Rrrrr....people.....

[Injecto]

Yesterday, I'm eating out for lunch with my whole department (someone leaving blah blah blah)...I have a club sandwich and a plate full of fries, so, with all the bread and potatoes, I assumed about 100 carbs. Then I had some cookies, about 4 of them, again, about 50 carbs. Not a peep, no looks, NOTHING. Everything is fine and dandy. THEN, someone says, Ooo, I want some chocolate but that would be BAD FOR YOU INJECTO (that's not my real name BTW ;) ) because it has sugar!!!!!!!

WTF?

The ignorance is/was astounding. I mean, no matter how hard I try I just can't explain to people that Fries and Bread, and Milk and Rice, and Crackers and Carrots and Pizza etc....are all SUGAR SUGAR SUGAR....(I know it's carbs). And for me, simple sugars (like chocolate, sweets etc..) are actually WAY easier to control then complex carbs (like FRIES) So, I try and explain again and I just get blank stares....10 months and these people still don't get an ounce of what I'm trying to say.

[belyro]

Sounds eerily familiar.....

[princesslinda]

I'm always amazed at people and their rudeness...their ignorance I can tolerate...but to be rude enough to comment aloud about what someone eats....that always gets to me! I'm sure there's an overweight person in your office....but do the co-workers say "Lardo, PUT DOWN the sandwich! or "Have a salad, you could use one!" No...that wouldn't do at all...but let the diabetic even LOOK at sugar....AGGRAVATING!!!! You should have took one bite of the chocolate, clutched your hand to your chest and fell to the floor....that would teach them!

I had a funny moment earlier in the week that slipped my mind until you shared...someone had commented about my weight loss and said "I'll bet you'll be glad to get that last 50 lbs off so you can start eating bread and desserts again won't you?"........YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID!

BTW...i'm stunned to know you've been posting here under a false name....to me, you'll ALWAYS be "Injecto.":T

[kgm0612]

I fully understand your frustration, Injecto!

My sister is a nurse. When we go out to eat for lunch or dinner, she's always pushing me to finish the french fries on my plate because I need my "starch"! I just shake my head because she of all people should know better!

Karen

[bryan42]

:( I thought I just ran into these kind of people! Its good to know you all know some of these people. What is it lately? It seems there has been a "batch" of stupid people lately, and they seem to travel in packs! :eek:

[MJB]

When it's someone's birthday at work it's common practice to have birthday cake.

I always refuse it while another T2 here always has a piece, or two.

Is it any wonder people are confused? :confused:

[shockme]

if a ever win the lottery-i'm gonna buy a huge desserted island...and put all the stupid people there...trish

[notme]

Ummm Trish, you need more than one island.

Sorry Injecto, stupid really drives me nuts also. My tongue is always swollen and sore from biting it.

Eat your chocolate and smile wide with your chocolate teeth. :D

[Gordonm]

You would be better off eating a small amount of the chocolate than eating the fries.

It does astound me at the stupidity of people and how the yhave no clue as to what they are eating and how if puts weight on them. They think they can eat everything as long as they don't eat sweets. That is why a large amount of Americans are obese. We are not taught how to eat properly.

[belyro]

You would be better off eating a small amount of the chocolate than eating the fries.


Or eat both and bolus like heck! (I'm like you, Injecto....chocolate is WAAAY more predictable than fries.)

Not that I'd recommend eating tons of both on any kind of regular basis.....not the healthiest idea for a diabetic or a non-diabetic. But soooooo tasty (from time to time). :)

[Julielouise]

Nobody except a diabetic gets it. I didn't get it before I was DX'd, I had no idea you couldn't have carbs. Always thought it was just sugar. My hubby doesn't even get it. The other night we were at dinner and he asked me , now why can't you have that? I got so angry. Then I had to realize that it doesn't effect him personally, so he doesn't always hear me. I seem to always be talking about what i can and can't have, you think he would get it by now. I think it is overload for him.Oh well...what can you do... I feel your frustration...Hugs-Julie

[Julielouise]

!

