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Ronin
07-19-2007, 09:03 AM
Hi Everyone!

Sorry, this isn't about getting wasted and waking up with a hangover.

As a Pre-D, and not on any medications, I'm still exploring how my body handles sugar. Particularly vexing is the ****ed Dawn Phenemonon/Effect, however I think I'm beginning to see a pattern so I want to bounce it off my friends her on df.

When we consume sugars, the insulin we produce (or inject if you are a Type-1) makes the sugar available to muscles and other cells for fuel, the liver which stores it as glycogen, and fat cells store the remainder leaving a certain amount of glucose in the blood stream for normal body operations. So far so good?

However, if/when we over indulge (i.e., consume significantly more sugars than we can use) the liver and fat cells store a lot more, but it is significant in the liver. Therefore when morning comes around and you body says -- more fuel needed the liver has more to give and the FBG spikes.

Therefore, heavily carb restricted diets/eating plans reduce the amount of glycogen available to the liver and thereby reduce the Dawn Phenomenon/Effect. But, any time you stray, the FBG gets a big boost.

Now, I have to wonder if we Pre-D's have a control mechanism problem. That is to say that the regulator process that reads the blood glucose levels and releases glycogen as well as monitors BG levels and insulin relase is screwed up allowing higher-and-higher BG levels to go on without producing additional insulin to compensate.

As always your comments and responses are welcome.

Cyborg
07-19-2007, 12:07 PM
Therefore, heavily carb restricted diets/eating plans reduce the amount of glycogen available to the liver and thereby reduce the Dawn Phenomenon/Effect. But, any time you stray, the FBG gets a big boost.

Someone needs to inform my body, because low carb or not my DP is strong and kicking regardless of carb intake...

BlueSky
07-19-2007, 01:01 PM
... if/when we over indulge ... the liver and fat cells store a lot more, but it is significant in the liver. Therefore when morning comes around and you body says -- more fuel needed the liver has more to give and the FBG spikes. ...
This is my take on it. The liver's glycogen reserves are kept topped up regardless of how much carb you eat, as long as as you are getting enough calories. Sufficient glucose is made through gluconegenisis to ensure that this is the case. My understanding is that the DP is hormonally driven and is not linked to what you eat.

While carbs you ate the previous night won't affect the DP, your beta cells could still be struggling to make enough insulin to bring your BG down to where it should be. So your BG could still high the next morning.

Funnygrl
07-19-2007, 10:05 PM
I didn't think it was about getting wasted, I thought it was about unprotected sex.

barko
07-19-2007, 10:12 PM
I didn't think it was about getting wasted, I thought it was about unprotected sex.OMG - LOL :D

anyhoo...

What cyborg said - it doesn't seem to matter if carbs are low - the morning never seems to be.

Think we all need to film a B-grade horror flick and call it "The Revenge of the Diabetic Liver"

xMenace
07-30-2007, 04:36 AM
So I've been playing with the relationship between my basal rates and my bolus rates. So far I am confident that my DP, a big one, is pretty much all attributed to insulin resistance and not to increased sugar release. My numbers show that by bolus rates correlate 100% with my morning basal rates. My bolus rates are lower than my basals in the evening, so it looks like I release more glucose then. My base for comparison are my lunch time rates.

coconut
07-30-2007, 06:35 AM
Unprotected Carb.

HAHHAAHA





Ok, don't mind me.. I've totally cracked.

Funnygrl
07-30-2007, 05:28 PM
Unprotected Carb.

HAHHAAHA





Ok, don't mind me.. I've totally cracked.
ROFL!!!:rofl: