I've figured out a way to control BGs

[Injecto]

I've discovered this revolutionary "new" way of controlling my BGs throughout the day......ready for this? I don't eat. That's it. Nice and simple.

You see, in the past I was never really a breakfast eater. I just wanted my coffee and that's it. After I was diagnosed I had a few dietitian meetings and they all told me that I need to have about 60-80 carbs for breakfast with my insulin shots. I force fed myself for months. After a short while I learned how to carb count and bolus accordingly but I still ate breaky because I was told to. Well, now I've fattened up 21 pounds and still hate eating breakfast.

So, in the past few weeks I've decided to just not eat breakfast and the BG results are wonderful. I can literally wake up at, say, 5.5, test 2hrs later at 6.0, and 3hrs later at 4.7 just in time for lunch. At lunch I mostly eat salads so my only carbs come from the dressing, which is small (approx 10 measured carbs) so I can almost last the afternoon between 5.5 and 7.0 until dinner 6 hours later at a 5.X again. Sure, the diet isn't as interesting as it used to be (but that's a whole different story).

Of course it doesn't work everyday and I get some wonky spikes in BG like a 12 for no apparent reason because I didn't change my diet or excersize (I sit at a desk all day), but I try to brush that off my shoulder as per Master Gangrel's instructions....(at least I try).

[Gangrel]

but I try to brush that off my shoulder as per Master Gangrel's instructions....(at least I try).

And now my young Padawan, you are truly ready to become a Diabetic Master..........

[Injecto]

Yes Master, you are wise.

[Gangrel]

I'm the one with the lazy government job, yet you can create all these pictures. ;)

[belyro]

Oooh Oooh.....can I be Leia?

[xMenace]

Very good. I hope your dietician has a cow.
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/2/2a/260px-JabbaTheHutt.jpg

[xMenace]

Oooh Oooh.....can I be Leia?
Poof!
http://starwars.ugo.com/images/girls/starwars_carriefisher/starwars_carriefisher_3.jpg

[belyro]

Poof!
http://starwars.ugo.com/images/girls/starwars_carriefisher/starwars_carriefisher_3.jpg

Um, that's not me.....

[Gangrel]

lol.

Just give Injecto some time. It will be eventually. ;)

[E-NICE]

I am yours to command my master.

[Injecto]

I'm the one with the lazy government job, yet you can create all these pictures. ;)

BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol....Too funny.

You know, everyone I know says "how do you have time to do that" on pictures. I'll tell you, since I do a real cruddy job of my pictures it really only takes me about 2 minutes no joke.

[belyro]

Um, that's not me.....

This picture must have been pretty risqué back when those movies first came out.

[June91]

Please don't let me distract you from your photoshopping spree as I only have a relevant comment re: thread topic.

I've discovered this revolutionary "new" way of controlling my BGs throughout the day......ready for this? I don't eat. That's it. Nice and simple.

Injecto, please read this out loud. You might want to do it a couple of times. You don't need me to tell you that is just nuts.

So, in the past few weeks I've decided to just not eat breakfast and the BG results are wonderful. I can literally wake up at, say, 5.5, test 2hrs later at 6.0, and 3hrs later at 4.7 just in time for lunch.
Good for you, I say go for it. I absolutely hate breakfast, but unfortunately belong to that certain percentage (Xmenace will surely tell us exactly what that % is) for whom it is very difficult to stay level due to inconsistent basal needs, especially in the morning. So whatever well-wishers may tell you, I would just go ahead and not eat breakfast if that's what's right for you.

I'm just saying the rest of your brilliant idea is radical, impractical and frankly impossible. If you were a proper low carber, that would be a different matter. I may not be able to sustain a Bernstein diet, but I see their point. You, on the other hand, seem to have no plan, apart from simply not eating!

[JediSkipdogg]

All these posts and nobody said it.....

BERNSTEIN


Let the debating begin....LOL

[June91]

Let the debating begin....LOL

Sneaky, aren't you? ;)

That is why I am ripping right into Injecto's brainwave diet and not challenging what is a lifestyle choice for a lot of diabetics.

Plus I hope he knows I think the world of him and voted him best newcomer. (I am just saying that because I don't want to start an argument... LOL)

[grace girl]

Hey, you're not alone! I find it by far MUCH easier to have stable bs when I don't eat breakfast....which I also did not do for most of my adult life, only started it when I was on the mixed insulin and had no choice. I eat sometimes, but most days I find it easier to just NOT!

