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BriOnH
02-17-2007, 10:54 AM
Recently a member I look up to here leant me the Audio CD's of Dr. Bernstien.

I have listened to 3 of the 5 audio CD's (there are 6 but the sixth is cool computer stuff) and for now all I can say is this(there will be more to come after I listen to them all and read the book):
While you might not agree with everything he has to say, I certainly don't, you would be somewhat of a fool to not listen to this man. His years with diabetes and medical training makes him a master of his diabetes and I have learned a great deal by listening to what he has to say. He has planted many seeds in my head about some aspects of diabetes that I haven't thought of. For me, I will not be using his diet, but I will explain that in threads to come, and I honestly don't want to debate anything more than him being diabetic master in this thread.

JediSkipdogg
02-17-2007, 11:30 AM
I do agree that Bernstein is a smart man. I also agree with his ideas about how an A1C and control can be lowed by cutting carbs. My problem with him is this....

1) By cutting carbs you are letting diabetes run your life. You are not enjoying everything that is out there in the foods of life.
2) You are missing important nutrients to help prevent certain other diseases, mainly cancer. Now, one could say by cutting out fruits you may be cutting out cancer depending on how much you believe pesticides play in that rrole, it's basically a double take.
3) Why isn't he more widely accepted? Why don't more people know about him? Why doesn't he go around the country talking about his methods and promoting them? Honestly, I never heard of him until it was brought up in a debate here, which was of course shut down and made me do my own research on him. It just seems like if he has so much to offer he would try to spread his word/methods more.

I for one will be interested in what you think of him Brion and what you have learned from his CDs.

Funnygrl
02-17-2007, 12:17 PM
I have considered trying to listen to those, but I listened to his webcast thing last year, and practically had smoke coming out my ears, so I decided to save my sanity.

I also agree he's smart.

BlueSky
02-17-2007, 12:38 PM
.... I have listened to 3 of the 5 audio CD's .....
Are you getting more out the CDs than is in the book? There must be a lot of info there. Is it organised in a way that enables you to find answers to specific questions?

Emm
02-17-2007, 02:46 PM
I think he's marvellous! I can't remember how I stumbled across him, but it would've been about a year ago and since then I've leaned more & more towards his ideas of controlling D. The more I learn, the more he makes sense.

I'm reading his book at the moment - and I'd suggest it to anyone and everyone. If you're even slightly curious, google him and check out his info.

His life story is inspirational. Long story short: Diabetic with all sorts of complications, trying to be a 'good' diabetic but finding it really hard with the info and advice available, found his own brilliant ideas of how to do things - a lot of his ideas are accepted as normal nowadays but were kinda crazy back then (things like diabetics having their own meter... it was crazy back when he started but now it's an important tool we couldn't go without!). No one would listen to his ideas so he went off and became a doctor. Now has best-selling books, thousands (if not millions) of people who have clicked with his style of D control. He's reversed most of his complications, has an a1c better than some non-diabetics, and shocked doctors by not being dead yet.

I think he's onto it. I suspect everything he's taught people will eventually be the known way to control diabetes (tho maybe not so strict, simply because a lot of people couldn't stick to it).

It all comes down to the fact that carbohydrates are what diabetics have trouble with. Having less of them means less insulin, less of the roller-coaster effect, tighter control, better heath and less chance of complications... To me it just seems perfectly sensible and obvious, though I completely understand how he could seem a little extreme to some people especially if you've been told you need some ridiculous amount of carbs every day.

soso
02-17-2007, 11:33 PM
I think he's pretty impressive and through lucking out by finding his forum right when I was diagnosed the highest A1c I have ever had was 5.4...I do about double the carbs he recommends, but only since beginning insulin..I managed to go 2 yrs without thanks to reading him, Em is right his personal story is good reading... He is in his 70's now and still working and seeing patients (at $500 per hour) perhaps that is why he is not travelling round..lol...and really, if he was, I think a lot of people might just presume he was a snakeoil salesman...
I know that since I was diagnosed 3 yrs ago, low carb is way more accepted and talked about and accepted as valid ...at least it seems that way to me and going by my Doc's attitude and the D edu .centre here..
If you google him, his site had quite a lot of the book free to read online, and as others have said, there is good stuff there, even if one does not choose to follow his dietary mantra.

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BriOnH
02-18-2007, 12:51 AM
I haven't read any of the book yet. The audio cd's are great. You have to take into account though that he is talking to a new diabetic patient through out most of it. So what he says to a newbie could be much different then what he tells a long timer.

Once I read and absorb everything I can learn from him i'll be posting more on it. Don't want to start any healthy debate here, just want people to be aware, even if you hate some of his stuff, that as a super long timer he has many, many great things to help manage your diabetes. He also has some that I just don't agree with at all, but over all it is extremely beneficial in my humble oponion.

I also like the fact he went to medschool so late in life. Give me hope to accomplish that someday. If I can ever get diabuddies, with your help, to be the best diabetic management system around i can get some clout in the medical community and start putting the energy into cures and cellular therapies.

