Would others know you aren't drunk?

[Penny]

Seeing the debate about the man who was put off Amtrak, made me wonder......If you were in public and low, would others know? I have been low in public, but I recognized it and tested and did what I needed to fix it. But a couple of times I have been at home and my husband saw it before I did, and he knew what to do. Usually, my stomach feels upset, almost like I need to throw up, I feel very tired, maybe even lightheaded, and have "just a feeling" that I am low, maybe a bit spaced out. But, my husband says, I get very quiet, my eyes kind of glaze over, and I stare at nothing. He says he asks me something and I might or might not give him a sensible answer, but I usually slur my words. Yesterday, I could not open the glucose bottle to eat some tablets, kind of threw them to Hubby to open. To me this kind of sounds like the way you might describe a drunken person. I have never been violent or disruptive...though Hubby complained about the glucose bottle hitting him in the head. :D But I wonder if this behavior could be mistaken for me being drunk in public???? Most of the time, I see it coming before I get that bad, but if it happened at home a couple of times, who knows?

[barko]

Wearing a medical ID bracelet that is easily recognizable would be one option. Emergency medical workers are trained to look for bracelet IDs (not always other types like shoe-lace IDs, etc).

[Penny]

I wear a necklace, but......if you were not a diabetic, and you were walking in the park, saw a chubby grandmother sitting on the ground staring at nothing and slurring her words, would you go looking for a bracelet? I am thinking most people would say, "Look at that old drunk!" and avoid me like the plague. I am just wondering if some of you also have behavior that would confuse the general public? Myself, I plan to not let it happen if I can at all help it, but I still wonder if it could.

[barko]

Your right, probably not everyone would recognize a bracelet like this:

http://www.medicalert.org/Emblems/A126tn.jpg

But at least hopefully the people who can save your life (and stop you from being kicked off of a train) would. In contrast, they probably would not even have a chance to notice a necklace that is hidden under clothing. If your passed out, etc. someone at some point will probably at least take your pulse ;-)

Just my 2 cents - I wear a necklace also, but the recent Amtrak incident has helped me change my mind. I just signed up with Medicalert (http://www.medicalert.org)

[notme]

Very good question Penny. Honestly, I doubt people would know. When I get extremely low, I know I am not making sense and it frustrates me. I have a hard time comprehending things and the harder I try, the more frustrated I get. I tend to be quiet when that happens. My husband knows because I am being quiet and look spacey. I do tend to try to hide my lows from people.

I am not the unruly type when I get low. I am the quiet type which could be more dangerous. At least when you are unruly, you get attention. I don't think I would get attention until I passed out (which I have never done).

[andypoo]

Usually when I go low, it hits really quickly,I start sweating profusely from my head and forehead my hair will be soaked and I'm really rushing around and trying to get things done is when it happens. My daughter seems to be the only one that notices ,I just say "Insulin reaction "and grab a coke and sit. My husband is completely oblivious to it,he just thinks I'm being *****y or something,I've always managed without anyone s help dealing with it,it's my problem really,I know what to do. But if I was in public place, such as on a train or bus station or airport,I don't want to say I wouldn't manage because everything is different in those places you'd probably have to walk a mile to get a coke or something if you didn't have anything on you. But when I go somewhere that is out of my llittle circle, I alway pack stuff on me in my pockets,in my purse,everywhere to get to quickly.

[Katmandu]

Very good question Penny. Honestly, I doubt people would know. When I get extremely low, I know I am not making sense and it frustrates me. I have a hard time comprehending things and the harder I try, the more frustrated I get. I tend to be quiet when that happens. My husband knows because I am being quiet and look spacey. I do tend to try to hide my lows from people. When I was first diagnosed I used to have a VERY difficult time with my lows. My wife and I would be out at the mall (or somewhere) and I would say...."I don't feel right". We would immediately head to the food court and get a coke.

I learned to recognize the symptoms and too react (QUICKLY) to them.

Nowadays, I use a 1-10 Scale with my wife on how I feel am currently feeling. 1 is just fine and 10 is EMERGENCY.

Using this 1-10 Scale has been a godsend for our relationship!

Those of you that have been in Hypo crises KNOW that STRESS that it puts on your loved ones!

I strongly suggest ALL diabetics use this 1-10 Scale with your loved ones!!!!

.

[coconut]

I had a very bad low in a doctor's office in the exam room (a neurologist/acupuncturist) after he put multiple shots in the back of my head and neck for a severe migraine. It was seconds later - I was in a cold sweat, sick to my stomach, my peripheral vision started to gray and I could barely move so I just laid down and closed my eyes. The doctor was teasing that I was afraid of needles and I kept saying that's not it.

It was the tech in the office that knew what was happening (he said his mom was a diabetic) and got me some candy and called my boyfriend to come get me.

If a doctor can't see or figure out what was happening I really don't have much confidence that people who have not already experience it will know what is wrong with you.

That was a life lesson for me - and now I am always prepared when I leave the house no matter when my last meal or how long I expect to be on the road.

[coconut]

When I get extremely low, I know I am not making sense and it frustrates me. ..... I do tend to try to hide my lows from people.


Usually when I go low, it hits really quickly,I start sweating profusely from my head and forehead my hair will be soaked ....

I'm totally the same way - I'm thinking the words but the just don't come out.

I've had lows for years and never knew - I always blamed them on migraines. I would lay on the cold bathroom floor until I could move and I would drink coke or ginger ale because it alwasy made me feel better.

Pretty ironic considering the cause and affect were most likely the opposite of what I had thought all along.

[cheryl]

I am rarely alone in public, i have kids with me or my husband so i don't worry about it, but if i am alone, my bg is always in normal range, so i don't worry about it at all......

Cheryl

[Penny]

Today, 2 hours after breakfast, I was 150 (usually takes me almost 3 hours to get to a normal range), so figured I was fine for a couple of hours anyway. I went shopping for groceries, but had a few other things to pick up in the "mega store", so was in there for 1 and 1/2 hours. I was feeling a little hungry, but they were giving out samples at the store, so I figured that would be enough to do me until I got home( small piece of pizza, sausage, chips). Hubby picked me up and needed to stop for his mother's meds, maybe took us 20 minutes to get home. I tested while waiting for him in the drugstore, I was 62. This meter always reads about 10 higher than the one I use most of the time, but I was feeling hungry, but OK. When we got home, it was close to 4 hours after I had eaten, and my meter said 48. I thought I had planned pretty good, and had the few snacks at the store, so should have been OK. I could have been alone, in fact now thatI think about it,there were a couple of minutes when I really knew I wasn't right. I sure hate to think I cannot even shop for groceries without someone tagging along to watch me. I will probably test more often, even in the grocery, make sure I have my glucose, and wear my ID.

[Dewey]

To answer the question, it depends. Usually, I'm with someone, so if I go low, either I'll catch it or they'll know. It also depends on how one acts when low. Sometimes, I act totally "normal" (lol) & am in the 40s....other times, I'll be in the same range & act differently (i.e. weak & tired, etc).

If I weren't with someone I knew, I might have a tougher time...again, it just depends.

[parrotletzoo]

Others would suspect I'm not drunk once they read my medical ID bracelet.

...yet another good reason to wear id.

[notme]

One to ten scale is genious. That would help relay to someone how bad you feel. What a concept!!!!

Genious Katmandu!

[kgm0612]

My younger brother slurs his words and acts obnoxious when he's having a low. I am sure people would think he was feeling a "little tipsy" if he was out alone. He does not always wear his medical ID.

Karen

[ubergeek]

The general public no, I don't think they would recognize it for what it is. I also think there are plenty of diabetics out there that wouldn't recognize it for what it is. Until recently I worked with another pumper so I wasn't very worried about work since we checked on each other a lot. I know many times one of us has walked into the others office and saw that glassed over look on each others faces and knew. Unfortunately, she took another job accross the country.

I just had a fairly serious low yesterday....the strange thing, it was the first time I have ever been "confused" while being low. Usually it's all physical symptoms, I feel really flush, upset stomach, I start sweating....but yesterday...nothing but confusion. I didn't even recognize it for what it was right away....and I live this life....so no, I have no faith in the general public to recognize what's going on with me...that's why I need to be able to do it. I do wear a necklace however, so hopefully the paramedics will clue in.

-Brian

[Penny]

We should all wear Tshirts when we are out alone......they could say something like....Give me some sugar, I'm diabetic. Or I'm not drunk, I'm diabetic....or a combination of the two. :D I would worry that people would not call the paramedics, who would look at the bracelets or necklaces.....they might call the police, who aren't really trained to know what to look for. More likely, they would just point and laugh! I'm not out alone that often, but I would like to feel safe doing it.

[mg_2204]

grandmother sitting on the ground staring at nothing and slurring her words, would you go looking for a bracelet?


Unfortunately we live in a day and age where people don't care. There was this man on the sidewalk in downtown Montréal a few years ago... people walked around him, making sure they would avoid the guy. He looked terrible. My sister stopped and asked him what was the matter. It turned out he was having a heart attack.......................

Terrible isn't it?

[andypoo]

Unfortunately we live in a day and age where people don't care. There was this man on the sidewalk in downtown Montréal a few years ago... people walked around him, making sure they would avoid the guy. He looked terrible. My sister stopped and asked him what was the matter. It turned out he was having a heart attack.......................

Terrible isn't it?

That just hurts my heart to hear things like that. Unfortunately you can't tell the truly drugged out messed up people on the street from someone who's legitimately having medical distress. It's become so common,especially in the large cities for people to walk past someone who's acting bizarre. It's so sad.

[andypoo]

We should all wear Tshirts when we are out alone......they could say something like....Give me some sugar, I'm diabetic. Or I'm not drunk, I'm diabetic....or a combination of the two. :D I would worry that people would not call the paramedics, who would look at the bracelets or necklaces.....they might call the police, who aren't really trained to know what to look for. More likely, they would just point and laugh! I'm not out alone that often, but I would like to feel safe doing it.

I think you just hit on something there,Penny, it wouldn't bother me to wear something like that . I like the "I'm not drunk "one .

[duck]

I wear a necklace, but......if you were not a diabetic, and you were walking in the park, saw a chubby grandmother sitting on the ground staring at nothing and slurring her words, would you go looking for a bracelet? I am thinking most people would say, "Look at that old drunk!" and avoid me like the plague. I am just wondering if some of you also have behavior that would confuse the general public? Myself, I plan to not let it happen if I can at all help it, but I still wonder if it could.

I have been laughing at the thought of this all day...why would you describe yourself this way? :rofl:

[Penny]

I have been laughing at the thought of this all day...why would you describe yourself this way? :rofl:

:D I posted a picture of myself, and I looked a lot better then! LOL If I was a skinny 25 year old, I would get help if I was drunk or not. Not many people would look at a person who looks like me and imagine a reason for me to be acting strange. I look like a grandmother! What would a grandmother be doing acting drunk....unless! I even remember a time when I saw an old lady acting strange on the sidewalk, years ago when I was young and knew everything. I figured she was drunk, but decided to call the police to get help for her. Turned out she was drunk, but she could have just as easily been sick. If I could do it over, I would ask her if she needed help......then called the police.

[sweetstick80]

I could very easily be mistaken for being drunk. Once I get under 55-60 I become disoriented, perspire buckets and get slap happy. Most of the time I get no warning......I get goofier than usual, fumble to check glucose level and it`s always in the 50`s. 15-20 carbs cleans me up, but I`m usually wiped out for several hours......Jack

[andypoo]

:D I posted a picture of myself, and I looked a lot better then! LOL If I was a skinny 25 year old, I would get help if I was drunk or not. Not many people would look at a person who looks like me and imagine a reason for me to be acting strange. I look like a grandmother! What would a grandmother be doing acting drunk....unless! I even remember a time when I saw an old lady acting strange on the sidewalk, years ago when I was young and knew everything. I figured she was drunk, but decided to call the police to get help for her. Turned out she was drunk, but she could have just as easily been sick. If I could do it over, I would ask her if she needed help......then called the police.

Penny, you are too **** funny! You seriously should consider getting up on stage and doing you drunken grandmother bit!!LOL


I could very easily be mistaken for being drunk. Once I get under 55-60 I become disoriented, perspire buckets and get slap happy. Most of the time I get no warning......I get goofier than usual, fumble to check glucose level and it`s always in the 50`s. 15-20 carbs cleans me up, but I`m usually wiped out for several hours......Jack

I do the same thing,when I have a low,and Like you said I'm just drained of energy,I mean to the point of "I have to lay down and sleep!"