[KCP]

Hey if your sugars are stable not eating brekkie, then who are they to force you to eat!!! Granted i would probably suggest eating at other times of the day, but i mean, I dont like breakkie either so i eat wat i feel like ie a slice of toast, a cup of coffee.. the dietition jumps up and down but im like, yea, you live with it for a week and come back to me!! lol

[xMenace]

Well, I'm not one to jump on bandwagons, but I'm going to start heading this direction a little more.

Anyone else find skipping breakfast mucks up your lunchtime i:c ratio? I have to double my dose.

[Injecto]

If I'm not mistaken, I did say in my first post in the thread that I just skip breakfast now. Almost all my teen/adult life I never ate breakfast until I was dxd. At that point they told me I HAD to, but then I had to take insulin to cover the breakfast and then my numbers would go high and low all in 4 hours. It was ****. Now that I've figured my morning basal to a tee I can go back to who I USED to be before dx, stop eating breaky and stay level. Nothing wrong there, I win in two ways as I see it.

However, I did say that I eat a salad at lunch which keeps me from spiking higher than a 7.4 MAX, and typically I'm at 5.9 at 2 hrs post lunch so that I'm in range again before dinner. I DO eat dinner and I have to bolus the **** out of it to get back to target by evening, which is my biggest challenge.

So, in summary, my big "do not eat" was really applicabla to my mornings now, and I feel much better as a result. I LOVE the fact that I wake up at 5.X and I can stay between 4.8 and 6.0 from 5AM to 12PM. That just rocks.

[xMenace]

I DO eat dinner and I have to bolus the **** out of it to get back to target by evening, which is my biggest challenge.


Phenomenons (http://www.insulin-pumpers.ca/darnphenomenons.html)
The Break-Fast Phenomenon
A common occurrence is a steep incline in blood sugars following the first meal
of the day. This phenomenon persists at all meals eaten after a stretch of
fasting; this can mean an early breakfast, a midday brunch, or supper following
a Yom Kippur fast. Many people find that they cannot properly deal with the
sudden ingestion of carbohydrates if the regular insulin dose is administered.

One would have to experiment with higher insulin-to-carb ratios at the first
meal eaten every day. Or, if the high blood sugars appear only after a high
carb meal is eaten, then the amount of carbohydrates in your breakfast may need
to be reduced. (See our "Breakfast Smarts" article below for more breakfast
tips.)

Have you done some 1/2 hr profiles? With some work, you can do this too. Experiment with early and even dual wave bolusing, low GI foods, and stretching out dinner e.g. late dessert.

[June91]

Oh, i thought you were turning into an obsessive compulsive non-eater. Whatever works for you is cool, really.

Now you all can go back to posting Star Wars pics.

[JediSkipdogg]

Now you all can go back to posting Star Wars pics.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i137/SKAboy10/jedi-cat.jpg

[Gangrel]

I think the issue here is the fact you are trying too hard not to exceed 7.0 after a meal. Yes, the side-benefits to no breaky and salads for lunch are weight loss, and I'm all for that! Trust me.

I just think that should be the motivation, not insanely rigid BG control.

When i eat, i fully expect, and WANT my numbers to go up to 8-10, and then they fall back down in the 4.4-7 range before the next meal.

Guess what? Non-diabetics shoot up almost as much. And we are NOT non-diabetics.

Anyway, this is your choice. If you feel you can do this without sacrificing the way you want YOUR LIFE to be, then i'm 100% behind you.

I know for MYSELF, this plan would do nothing but REMIND me i'm diabetic, not the reverse. I would much rather eat what I want, and have an occasional reading over 10.0 a few times a week, then pass on the ribs, wings, and beer.

[June91]

I do agree with Gangrel, but I would like to steer this thread back to more interesting stuff:

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[ant hill]

Very good. I hope your dietician has a cow.
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/2/2a/260px-JabbaTheHutt.jpg

Gee!!, do i look that big mmm.... I wonder if i were to go without food for 24 hours and just take the basal scince that the bolus is used for meals.
But realy, i'm quite fat!! :( and i need something to get it off. :confused: Plus he eats too meny frogs. ;)

[Injecto]

.... then pass on the ribs, wings, and beer.



Whoa Whoa Whoa Dude....who said ANYTHING about passing on Ribs/Wings and Beer? Now whose talking crazy?

:T

Honestly, at this point in time I find that finding that balance is helping me accept my "condition". Plus, the flatter I stay, the less upset I feel when I "let myself go" and have something special that will let me spike. For example, last night I took the kids out for a McFlurry as a treat. I had a Caramilk one myself. Bolused the heck out of it, but whatever, I allowed myself that break from the flat line...At least for now this helps me feel like I'M in control and not the Diabetes...at least for now.

P.S. Ribs/Wings and Beer?...**** You Gangrel....**** You.....I'm Hungry...Your treat.