I had commented about my weight loss and said "I'll bet you'll be glad to get that last 50 lbs off so you can start eating bread and desserts again won't you?"........YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID!

T
Oh my gosh Linda, HOW RUDE!!!!!! Stupid People suck. I have had 2 girls in my life ask me, what does it feel to be FAT? Are you frikin kidding me, why would somebody ask such a question? Especially when they weren't super skinny themselves and i wasn't that fat. Ugggghhhh...
Hugs-Julie

[Julielouise]

if a ever win the lottery-i'm gonna buy a huge desserted island...and put all the stupid people there...trish

And give them diabetes and only tons of carbs....:cool:

[Alice]

You get the blank stares (when explaining carbs to people) because they really don't want to hear what is true. I'm convinced there is a "sick pleasure" people get in telling someone they can't have sugar, shouldn't eat sugar, or here some sugar for everyone except "so & so"...

It's the only disease where people can say stupid things and then give you a blank stare back when you explain...because everyone knows..."Diabetics Can't Eat Sugar".

Until there are millions spent on TV advertising (to hit the intelligence level of most Americans) for a public information spot about diabetes...the message will never break through the generations of people...including nurses, dieticians, etc., who grow up hearing the incorrect, out-of-date urban legend of diabetes and sugar.

To be honest, I blame it on many diabetics themselves...instead of standing up to bullies and passive aggressive sugar police.

[HiImDan]

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[tanyatype1]

....10 months and these people still don't get an ounce of what I'm trying to say.

They don't get it because they aren't truly listening. :(

[volleyball]

hat would be BAD FOR YOU INJECTO (that's not my real name BTW ;) ) because it has sugar!!!!!!!
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What would be fun is to defiantly take a bite and then keel over. Freak them out a little

if a ever win the lottery-i'm gonna buy a huge desserted island...and put all the stupid people there...trish

Save your money, we already have it, we call it North America, well actually it wasn't deserted as in had Indians

[ladytaz]

Injecto honey, some people were just born stupid, and ya just can't fix stupid! *shrugs*

I hear ya tho ... I've been explaining to some of those who are around me often, for two years now, that it's not just "sugar", but that things with flour or starch in them, and yes, even "natural" sugars that are in fruit, your body turns INTO sugar therefore in the end, they're exactly the same thing with the same results, High Blood Glucose. What do I get? ... *blank stare, furrowed brow, blink, blink* ... that's what! Sometimes I don't think they'll EVER "get it"! *sigh* But I still keep on trying to educate them! These are people I care about, and I want them to "get it". Luckily, SOME of them are FINALLY!! :)

[DeusXM]

Be fair though, it's sorta complex to understand unless you paid attention in biology class. People simply don't understand that digesting something can change it. As far as most people are concerned, everything just goes into your stomach and sorta stays the same - you eat, it becomes fat on your body, you eat muscle tissue (ie. meat), it becomes muscle tissue. Everything else goes somewhere but they don't really think about it too much - so of course, they're never going to understand that when you eat something comprised of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen in a specific combination, the stomach acids will break it down and alter the ratios, thus changing the type of carb.

In fact I get the sneaking suspicion that if you told people that a carbohydrate was carbon, hydrogen and oxygen, they'd assume that if you ate it you would turn in something a bit like the Hindenburg but with slightly more air and coal.

[2high]

Just punch them dear...

[Cyborg]

I've learned that you can't really educate non-diabetics. Heck, for the several years as a diabetic, I couldn't teach myself. My real teaching was when I came to this forum and started sharing knowledge with other diabetics.

BTW, what are you thinking eating that kind of lunch!

[Gangrel]

My theory is you can't control what others say or do, so I would just ignore them. To play Devil's advocate, I hang out with people that have various medical issues, and while I find myself more emphatic because I myself have a disease, I could also be seen as "not getting it" either.......

[shockme]

Oh my gosh Linda, HOW RUDE!!!!!! Stupid People suck. I have had 2 girls in my life ask me, what does it feel to be FAT? Are you frikin kidding me, why would somebody ask such a question? Especially when they weren't super skinny themselves and i wasn't that fat. Ugggghhhh...
Hugs-Julie

shoulda asked them "what does it feel like to be stupid?" trish

[Penny]

My theory is you can't control what others say or do, so I would just ignore them. To play Devil's advocate, I hang out with people that have various medical issues, and while I find myself more emphatic because I myself have a disease, I could also be seen as "not getting it" either.......