[coconut]

Unfortunately we live in a day and age where people don't care. There was this man on the sidewalk in downtown Montréal a few years ago... people walked around him, making sure they would avoid the guy. He looked terrible. My sister stopped and asked him what was the matter. It turned out he was having a heart attack.......................

Terrible isn't it?


Oh my God.
:(

[JediSurfer]

Medically it impossible to know whats wrong with sombody with some sort of medical analysis like a blood test.

[JediSurfer]

I always wear visible diabetes identification.

[HelenM]

Would others know you aren't drunk?

I don't think they would notice, but they wouldn't notice if I was drunk either.When I'm low I tend to become withdrawn, move away from people, try to cope with things by myself. I behave exactly the same way when when I've drunk too much. I have a very strong fear of embarassement in public which seems to overide everything else.
There are usually (but not always) physical symptoms with my lows :sweating tremours etc my husband notices but I don't think others would.

[duck]

Unfortunately we live in a day and age where people don't care. There was this man on the sidewalk in downtown Montréal a few years ago... people walked around him, making sure they would avoid the guy. He looked terrible. My sister stopped and asked him what was the matter. It turned out he was having a heart attack.......................

Terrible isn't it?

You think that's bad, go look up the story about the woman who was stabbed at a Kansas City convenience store...as she lay bleeding, shoppers stepped over her, checked out, left...all on camera.

[Penny]

Would others know you aren't drunk?

I don't think they would notice, but they wouldn't notice if I was drunk either.When I'm low I tend to become withdrawn, move away from people, try to cope with things by myself. I behave exactly the same way when when I've drunk too much. I have a very strong fear of embarassement in public which seems to overide everything else.
There are usually (but not always) physical symptoms with my lows :sweating tremours etc my husband notices but I don't think others would.

Come to think of it....the 3 times in my life that I was drunk (17, 30 and 40), I felt the same way I do when I am low. I also tend to try to avoid people and find a place to kind of hide, I also fear public embarassment. But even my grandchild says I look strange, glazed, staring eyes and I also get shaky....which is exactly how people described me when I was drunk. Just so the children do not get disallusioned about my Grandma status....I got drunk at 17 at my first college party when someone added rum to my coke and I liked it :D . The other 2 times were birthday celebrations, and I actually got drunk on wine coolers. As you can see, I am not much of a drunk either. :cool:

[duck]

Hey Penny, by my math, it would seem to be time to get drunk once more.






:D

[Penny]

Hey Penny, by my math, it would seem to be time to get drunk once more.






:D

I missed the 50th birthday because I was recovering from a heart attack. The 60th, Hubby was recovering from a heart attack.....I am saving up for if I make 70.

[duck]

I missed the 50th birthday because I was recovering from a heart attack. The 60th, Hubby was recovering from a heart attack.....I am saving up for if I make 70.

Let me know. I'm basically a tee-totaller nowadays, but maybe we can have a few and keep saying to each other "I can't feel my lips..."


:D

:cheers:

[Penny]

Let me know. I'm basically a tee-totaller nowadays, but maybe we can have a few and keep saying to each other "I can't feel my lips..."


:D

:cheers:

9 years, 4 months and 22 days, you have a date!

[octoberlily]

Well this has brought back a not so nice memory for me.

At moment i'm suffering with hypo unawareness, in march this year whilst out and about, i went hypo didn't see it coming and can't remember nothing, only know what i have been told. But a person who saw me, didn't bother coming to see what was wrong but decided to phone the police, apparently they come out, and took it i was under the influence of either drugs, drink or both. Not going into anymore detail as to much happened before someone realised it could be medical, but eventually it was sorted, yes the hospital staff were disgusted as i'm a member of medicalert and had my bracelet on.

My G.P told me that the police are allowed to arrest someone acting strangely. But they need to know that they can't throw someone with diabetes in a cell and expect them to sleep it of.

I now won't go out alone, well not untill this problem with me can be sorted.

Julie

Type 1 diagnosed 1974

awaiting to hear about funding for the pump

[Penny]

A couple of days ago, I went to Walmart. Just before I left, I checked BS, it was 130. I was happily walking along looking at all the clearance racks, when I realized I felt funny, but thought "I can't be low", it was only 20 minutes since I checked. I kept shopping, feeling worse by the minute, when all at once, I knew I better find something to hold me up. I leaned against a pole in the middle of the Women's section. I fumbled (the only word for it) my kit, took what seemed forever to test.....43! This meter always measures 10 more than the one I have at home, so I could have been 33. The thing is I could not move, just leaning there, fumbling in my purse, and I know from past experiences that I had a strange look on my face, and was sweating. People walked within a foot of me and stared, but said nothing. I did manage to get my Glucotabs out and stood there chewing them as fast as I could. I am surprised someone didn't get security or at least one of the numerous Walmart people to check on "the strange lady",leaning on a pole. No one bothered to ask if I was OK, and I really do just look like someone's Grandma.