[Gangrel]

Dude, come to Ottawa, and I'll take you to a place that has 75+ different types of wings. :D

Or, I can take you to Pub Italia, where they haev 200+ types of beer.

Your pick. ;)

[Oradev]

Well, I'm not one to jump on bandwagons, but I'm going to start heading this direction a little more.

Anyone else find skipping breakfast mucks up your lunchtime i:c ratio? I have to double my dose.

Yeah, this seems to happen to me as well. If I eat something in the morning my sugar usually climb 40 - 60 points higher after my meal. But if I skip breakfast and eat post-lunch readings will be way higher than usual. For me, it seems like that first meal of the day has the worst effect on my sugars. After that, I'm good to go.

[Laur]

Many people especially women living with diabetes have had the same idea as you, to control diabetes by not eating. A very close family friend has been hospitalized multiple times because she has decided to take that exact approah to caring for her diabetes. It's called anorexia and this whole thread is insensitive and just not funny.

[JediSkipdogg]

I had a Caramilk one myself.

What the heck is that? Geee...all we get is Oreo or M&M. They took away all of the other whopping two flavors they use to have (Reese Cup and Butterfinger.) And to thing, the US is the home of Mickey D's.

[Scratch]

This picture must have been pretty risqué back when those movies first came out.
Mmmm, the memories of being 13 years old, a guy, and Princess Leia in Return of the Jedi. Wow, that was an eye-popping moment.

[JediSkipdogg]

Mmmm, the memories of being 13 years old, a guy, and Princess Leia in Return of the Jedi. Wow, that was an eye-popping moment.

And to think, they didn't make that rated R. Now today, there would be 3 million people on a picket line demanding rated R for that one scene. How the world has changed.

[Gangrel]

Many people especially women living with diabetes have had the same idea as you, to control diabetes by not eating. A very close family friend has been hospitalized multiple times because she has decided to take that exact approah to caring for her diabetes. It's called anorexia and this whole thread is insensitive and just not funny.


Uh, at no point in this thread has anyone talked about NOT eating. Skipping breakfast is not what I consider anorexia. If Injecto had spoken about skipping ALL his meals, then I guarentee you talk would be much more focused and serious.

I agree that eating disorders are a very serious issue, but I don't feel as if this topic comes close to being about a possible disorder.

In fact, the only mention of the word is in your post.

[Injecto]

Third summary:

Breakfast: Tea (no bolusing, just basal)

Lunch: Salad (very little bolus, and basal)

Dinner: Whatever I want (but rice is almost always a no no) (Bolus lots, and basal)

Evening Snack: Crackers/Peanut Butter (if I want to be safe at night) (no bolus)

Result: BG between 5.5 and 7.5 on a good day, or 5.5 and 12 on a bad day

Eating disorders: 0, I eat, just skip breakfast, which is how I lived the first 32 years of my life, I'm just back to being me again, the Old me, the Real me, and that makes me happier.

[Scarlett]

ON TOPIC: Can't argue with Injecto here...I'm with you!
I sit at my desk all day (gov't job too-sort of) and don't eat breakfast (very often) and LOVE my coffee (:coffee: )

OFF TOPIC: Can I be Padme?
I saved it but can't upload it-pictures are hard to get (sometimes)

[Injecto]

I think this thread should win an award in next years DF Awards for:

Most odd unrelated dual topic thread (BG control vs. Funny Star Wars pictures)

[June91]

Or, I can take you to Pub Italia, where they haev 200+ types of beer.

:wavey: Come pick me up, I have landed!

[Injecto]

Alright, just for bely...

[HollyB]

Aaron just discovered another way to control BGs.

Climb a small mountain every day. Eat large mounds of fries, cake and huge Irish breakfasts. Eat frequent snacks to prevent lows even after the huge Irish breakfast. Refuse to lower your basal rate much because you really prefer having the frequent snacks.

It might only work if you are 15 though!

[belyro]

Alright, just for bely...

I know, I know, I asked for it.....but that's disturbing.

[Funnygrl]

All these posts and nobody said it.....

BERNSTEIN


Let the debating begin....LOL
I was waiting for that, but certainly didn't expect it to come from you. Unfortunately, people fail to realize with the lack of carbs your body will convert protein and fat to glucose. Oh, boo, hiss.

[Gangrel]

I know, I know, I asked for it.....but that's disturbing.

Lol. I was going to say the same thing.

Plus, I don't recall any beaches on Tattoine? Maybe I missed the "Return of the Jedi: Return to the Beach!" special or something. ;)

[sixuntilme]

Tattoine did have plenty of sand though, right? That's almost a beach. ;)

[Cyborg]

I was waiting for that, but certainly didn't expect it to come from you. Unfortunately, people fail to realize with the lack of carbs your body will convert protein and fat to glucose. Oh, boo, hiss.

