurtful to a diabetic.

then why do people still buy white bread.
for many reasons
Most people like the taste of white bread, for indeed it tastes better than whole wheat bread.
The bread industry is only giving people what they want, it is not their job to sell healthy bread, just edible bread.

What is the option then, are diabitc people never to touch bread?
fortunatly the answer is no.

Diabetic people need to go back to old fashioned bread, that is 100% whole wheat bread, with no sugar preferable.

I eat 100% whole wheat bread, multigrain bread, and sprouted bread.

My favorite bread is Ezekiel bread, this is a bread made from a recipe given by God to the prophet Ezekiel.

It has no sugar, it is delicious (just have to get used to it) nutritional and is actually good for a diabetic like me.

diabetics can eat bread, it jsut has to be the right type of bread.

[Dewey]

This is a wonderful scientific approach of faith. Rarely the two mix. Welcome Bibleteacher. I believe that through fatih in God anything is possible. I really like the way you have approached your problem.

I totally agree, Brian. Bibleteacher, welcome here & thank you for sharing all the things that you've found helpful. :shakehand I look forward to hearing & learning more from you.

My sister introduced me to the Ezekiel bread, and I thought it was great. :thumbsup: I also agree that a lot of the foods (& the mass-production of those foods with the use of growth agents, pesticides/herbicides & other chemicals) we have now cause many of the ailments & problems we encounter.

Just wanted to say thanks for sharing, and I look forward to hearing more!

[rzrbks]

Food in the 1910s


Bread loaves bakery-wrapped • Glass-lined milk railroad car • Chemicals to oxidize flour: bromate; azodicarbonamide; then benzoyl peroxide • Chemicals to bleach flour: benzoyl peroxide; nitrogen trichloride gas


Intermountain Living History: Old Fashioned Food (http://livinghistory.wikidot.com/old-fashioned-food)

It reminds me of the stories I used to hear on late night TV or Sunday morning TV. Versions of gospel often taken out of context to make a point, sprinkled heavily with requests to mail in my Tithe in return for a blessing that would guarantee the money returned to me 10 fold.

You mean like the blind gentleman my father worked with while my father was a Rehabilitation Counselor for the Blind in Arkansas?

The gentleman who had cataracts, but had been told by specialists at Oral Roberts that if he drank carrot juice and put pepper in his eyes to pay for his sins that his cataracts would go away?

The gentleman who drank carrot juice and put pepper in his eyes so long that by the time Rehab got him to a Dr. that his cataracts were inoperable?

You mean that type of situation?

Naw, things like that never happen in real life.

[Dewey]

I think it's all a matter of personal perspective, folks. I for one, did not take the original poster's comments as we can treat our Diabetes solely with food. What I took it to mean, was that, by eating healthier, we could potentially decrease the needs for some of our meds & just plain be healthier overall. Also, I think that while there are countless meds created each day to help treat one ailment or another, many of the things we subject ourselves to (i.e. Pesticides, herbicides, preservatives, mass produced foods, etc.) cause these ailments to begin with. I took what Bibleteacher stated to mean that we should eat more wholesome foods if we want to keep some of the things we encounter at bay (or away). Perhaps I am the one misunderstanding, here??

[KCP]

Well, I think it all makes sense. By eating naturally, we stop the intake of the harmful preservatives that we so often find in food nowadays.

[wiseguy]

If the moral of this story is "natural is better" then I agree completely. What it has to do with the teachings of the Bible is beyond me. Finding out what foods are natural does not take much research.

[paulT2]

I guess we all have our own take on how to eat and what God has to do with our 'condition'

For me more whole foods and less processed foods is my goal. I am not fanatical about it and some days I eat better than others.

I once read somewhere the following advice - only eat things your grandparents would recognize as food. The more I think about that tip the more sense it makes.

Our modern world has processed the goodness out of our lives. Foods we are told are 'healthy' or 'natural' or 'good for us' often are not.

Wherever we get our motivation to look after ourselves (God or science or both) doesn't matter as much as the act of looking after ourselves IMHO.

[wiseguy]

A Christain mentions his faith, and all this comes of it? I forgot...no God is to be mentioned in this country nowadays...:(
This thread isn't about a Christian mentioning his faith, at least that's not what it started out being. It's about the validity of a diet based on the teachings of the Bible. I don't believe that Bibleteacher is preaching any gospel here but is simply offering his experience with his chosen diet.

[TAutry]

This thread has begun, sadly, to stray off topic. I have deleted several posts for that reason. To save myself and the other Moderators work, I am closing the thread.