Cyborg
02-18-2007, 08:39 AM
I'd like to pick up the CDs myself. It is hard for me to find time to read and I am interested in hearing what he has to say. Now I just need to find out where to get them.

soso
02-18-2007, 09:35 AM
his homepage for books and cd's is diabetes-book with the usual dot com ending.
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JasonJayhawk
02-19-2007, 01:03 AM
I'm with you on Dr. B's writings. He was a former engineer, so I think his approach takes a quick appeal to the engineering type and those with that kind of "mind." (Non-engineering types wouldn't understand!) hee hee hee.

I don't follow his diet (although I'm sure it has helped many -- when I tried living low-carb, I found the high protein/fat meals would "strike" me hours afterward).

His information on topics that deal with every day life, such as techniques we use with daily care to explanations of the biology that happens inside us, is quite valuable. The way he writes it makes it all interesting.

He's coming out with a revised "2007" book (I think I have the 2004 or 2005 version). I don't understand why it's so expensive. (Limited audience?) Some of the book speaks to Type 2, and he speaks to the Type 1 audience as well.

Brian, could you explain what is on the 6th CD?

Would have loved to listen to the audio CD's, but he really charged an unfair amount for it (in my opinion!) -- I've heard one of his "free audioconferences" (in MP3 format), but he/they have since been charging for an audio download.

I know there are some people against him and any idea he has (which, perhaps, has made him even more popular for the "controversy" surrounding his tight control), but in the USA, without his initial paper that highlighted "home care" with "Home self blood glucose monitoring," I think it reduced the amount of time it took for home monitoring to be a hit in the marketplace. The first machine was a "simple" piece of hardware -- a reflectometer, which allowed quantitive
measurement of blood glucose for the first time in the home.

We certainly have him to thank for advocating for home monitoring. Can't argue with that!

As far as charging an unfair amount... my understanding is that his office visit fees are also extremely high. I doubt many insurance companies would even pay for his services; I think he actually has extended sessions with each new patient, and insurance would never consider it. Phone consults are high, too -- can't recall how high, but it was crraaaazzy high to me.

Oradev
02-19-2007, 06:44 AM
3) Why isn't he more widely accepted? Why don't more people know about him? Why doesn't he go around the country talking about his methods and promoting them? Honestly, I never heard of him until it was brought up in a debate here, which was of course shut down and made me do my own research on him. It just seems like if he has so much to offer he would try to spread his word/methods more.

I for one will be interested in what you think of him Brion and what you have learned from his CDs.

I think you are starting to see and hear more and more talk on this style of life each and every day. This was an article in Men's Health (Dec 2006).
The Cure For Diabetes - Men's Health (http://www.menshealth.com/cda/article.do?site=MensHealth&channel=health&category=other.diseases.ailments&conitem=4a935e4e40fae010VgnVCM20000012281eac____&cm_mmc=Mag_URL-_-Jan2007-_-Article-_-The_Cure_for_Diabetes)

This is a very good article, I suggest everyone to take a look at it.

princesslinda
02-19-2007, 06:54 AM
I have just finished reading Bernstein's "Diabetic Diet," and am 1/2 way through his "Diabetic Solution." I think what he has accomplished in his life is awesome and we all can learn SOMETHING from it, whether we choose to follow his plans or not. He has a great way of explaining things so that a lay-person can better understand the body's physiologic response to diabetes. He has helped many, many people. Mark-TN is a good example...he's turned his health around from following Bernstein. I would love to hear the CDs. Brioh, please share anything you feel would be helpful to us.

lilly
02-19-2007, 07:44 AM
the CDs are an excellent souce of information,whether you follow his WOE or not.Yes,they are expensive and for those of us in the UK,even more so as we were slapped with a custom's tax when we received them.

However,they were worth every penny as you can't put a price on health and my health has improved ten fold by listening and following what Dr Bernstein suggests.

He is holding another Teleconferance on the 27th of february if anyone's interested in asking him a question.

BriOnH
02-19-2007, 11:59 AM
Jay - the sixth CD has pictures, pdf's and recipes. I haven't run it on a windows machine yet, so I am not sure what the programs do. I am using the discs in order so once I get to that one I will try to post more if it has useful stuff on it.

duck
02-19-2007, 01:33 PM
Can one of you Bernsteiners encourage the doc to put his book on iTunes?

Thanks

Oradev
02-19-2007, 06:07 PM
Can one of you Bernsteiners encourage the doc to put his book on iTunes?

Thanks

Duck,

I have a copy of the book (well, at the moment a friend with Type II is reading it) and would loan it out to you if you would like to read it. I'm in Fairfax so I could literally toss it down the street.

Adam

BlueSky
02-21-2007, 02:21 AM
Can one of you Bernsteiners encourage the doc to put his book on iTunes?

Thanks
There is a lot of free stuff on his site. Here is an audio file in which Dr Bernstein explains what causes the main diabetic complications:



And here is one one in which he develops a diet plan.

duck
02-21-2007, 05:04 PM
Duck,

I have a copy of the book (well, at the moment a friend with Type II is reading it) and would loan it out to you if you would like to read it. I'm in Fairfax so I could literally toss it down the street.

Adam

Dude, if you can throw that far you need to play football. :D You're talking about the Audio Book, right? If so, let me know when you get it back, I'd love to listen to it, and I can come get it.


There is a lot of free stuff on his site. Here is an audio file in which Dr Bernstein explains what causes the main diabetic complications:



And here is one one in which he develops a diet plan.

I'll check it out on his site. I haven't browsed his site in a while, I've just lurked in the forums.