The protein and fat (http://www.insulin-pumpers.org/howto/pfandbs.html) (to a much lesser degree) that you eat also get metabolized into glucose. :vroam:

[Funnygrl]

The protein and fat (http://www.insulin-pumpers.org/howto/pfandbs.html) (to a much lesser degree) that you eat also get metabolized into glucose. :vroam:
I'm not too up on this, since I know I'll never follow a low carb diet, but I believe your body only metabolizes protein and fat to glucose when carbohydrates aren't available.

[tanyatype1]

Again, WOW, look what I've missed today! This whole thread's been hilarious! Injecto, I'm glad that you're finding that things are getting easier and smoothing out for you! The beginning of living with D is really hard, but definately gets better with time! Fine tuning things and finding out little "tricks of the trade" really help eh? Now, Summer's coming..........will you be walking barefoot, or wearing sandals like you were told you "HAD" to? I say, GO CRAZY MAN! JUST DO IT! Barefoot AND a McFlurry! I dare ya! (geez, someone's gettin' a little crazy here!) Oh ya, I skip breakfast too, usually, and there's no harm done! :)

[ladytaz]

I'm not usually hungry when I wake up either. Been that way at least since I was probably 8 or 9 (as far back as I can remember about that anyway) Just not a morning eater. (my kids are the same exact way too! must be some inherited trait?)

When dx'd, I was told I HAD to eat. So I did and it just became a habit .... get up, test blood, take oral meds, eat.

I have days tho, that I litterally forget to eat.If I've got a busy day, I get up, test my blood, take my oral meds, (and now shoot up the insulin), then go on about my business of getting ready to get on with what I gotta do, and eating just doesn't enter my mind, UNLESS I'm hungry, which is rare.

Now, since being on insulin, the morning eating thing is a different story. I really and truely HAVE to eat! As well as the Novolin 70/30 works for me, and as much as love being on insulin now, if I don't eat, it will of course, give me late morning/early after noon lows! UGH.

Because of this, meaning my issues with eatingin the morning, I am seriously considering just getting me some N and taking it in the morings and evenings, and then just take R when I eat. I see it too as less calories taken in! I surely can stand to lose some weight, that's for sure! LOL

As to the anorexia comment ... uh. that is a completely different issue Laur!! TOTALLY! Nothing in this thread remotely suggested anything even similar to that!

When I was 17 and a senior in high school, I seriously think I was on the borderline of anorexia! I didn't realize it at the time, but maybe a year or less later, I did! I got pregnant, and gained weight, and I'd seen a photo of myself a month prior to graduation (about a year previous), and I saw how freakin skinny my arms were! It really scared me to see that!!

At the time when I was skinny, I seriously thought I was FAT!! All 100 pounds and 5 feet tall of me!! Through my own eyes, I looked like a cow!

So yes, I do understand the seriousness of anorexia, but again, this thread wasn't even anything close to that!

Just because someone skips a meal, doesn't automatically mean they're anorexic, or going to become anorexic. Anorexia (and bulemia in most cases) is really more of a psycological disorder (usually some sort of "control" issue), than an eating disorder, in my opinion! Until your friend gets her head straight, she's going to be in and out of the hospital, if it doesn't kill her first!

Just like the "diabetes food police" all us diabetics loathe, you're sounding like the "anorexia police". Again, just because someone skips a meal, even if it's one meal EVERY SINGLE day, doens't mean they have an eating disorder!

I don't mean to be rude or anything, but that's how it's coming across to me!

[2high]

I never eat breakfast unless I am having a hypo.. I just can't face food in the morning.

I eat a small lunch and a small-medium dinner.. not too many carbs.

If it works for you, do it!!! To **** with what anyone else thinks!!


Many people especially women living with diabetes have had the same idea as you, to control diabetes by not eating. A very close family friend has been hospitalized multiple times because she has decided to take that exact approah to caring for her diabetes. It's called anorexia and this whole thread is insensitive and just not funny.

Yanno (Lissa, I stole your word :D), I don't think that Injecto is encouraging anyone to not eat. I also didn't see anywhere that he doesnt eat at all.. Were there some posts stating that, even though its completely the opposite to everything else he said, that were deleted by a mod?? No??? Hmmmmmm....

Yes, Anorexia is a problem, especially for someone with diabetes, but for goodness sakes!! Get your darn facts right before beating someone up for something that was neither said nor implied!!!!!


Oh, and I think this thread was VERY funny indeed!!!!!!!!