Low carbs not for me!!!!!!!!!

[cheryl]

I dont' get it, is anyone like me. I totally need more then 30 carbs a meal or higher in order to obtain really good bloodsugars, I just have to. I went low carb for a while, except at breakfast, and I just couldn't get nothing down solid nothing, I got high after post meals were horrible awful, a lot of the time, I had my good days, but had tons and tons more bad days,

I was getting bad, my daily carb intake was 60-80 carbs, bloodsugars were totally not cooperating,

Well when i got over my retarted fear of the pump, I started eating more and more and more, mind you everything i eat is extremely healthy to an average non diabetic person, and I am doing so much better, my post meals are lovely extrememly great, i have bad numbers still but not as much and not daily or all the time, I do so much better on higher carbs....

Is anyone like me, or does everyone feel like low carbs is the way to go, cause it totally is not for me. I couldn't see how i could indulge i eggs and mayo and fat fat and meat, but if i touched grapes, watch out post meal will be 230, well i said screw that, God made it put it on the earth for me to eat it, so i am going to eat my grapes and my oatmeal, and my banana's. It is not like i am totally whining over a flippin honey bun, or something like that,

I thought this is so screwed up I can dose for a reese's cup or two have gorgeous sugars, but eat certain fruits or grains and go nuts, forget that, so i did a lot of thinking and a lot of experimenting, I eat loads and loads of walnuts with thes high spike healthy foods, my bg does not go over 180 no more postmeal,

Now I don't eat these high spike foods every day but I do a lot cause i am all about health.......and eating healthy as much as I can...

I have become a stubborn girl again and refuse to let this disease, take away everything from me, i am not giving in, so now that being said i am about to indulge in a 50 carb fruit salad yummy......with walnuts on the side of course.......

Oh carbs I love my carbs!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cheryl

[Julielouise]

Good for you Cheryl. Do what makes you feel right. Who says the doctors are right anyway. I am type 2 and don't know exactly what you have to take for type 1. But I know how you feel and I am too new to this to rebel yet. I am sure the day will come where i will. I still have too much weight to lose to go crazy with carbs. My nutritionist said to have 45 carbs a meal and 15 carbs X 3 snacks a day. So I have 180 Carbs a day approximately. Sometimes i make that many. :cool:
Anyway hope you feel better.
Hugs- Julie

[cheryl]

Actually 180 a day is pretty decent, really is, I mean I am still in the stages of going with 140-200 a day now, and I am loving it, it is different with a type 1, cause we use the insulin and totally depend on it to survive, I just couldn't get my insulin worked out with low carbs no matter what I did, changed ratio, got low, didn't work nothing did, i mean i can do it, here and there, but I can't low carb it all day long,

Today for instance I just wasn't all that hungry so i only had about 25 carbs for lunch, well by dinner i was high what was that all about had no clue, i was like now i had to wait till my bg dropped below, 130 in order to eat, and i ate my salad before i have another hour to see how i am but i feel pretty good right now, no dry mouth or cranky feelings so i think i am fine.....who knows but that fruit salad was sooooooooo good all of it yummy....

Cheryl

[BlueSky]

..... I just couldn't get my insulin worked out with low carbs no matter what I did ... Today for instance I just wasn't all that hungry so i only had about 25 carbs for lunch, well by dinner i was high what was that all about had no clue, ....
Cheryl,

I have agonised over this for a long time. And what has become clear to me is that the insulin:carb ratio is only linear over a "relevant range" of carbo consumption. And I would guess that it is about 30+ grams of carb per meal. As carb consumption drops below that level, the insulin:carb ratio increases exponentially. You need a lot more insulin for each gram of carb you eat.

The reason for this, IMO, is that two effects become a lot more significant. One is the production of glucose by the liver at mealtimes (The Chinese Restaurant Effect). And the other is the insulin-using effects of protein. The combined effect is to increase your BG substantially, in spite of minimal carb consumption. It also operates over a much longer period of time. Which means that you need to do an extended bolus for a low carb meal. I am on MDI and use 8 units of Regular before breakfast, because it contains virtually no carb.