[duck]

A couple of days ago, I went to Walmart. Just before I left, I checked BS, it was 130. I was happily walking along looking at all the clearance racks, when I realized I felt funny, but thought "I can't be low", it was only 20 minutes since I checked. I kept shopping, feeling worse by the minute, when all at once, I knew I better find something to hold me up. I leaned against a pole in the middle of the Women's section. I fumbled (the only word for it) my kit, took what seemed forever to test.....43! This meter always measures 10 more than the one I have at home, so I could have been 33. The thing is I could not move, just leaning there, fumbling in my purse, and I know from past experiences that I had a strange look on my face, and was sweating. People walked within a foot of me and stared, but said nothing. I did manage to get my Glucotabs out and stood there chewing them as fast as I could. I am surprised someone didn't get security or at least one of the numerous Walmart people to check on "the strange lady",leaning on a pole. No one bothered to ask if I was OK, and I really do just look like someone's Grandma.

I'm very glad you are smart enough to carry emergency supplies and a meter with you...actually, very impressed would be the correct thought.

Penny, unfortunately we live in a society where most people have calculated that the risk of getting involved in any unusual situation is just not worth it. I tell my wife all the time if she sees an accident, not to render assistance (esp. if with the kids) but instead pull over and dial 911...I tell her if she is in a fender-bender to not get out of the car, but to call 911 and wait for the police. We live in that sort of a world, unfortunately. So the fact that no one stopped to help, or ask if you were okay doesn't surprise me, but it does sadden me. We have to take care of ourselves nowadays.

[Penny]

I'm very glad you are smart enough to carry emergency supplies and a meter with you...actually, very impressed would be the correct thought.

Penny, unfortunately we live in a society where most people have calculated that the risk of getting involved in any unusual situation is just not worth it. I tell my wife all the time if she sees an accident, not to render assistance (esp. if with the kids) but instead pull over and dial 911...I tell her if she is in a fender-bender to not get out of the car, but to call 911 and wait for the police. We live in that sort of a world, unfortunately. So the fact that no one stopped to help, or ask if you were okay doesn't surprise me, but it does sadden me. We have to take care of ourselves nowadays.

Well yeah, there is that. I tell everyone the same thing....get help, but don't do anything yourself. In fact just told 2 of the grandkids, when they were helping a man pick things up that he had dropped. I felt bad telling them that, but they were in a parking lot, close to his open car trunk....had to explain how easy it would be for him to toss one of them in the trunk and be gone. Isn't it terrible, that little girls cannot be kind without worrying about what will happen.

[JediSkipdogg]

My G.P told me that the police are allowed to arrest someone acting strangely. But they need to know that they can't throw someone with diabetes in a cell and expect them to sleep it of.

Yes that's true depending on what you are doing. And unless they somehow know you are diabetic, you could be SOL depending on how bad you are. That's why I HIGHLY encourage all to wear medic alert bracelets of some sort. Police may not fully look for them, but I guarantee you the jail will when you get put in.

[octoberlily]

Well i'm a member of medicalert, and yes had my bracelet on, but like i explained at moment i'm suffering hypo unawareness, not getting signs, my B.Ms can also drop to as low as 1.6 without it having any effect on me, i also carry glucose tabs with me but without warning of any sort you wouldn't use them.

I also explained that someone eventually did realise it could be medical, hence spending two days in hospital.

My bracelet is the same as one posted earlier.

Julie

Type 1 dianosed 6th dec 1974

[slipperyelm]

Well, I may be the weirdo, but I stop to help people all the time. It is just how I was raised. I wrote in the chat forum back in May about stopping to help the passed out driver of a car that crossed one of the city's busiest streets and hopped up over the curb beside me then continued on across the grass and a parking lot where it came to a final stop by hitting a parked car. I ran after the car as did another person, both of us hoping to get into it and stop it before there was a collison. 911 was called; police arrived first and I was shocked and disgusted at the rude way the passed out man was talked about. It was assumed he was on drugs.

My husband and I stop to help people roadside. One time, he and my son, then 11 years old, lost their sleeping bags by aiding a couple of young men (teens really) who'd crashed on a country road. One had hit the windshield was bleeding from the head and had gotten out of the car but was going into shock laying in the snow on the roadside. It was winter in Minnesota. The boy needed their sleeping bags for warmth. No one had cell phones. The young driver ran to the nearest farm house to call for an ambulance.

Another time my husband and I saw a woman running down the sidewalk of an overpass over the freeway. She was crying and flailing her arms crazily. My husband who was driving pulled over as soon as he got to the end of the bridge and I leaped out of the car and ran after the woman. I thought she was maybe going to jump off the bridge. Well, to an objective observer, my own behavior probably looked pretty bizarre and panicky, but I just did what my heart told me to do....The part of me that believes in miracles(not a big part) thinks that I participated in one that day. This may sound stupid, but my evidence for the miracle is this: Normally I wear loose sandles every day in warm weather. Sometimes even in cold, with socks! But that day, for no reason, I had put on my athletic shoes which had not even been on my feet in the two years previous. But having on those shoes meant I could run quickly to the woman, reaching her as she faced outward from the bridge, leaning over....We did not call 911, even after I got the woman to walk off the bridge with me. We got her in our car like friends would do, heard about her problems, managed to chat about ordinary things in an ordinary way as we drove her home....Maybe that was not the best way to handle things....But maybe it was. Calling 911 might have been the worst thing to have done.

My sister and I pulled off the interstate in rush hour traffic to help a woman who was barely pulled over to the shoulder and was hanging out the driver's door. She was sick, able to sit, but barely able to speak. We did not know if it was a woman or a man when we stopped. We did not have a cell phone to call 911. But I just flagged down the first car I saw making the universal sign for telephone. That guy pulled over and used his cell to call 911. The reason I was able to flag down that car safely was that traffic was going quite slow due to the sick woman's car being dangerously close to the traffic lane and people slowing to look. But no one called 911 till we pulled over. Her vehicle (and body hanging out) had caused about a two mile long traffic back up, but of all those cell phone carriers, no one thought seriously to call 911. It looks like the car may have been there for three frickin' hours. Surely in that time some police cars had even driven by! I should mention that earlier that month a nurse had been killed when struck by a car when she stopped to help someone. My sister is a nurse and this was on her mind when we stopped. Neither of us had any idea that we would just keep on driving by, though.

Yep, I have stopped to aid drunks laying in the side walk, too. But they have always declined help.

I saw a sleeping baby in a locked car on a warm spring day and was prepared to break the windows. I did not have a cell phone and neither did my sister who was again with me. I was monitoring the temp of the car with my hands on the window and was going to send my sister into a store to call 911 while I would break the window. Just as I was getting my nerve up, the baby's adult (mother?) came out of the nearest store, a cosmetics retailer. Urrgh! Pretty, smooth face, luscious long eyelashes,
youthful pink blushing cheeks, dead cooked baby!!!!!?????

I also will stop and keep an eye on little children who seem to be unwatched in circumstances that could be dangerous for them. I know that I maybe look a little too interested in the children in such circumstances--you know, the stranger staring at the 2-4 year old. But I will just take the risk. I'm talking about situations where the adult the child is with is just being what seems like neglectful to me. Crossing a busy intersection with the 2 year old trailing behind the parent, for example. Or the little one playing inside the clothes racks at Target when the parent is 25 yards away, gone to another department. Good way to lose your child even if they don't manage to pull those racks down on themselves. Once, I was pretty sure that a child was lost in a Kmart. I took the child to the layaway office which, fortunately was quite nearby. They paged the store for the parent. It took about three minutes for the parent to get there, which tells me they had no idea where the child was.

Ah, well, I guess I've wandered off of helping people in circumstances that could be medical emergencies. But I just want to encourage you to FIGHT that programming that tells you not to get involved. Be involved. Take responsibility. If you want to live in a society that will likely help you when you need help, then be of help to someone who needs help. Yes, it is scary. At least for me it is. But , well, come on. I'm a really shy person, not out going at all. If I can do it, you can do it.