When I was first diagnosed with cancer, a few people asked me what I did to get it....as though I brought it on myself! The funny thing was I was trying to find reasons for it too, that is until I educated myself.

[Mich]

Injecto, we all hear what you are saying. I think Tanya nailed it. I think people don't hear because they aren't listening. I love to eavesdrop on conversations where neither person is listening to the other, they just each want to hear themselves talk. It's a festival of changed topics and non-related answers.

If someone really cares about you, they will ask for you to explain your diet to them and they will really listen. Later, when they make conversation regarding what you are eating, it makes sense as they clarify their understanding. This is real communication and a sign of friendship.

Everyone else's comments are just noise. Try not to take offense. It's unnecessarily irritating and you certainly don't need it.

Mich

[volleyball]

Just because people love and care about you, doesn't mean they will ever understand. There's a book out about how everything they ever learned was in kindergarten. I'm afraid that is true with so many people. When I start talking to diabetics that are interested, they are like how did you learn so much. I tell them internet and libraries make it so easy but they would rather just watch a sitcom.

[xMenace]

Then I had some cookies, about 4 of them, again, about 50 carbs.

They must be some tasty with 12.5 in each. Are they made out of wood pellets? Don't you mean 50 each?

[Gary_W]

They must be some tasty with 12.5 in each. Are they made out of wood pellets? Don't you mean 50 each?


Oh I don't know. Over this side of the Atlantic, we have 'biscuits' as opposed to 'cookies'. Yes, cookies have invaded these fair lands but have found nowhere near the favour with the Brits as their native tipples as most of us find 'cookies' far, far too sweet and what with them being kind of floppy they just aren't right. And you can't dip them in your tea.

Anyway, most English biscuits are between 7 and 12g of carbs each and most of them are very nice indeed.

I know that 'biscuits' in America are something that people on the Springer show eat with gravy and a side order of Squirrel (or Possum, in season), but that is just one of those little differences in the language.

As to the colleagues, friends, relations etc... I rarely try to educate people any more as frankly I find diabetes a topic that is rather dull to come up every time you eat out in company. Whilst I'll happily inject in public (though I'm very discreet and most folks would never notice) I sometimes sneak away these days and whack in a dose when I'm with new people. It's not that I'm embaressed or anything, it's just that I really cannot be bothered with the diabetes conversation and would rather be talking about something else where I'm not the only one at the table with an informed opinion.

Gary

[shockme]

[QUOTE=Gary_W;257815

I know that 'biscuits' in America are something that people on the Springer show eat with gravy and a side order of Squirrel (or Possum, in season), but that is just one of those little differences in the language.



:rofl: :rofl: trish

[Alice]

I agree you just can't educate everyone...I've even avoid the diabetic conversation with other diabetics. I've learned I'm on a different course than many others...I stopped being frustrated by people who still think I did something "bad" in second grade and have taken injections since. They are always happy to tell me "thank goodness, I'm only on pills"...when I hear that, I head in the opposite direction.

Even worse with co-workers, I'm afraid. I was scolded one time (more from a weight/calorie discussion) about the plain do-nut I had every morning for breakfast with a Diet Coke. (It was really my snack since I ate a real breakfast early in the morning). When I pointed out they probably had more fat grams in their scrambled eggs, sausage and biscuits...they immediately stopped talking. I made my point.

[johgn]

I find that when somebody I like does this to mean I'll handle it very well (I usually make a joke about their dated knowledge) but if some I don't like does it REALLY pisses me off. Luckily I like most...

[xMenace]

Oh I don't know. Over this side of the Atlantic, we have 'biscuits' as opposed to 'cookies'. Yes, cookies have invaded these fair lands but have found nowhere near the favour with the Brits as their native tipples as most of us find 'cookies' far, far too sweet and what with them being kind of floppy they just aren't right. And you can't dip them in your tea.