Essentially, you have to learn to bolus for low-carb meals using a different set of rules. And getting it right requires a lot of practice. For me, the benefit is that BG levels have beome a lot more stable. I don't have to worry about lows anymore. I wouldn't be going to all this trouble if that wasn't the case. :D

[DeusXM]

Essentially, you have to learn to bolus for low-carb meals using a different set of rules. And getting it right requires a lot of practice. For me, the benefit is that BG levels have beome a lot more stable. I don't have to worry about lows anymore. I wouldn't be going to all this trouble if that wasn't the case.

Why should she have to? She's just said she's doing absolutely fine on a normal carb diet. Why on earth should she have to learn how to low-carb when her current routine is working out absolutely fine for her?

One is the production of glucose by the liver at mealtimes (The Chinese Restaurant Effect).

You are aware, of course, that there's no scientific basis for the 'Chinese Restaurant Effect', aren't you? That it's just a theory perpetuated by one man who doesn't seem to understand that Chinese food tends to be high in sugar?

[shabbie6247]

hi cheryl, like you i'm not a low-carber either. i eat pretty much what i want within my group of preferred food options.
i cant function on low carb foods during the day, my brain just will not work without carbs for breakfast (43g), lunch is a mix of carbs and proteins (40g to 80g), dinner is usually veggies and proteins, sometimes i have the odd potatoe or basmati rice (50g to 100g).

i just couldnt function on 50g carbs per day !!!

i assume you arent insulin resistant. so cheryl if it aint broke dont fix it!

[ant hill]

If you were to do phyical work then i would not skimp on food pronto!! As for the bolus in some cases i will not take one due to the burn off effect that you get when you put phyical pressure on yourself. Every other time i would bolus to cover for the meal.
So if you want performance from your body EAT!!! :eek: :T

[bryan42]

:( At least Type 1's can EAT! :(

[shabbie6247]

:( At least Type 1's can EAT! :(

you are right bryan! i dont know that i would cope quite as well with the D if i was limited to a low carb diet.

i take my hat off to you dedicated low carbers!

[cheryl]

:( At least Type 1's can EAT! :(

I am sorry, actually low carbs weren't all that bad, to me, it's just my numbers were worse, if low carbs did better on my numbers I woud of stuck with it, and all, so ia m kind of opposite plus I am not at resistant to insulin, so my ISF is 70, I don't need a lot of insulin to survive,

Sorry if that felt like i was throwing it in your face, but I was totally not doing well on low carbs, and I dont' on high high carbs either, mine is a normal carb diet that works the best for me...

Cheryl

[RLK]

I am sorry, actually low carbs weren't all that bad, to me, it's just my numbers were worse, if low carbs did better on my numbers I woud of stuck with it, and all, so ia m kind of opposite plus I am not at resistant to insulin, so my ISF is 70, I don't need a lot of insulin to survive,

Sorry if that felt like i was throwing it in your face, but I was totally not doing well on low carbs, and I dont' on high high carbs either, mine is a normal carb diet that works the best for me...

Cheryl

Cheryl, I'm with you on the "normal carb" diet. I'm much happier and have more energy that way. But I have to wonder if your basal rates are correct since you were having highs with low-carb. There's a lot of factors to consider (like others have pointed out) with the low-carb thing, but it might be a good idea to confirm that your basals are right with some fasting tests. Just a thought....bolus insulin can mask some weird basal things.

[Mich]

Just a clarification, Deus.

Bernstein's (dare I mention him?) Chinese Food Effect had nothing to do with carbs. He was speaking of eating a lot of food at once (even salad or Chinese food veggies) causing a liver dump because of the expansion of the stomach.

No argument that most Chinese recipes have sugar in them, but in this particular case he was speaking only of the body sensing a big AMOUNT of food coming even if low carb.

I agree that his program is not "normal eating" to a lot of people (me included) but the man knows his diabetes and I use his info effectively as part of my overall management.

Mich

[jvetter18]

Well when i got over my retarted fear of the pump
Cheryl

I think it might behoove you to lose that figure of speech from your repertoire. It's incredibly insensitive and insulting.

[cheryl]

I think it might behoove you to lose that figure of speech from your repertoire. It's incredibly insensitive and insulting.

Dude, I am so having a good day, don't ruin it for me, I am not in the mood, I have been on this forum, and love most of the people but I have been blasted about my constant worry over my low's and highs and pump, so when I said that it was because on here sometimes I felt like some thought I was off the wall, so my dumb stupid anal fear of the pump, ok better, sometimes I don't know if it is worth being on this particular forum someone always got to ruin it on here.....for me, 60% of the time, i post somebody got to point something out against me....ughhhhh!!!!!!!Oh well, like the saying goes until you walk a mile or 50 in my shoes don't judge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Anyway, I did numerous basal testing, before, I knew I was pretty much set before I came to the conclusion that low carb was not right for me.....I have done it all.....i am a highly active mommy, i don't sit around all day, I pop on for 10-20 minutes on the computer, go back to doing my business and vice versa, Just had a lovely low, LOL......that is why I am on here now, forgot to lower the basal rate, I started busting butt cleaning.......I completely forgot, decided to be She-RA this morning and carry a i don't know how many pound desk up about 20 steps to the kids room...hubby kept saying he will get it, yea, ok, so i can't wait on him been three days LOL

oh well......but hey low carb works for some great high carb great, i just wondered who does normal carb intake and do well like me....

Cheryl

[jvetter18]

Dude, I am so having a good day, don't ruin it for me, I am not in the mood, I have been on this forum, and love most of the people but I have been blasted about my constant worry over my low's and highs and pump, so when I said that it was because on here sometimes I felt like some thought I was off the wall, so my dumb stupid anal fear of the pump, ok better, sometimes I don't know if it is worth being on this particular forum someone always got to ruin it on here.....for me, 60% of the time, i post somebody got to point something out against me....ughhhhh!!!!!!!Oh well, like the saying goes until you walk a mile or 50 in my shoes don't judge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cheryl

Um, sorry for ruining your day by pointing out that your insulting vocabulary was inappropriate. To think, that I didn't even point out that you couldn't even spell the word correctly, that would have been a jab. But no, I was just trying to point out that you might not want to use that word anymore (it's so 1983 retro) to point out your own inadequacies as a human being. The fact that you justified your thought process of using that word only makes you look worse. Maybe 60% of the time, you say something stupid or insulting to someone? If you don't want people to reply to threads, maybe you shouldn't post.

I'm not trying to pick on you, just dropping you some 411.

[solox316]

sometimes I don't know if it is worth being on this particular forum someone always got to ruin it on here.....for me, 60% of the time, i post somebody got to point something out against me....ughhhhh!!!!!


I personally haven't experienced this... as I typically read more than post... HOWEVER... I agree to the extent there are a lot of people who post replies that make them seem better that others, point out flaws, put people down, etc. Hence the reason I often do not post.

On topic to your post. I usually eat 150-200 carbs/day... Sometimes I do better with it than others, as you can see with my latest a1c. I do not attribute that to my food selection nearly as much as I attribute it to my own lax with control at times. I did find (back when I had a 5.9 a1c) that my biggest problem was with basal, and once I tackled that, the rest seemed to fall into place! Also, some Symlin with my higher carb meals helps too. I always feel that you should do whatever works for you!

[notme]

I generally do not follow a low carb diet. I eat foods that are good for me and look at carbs to understand how much I need to bolus, but I don't buy specific low carb foods.

I do think that it is beneficial for me to steer clear of foods that are high on the glycemic index just because if my blood sugar jets up faster than my insulin takes hold, it takes me longer to return to a normal number.

I do eat potatoes on occassion, but rarely pasta. Cereal is not good for my blood sugar either. Other than that, I eat carbs in moderation.

[xMenace]

I agree about the carbs. Do what you do and adjust to it, if at all possible. However, you should be able to low carb at any time with no ill effects. Your results suggest to me that your basal is low and your insulin:carb ratio is high. Just conjecture, but I'd be testing for it.

[solox316]

I do think that it is beneficial for me to steer clear of foods that are high on the glycemic index just because if my blood sugar jets up faster than my insulin takes hold, it takes me longer to return to a normal number.

Very true... I just now (18 year into this...) learned more about Glycemic Index. I recently finished reading Think Like a Pancreas. Even though it was a book directed at initially learning about diabetes, it gave some information that really helped...

The book has a great little chart about bolusing for different GI foods. I will dig it out and maybe post it. It has worked well for me these past few weeks!

[xMenace]

I personally haven't experienced this... as I typically read more than post... HOWEVER... I agree to the extent there are a lot of people who post replies that make them seem better that others, point out flaws, put people down, etc. Hence the reason I often do not post.



I would only criticize you about your stupid avatar!
http://assets.sjsharks.com/assets/interactive/downloads/sharks_playoff.jpg

[solox316]

I would only criticize you about your stupid avatar!

I always liked reading your posts too!! That is.... before I learned of your poor hockey team preference!!!:cool:

although... you did remind me I should change it for the baseball season... i didn't even remember it was up there... but no worries... it shall return soon! GO WINGS!

[xMenace]

I always liked reading your posts too!! That is.... before I learned of your poor hockey team preference!!!:cool:
Wait till you hear the rest of the story!
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[solox316]

Wait till you hear the rest of the story!

Yes... there is always more to the story...
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[Dervish]

I'm with you for staying off the low-carb bandwagon. I just eat what seems reasonable and it generally comes in at around 200g carbs/day. I don't worry about whether that's high, low, or normal. So long as I can maintain decent control, I'm happy with it.

[solox316]

I don't worry about whether that's high, low, or normal.
AMEN to that!

[cheryl]

Um, sorry for ruining your day by pointing out that your insulting vocabulary was inappropriate. To think, that I didn't even point out that you couldn't even spell the word correctly, that would have been a jab. But no, I was just trying to point out that you might not want to use that word anymore (it's so 1983 retro) to point out your own inadequacies as a human being. The fact that you justified your thought process of using that word only makes you look worse. Maybe 60% of the time, you say something stupid or insulting to someone? If you don't want people to reply to threads, maybe you shouldn't post.

I'm not trying to pick on you, just dropping you some 411.



The proper and decent thing to do, is private message someone when you feel like something is inappropriate, bringing it to tons of people that read this thread, including and obviously mine, makes me feel that your openly attacking me.

Then you went on to make it a lot worse. I don't feel that is a very decent thing to do either, First and foremost this is a support forum. And also, and advice forum. If you felt offended, honestly about my choice in words, I sincerely apologize. I didn't think about what I wrote when I wrote it, because I just didn't.

But the fact remains that you did go further more and attack my character, then had the nerve to look like a nice guy, that is extremely inappropriate in my eyes.

If your going to 100% give someone respect it would of been more respectful to tell me about it privately. That is what a decent person would do. In my humble opinion.

Hey you think I am dumb, or stupid or living in the past fine. I can think of a lot of nice comeback to say to you, fellow yankee, but I won't. I am better then that, and I hope from now on you will be decent enough to private message someone with your opinion.

Thanks,
Cheryl

[JediSurfer]

Well if people are gonna be attacked for their grammer and style what is the point of all this. People are people and can talk how the **** they like.

Low carb diets are the worse thing any type 1 could possible do. Its all about figuring out how many carbs your body needs and working out a suitable ratio for you personally.
Diabetes is not just about the lack of insulin either. The lack of insulin causes the entire endocrine system to bounce around. The insulin production only accounts for around 1% of the pancreatic function. Ever single one of the hormones produced by the pancreas relies on the others for stability. Treatment via insulin pump or injections is far far from perfect but its all we have.
And one other thing a type 2 diabetic giving a t1 hassle about anything is well out of order. The condition of t1 and t2 and only simular in the cross over complications which can occur.

[JediSurfer]

the correct word to use for describing the situation

retarded [ ri trdid ]


adjective

Definition:

1. underdeveloped: not fully developed
the retarded growth of the plant


2. having developmental disabilities: an offensive term meaning not intellectually or emotionally developed

[Tony]

This thread is now closed as we went way off topic here.

Next time, If we have an issue with another member lets keep to private message.