sugar numbers going nuts here :)

[mzroni]

Hi

I have a question for ya'll...Ok the dr has started me on lantis 10 units aday right now..been on it a couple weeks..my fasting has dropped it is wonderful..it is now between 100 to 110 i am so happy it was always 170 to 240 something..i am on actos plus met twice aday also..and doing the low carb thing and working my tail off so i am getting the exercise and what not..but my thing is..how can i just eat a salad and it wasnt loaded with all the "bad" stuff..just your basic garden salad..my sugar went from 95 to 381!! and it stayed there it dipped to 200 sometime a few hours later but i dont get this..how can this be??

[Keezheekoni]

Tomatoes affect me negatively. I assume that because you're low carbing that you had dressing on the side...but was it a high carb dressing?

I don't much like salads anymore. They've become too boring and eating a tomato, for me, is a bad thing. :(

[shabbie6247]

can you name the things in the salad?

[mzroni]

It was rather a boring salad..and no tomatoes i dont like them..lettuce,,,cucumbers,,,green onions...cheese..just a bit..and then 3 grams of blue cheese dressing...it was not a big salad just a small bowl..but i did not think it was enough for this rise..i dont understand what is going on here..i could understand if i was junkin out but quit that too..:) so i dont know...i go back to the dr on the 6th of sept..maybe i can get some answers as to why?? and what i am not doing right here

[Penny]

Salads and tomatoes do now hurt my BS at all....most salad dressings are low carb, too. Sometimes a meal I had hours earlier will cause a rise for me. Also, if I am not feeling well or have a bunch of stress. Last night I ate a plate full of fried catfish (YUM), a very small serving of slaw. I was 78, before I ate, I took a large injection of novolog, and my Metformin. 3 hours later, I was 123. Went to bed without eating anything else, woke up at 190. Who knows why, just happens sometimes. Keep checking, I have had good numbers all day, without much correction. :)

[owlyn]

Okay, what else did you have? What did you have to drink?

[mzroni]

I had the walmart brand crystal light pink lemonade..no carbs or sugar..and i know stress can wreak havoc on my system also but none here lately :)

thanks so much i knew someone could help me figure this out because i thought i was doing am doing right low carbs and sugar free stuff but now i am thinking this is nuts :)

[Penny]

We all have days when the numbers are messed up for no reason. One time I was very low at the grocery, I ate a couple of strawberries and tested. and I was very high, in about 10 minutes. Some kind soul on this forum told me, I probably had strawberry juice on my fingers. :D Another Dear person on this forum said sometimes it has something to do with how the planets are lined up. One thing that helped me more than anything was when our Dear Duck told me to drink lots of water. When something happens with no good explanation, I just test more often, and wait it out.

[Keezheekoni]

It's probably the way the moon is positioned in the sky...!

I swear, that's my answer for everything these days. That, or sunspots!

[mzroni]

i have to agree..it is the sunspots...it has been hot so hot in TN so maybe its the sun and where it is located

[BlueSky]

..... i just eat a salad and it wasnt loaded with all the "bad" stuff..just your basic garden salad..my sugar went from 95 to 381!! and it stayed there it dipped to 200 sometime a few hours later but i dont get this..how can this be??
Sounds like you need insulin at mealtimes too. ;)

[notme]

I am wondering what you had for the meal before you ate this salad. If this salad was a lunch salad, what was your breakfast that morning? Was the breakfast full of bacon or other high protein foods and eggs? A lot of times fatty foods for a meal can come back to haunt you several hours after you eat. It may not have been the salad that was the culprit, but the meal you ate earlier in the day.

[Cyborg]

Hi

I have a question for ya'll...Ok the dr has started me on lantis 10 units aday right now..been on it a couple weeks..my fasting has dropped it is wonderful..it is now between 100 to 110 i am so happy it was always 170 to 240 something..i am on actos plus met twice aday also..and doing the low carb thing and working my tail off so i am getting the exercise and what not..but my thing is..how can i just eat a salad and it wasnt loaded with all the "bad" stuff..just your basic garden salad..my sugar went from 95 to 381!! and it stayed there it dipped to 200 sometime a few hours later but i dont get this..how can this be??

Salad dressing, protein, hidden carbs, etc... can all contribute to a salad increasing your bg.

[owlyn]

I had the walmart brand crystal light pink lemonade..no carbs or sugar..and i know stress can wreak havoc on my system also but none here lately :)


Notme has a good point- what did you have for breakfast? And what is the carb count on the dressing? I kind of doubt the dressing is the culprit- you would have had to use a lot of it, but still...

[xMenace]

I am wondering what you had for the meal before you ate this salad. If this salad was a lunch salad, what was your breakfast that morning? Was the breakfast full of bacon or other high protein foods and eggs? A lot of times fatty foods for a meal can come back to haunt you several hours after you eat. It may not have been the salad that was the culprit, but the meal you ate earlier in the day.

Or lack of a prior meal. When you fast, simply putting food in the gut will cause a liver dump. You don't get 381's from bacon, salad dressing, or cheese cubes. A 300pt rise is equal to about 60gms of carbs, Liver dump for sure.

[ladytaz]

I don't think it was anything in the salad either. The amount of salad dressing, tho, yes it usually has carbs in it (well, if like me, you use "regular"), unless you use a whole bottle of dressing for a salad, you're not gonna get much, if any, rise!

I also think it was a liver dump for one reason or another. Reason? Who knows! Yea, the planets all aligned just right! That's gotta be it!! LOL I use that excuse too! *giggles* Last time I had some funky readings Jupiter was out and in view ... I think it was just too close to the moon, and my BG rebelled and had a fit about it! *giggles* Or as you said Roni, the heat! It's been just rediculous here in the south, hasn't it!! GAH! I almost feel like I'm back in Paso Robles or Coalinga, California again! eW!

[mzroni]

Hey i am from CA also..i was born and raised in southern cal..lived in Pismo Beach and Grover City for a few then made it to TN,. :)

[ladytaz]

Cool!! I was born and lived for 15 years in L.A., Sun Valley to be exact. Then we moved up to Paso. My great aunt used to live in Grover City!! Been to Pismo Beach (or Pisbo Beach as my baby sis used to call it! LOL) and Avila Beach too, a few times myself ... back in my younger years ... later, after I got married and had kids we just usually went to Cayucos and sometimes San Simeon. The beach and Yosemite are the ONLY things I miss about Cali!

[Alice]

Your salad does indeed sound low in carbs...very puzzling. I know many salads have hidden carbs in the form of dressing, croutons, beans, etc.

I occasionally pick up a McDonald's Asian Grilled Chicken Salad for dinner...with the dressing it comes to almost 45 carbs, I believe. There is a glaze on the chicken that's easy to forget. Ironically, a Big Mac is about 45 carbs also, I believe (going off the top of my head here) So, there you go...hamburger or salad...both are equal carbs, give or take.

Protein doesn't raise my blood sugar the way I've heard on this forum, but everyone is different. If anything, it slows down my carb absorption rate and I have to watch for lows after taking Humalog.

My endo seemed surprised when I brought the protein/increase subject up...but, I'm interested in other's experiences...

[Kimber]

mzroni,
Your letter could have been written by me!! I am on the same meds, and having the same problems (it sounds like.) My fasting numbers are usually fine but when I eat my numbers do anything they want! My endo and my PC say don't worry because they eventually come back down. They don't want to increase my lantus because that would lower my fasting rates. I have been trying to get fast acting insulin all summer to go with meals and I go to a new CDE tomorrow to try again. Perhaps you need to try for that too (if this is not a one time occurance)? Sometimes I eat a perfectly reasonable meal (like you did) and my numbers go wayyyy up and I say HMMMM look at that. Sometimes I eat another perfectly reasonable meal and my numbers go down (106 to 80 two days ago). Who knows??? So good luck to you. If you get it figured out please let us know. I will continue in my search for someone who will say more than - "Don't worry about it."
kimber

[mzroni]

Hi

I know what thats like kimber..I try to eat everything right and sometimes it just does not work for me..I go back to the dr on the 6th a diabetic clinic i have found thru Vanderbilt medical center..there doing more for me then another dr..I am actually seeing one that does type 1.5 so maybe i will get somewhere :) hopefully anyways..but last time i went last month she was talking about adding insulin to my meals..

[amyjo29]

Hello All,

I just wondered on to the t1.5 so see about things. I'm a t2 since april but had gestational since november. I'm loosing weight w/o even trying and eating well. I may not be getting enough carbs and calories in a day. On the forum about t2 I asked around and it was suggested I may be t1 instead. After reading this thread I have another question.... How can foods you eat earlier in the day effect you later in the day. If you test before a meal and 2hrs after then shouldn't your food have been processed already? This happened to me once as well. I ate a salad and started at 78 and then 2hrs later it was 145. Lots of veggies and low carb dressing. Bugged the heck out of me. That's what I hate about this disease... no one can tell you for sure what's going on. Didn't mean to interrupt the thread just found this conversation interesting.

[owlyn]

Hello All,

I just wondered on to the t1.5 so see about things. I'm a t2 since april but had gestational since november. I'm loosing weight w/o even trying and eating well. I may not be getting enough carbs and calories in a day. On the forum about t2 I asked around and it was suggested I may be t1 instead. After reading this thread I have another question.... How can foods you eat earlier in the day effect you later in the day. If you test before a meal and 2hrs after then shouldn't your food have been processed already? This happened to me once as well. I ate a salad and started at 78 and then 2hrs later it was 145. Lots of veggies and low carb dressing. Bugged the heck out of me. That's what I hate about this disease... no one can tell you for sure what's going on. Didn't mean to interrupt the thread just found this conversation interesting.

Yeah, that's the phase of the moon/price of tea in China effect. Sometimes things just happen. Or, another way to look at it- it's a body, not a machine.

I eat the exact same thing every day (M-F) for breakfast and lunch, and have a desk job. Should be extremely predictable, right? Well, it's only mostly predictable. 60% roughly. 3 out of 5 days, same results. Other 2 days- price of tea in China must have changed. Some thigs you can't figure out, and just have to accept.

[Alice]

Here's my old "Key in the Door" theory:

I think one delayed factor is the "stuff" that surrounds the cells long after food has left our digestive system. We think that in an hour or two, the food is gone. But, I feel there is residual carb junk left over for a while.

The whole problem of diabetes isn't the sugar going into our bodies, it's the fact the key can't turn to unlock the doors that process the sugar. So, you have some "unlocked doors" sitting around in your body, long after the food has been processed.

Exercise doesn't burn this excess off, it needs to turn the glucose into energy first. If the key won't open the door, so to speak, the glucose can't turn into energy.

This is why medication is normally needed...even if you're eating healthy.

[56sushi]

I only recently discovered that my son, who is 24 and diagnosed in Jan. 07 is actually considered a 1.5. He has had multiple complications even though he does Lantus and Humalog religiously and counts carbs like a demon. Just observationally from reading this forum it appears 1.5s really struggle with glucose control.
He has trouble with gastroparesis even though he is VERY careful about fiber. He has finally figured out that his numbers can be influenced by the timing of his bowel movements. :o (sorry, I don't mean to gross everyone out here)
So for him, if he hasn't had a bowel movement that day, he will get highs. If he has really cleaned out, he can get lows.
Don't know if that might explain it for you. He tries to adjust both types of Lantus accordingly and has had some success.