Anyway, most English biscuits are between 7 and 12g of carbs each and most of them are very nice indeed.

I know that 'biscuits' in America are something that people on the Springer show eat with gravy and a side order of Squirrel (or Possum, in season), but that is just one of those little differences in the language.



Yea, but Injecto is a Canuck. Over here our cookies are designed to keep us alive through the cold of winter, and do our winters get cooold!

darlingdesserts.com » Cookies For The Long, Cold Winter (http://darlingdesserts.com/blog/2007/01/03/cookies-for-the-long-cold-winter/)

Yea, my co-workers drive me to eat em too!

[slipperyelm]

Oh I don't know. Over this side of the Atlantic, we have 'biscuits' as opposed to 'cookies'. Yes, cookies have invaded these fair lands but have found nowhere near the favour with the Brits as their native tipples as most of us find 'cookies' far, far too sweet and what with them being kind of floppy they just aren't right. And you can't dip them in your tea.

Anyway, most English biscuits are between 7 and 12g of carbs each and most of them are very nice indeed.

I know that 'biscuits' in America are something that people on the Springer show eat with gravy and a side order of Squirrel (or Possum, in season), but that is just one of those little differences in the language.

Oh, no, we should never have let that Jerry Springer show get out of the US. How is it that everybody the world 'round has seen this embarrassment? In the US I think it is seen only by the unemployed and people home sick from work, as it comes on during most people's working hours. I understand that in the UK there has been a Springer opera. OMG!

That aside, I wanted to mention that I've always wondered how the biscuits/cookies divergence occurred. Tracing back my paternal ancestors three generations, we come to a a woman who for a while baked enough "cookies" to fill wooden barrels to sell to families heading west over the plains to homestead. The recipe has been handed down and they are called "wagon wheel" cookies, in acknowlegment of the way the cookies were to be carried over the prairie. Americans would call them a sugar cookie, though wagon wheels are simpler, harder, and less sweet than typical sugar cookies. Maybe they would pass in the UK for biscuits, yet my great-grandmother called them cookies. And she came from Northern Ireland; how 'bout that?

Then there is the huge company, Nabisco, to consider. Nabisco must have come out of the same age as my great grandmother, yet the name is short for National Biscuit Company. And what does Nabisco make? Breakfast cereals, crackers, and cookies. I don't think they call a one of them a biscuit. Oh, I imagine "crackers" also means something different in the UK than it does here. (Those toy poppers at New Year's Day?) But let me not get into another confusing topic beyond briefly mentioning that my southern brother in law calls anyone he does not like a "cracker."

Oh, and biscuits are a lot like scones, but smaller, a bit softer, and with no hint of sugar in them. Normally, they are eaten hot from the oven, as soon as the possum is done. As a low carb eater, I usually decline the biscuits and just have a flax seed muffin with my possum.

[Injecto]

Yea, but Injecto is a Canuck. Over here our cookies are designed to keep us alive through the cold of winter, and do our winters get cooold!


Oh, I thought that was just common knowledge...sorry guys... :D

[Penny]

I love biscuits....unfortunately, I have not had one for years. They are good with about anything, smothered in real butter and honey.......did you ever eat them at Bob Evans?! My grandmother called her cookies biscuits, but probably because her grandmother grew up in England (a place called Dunfield Fife, I think). I am trying to upload a picture for you Brits...I think biscuits are more like scones too, not sweet at all and if you had one, you would be hooked. I will not be able to get them off my mind now...if I could only just eat one, I would make some for the family!

[Alice]

I've lived all over the US and can assure our Brit friends that even Americans can ruin a good biscuit. The best biscuits are from "The South" and are made with Martha White flour or White Lily flour. It has something to do with the wheat chemistry. I cracked up when William Sonoma started offering White Lily Flour as a "gourmet" flour in it's catalog a few years ago. That's what we always used in TN...

I don't suggest ordering a biscuit in NYC or Chicago...definitely not Los Angeles!

[slipperyelm]

Alice, I am from the south and I never learned to make biscuits prperly. Mine barely rise in the oven and could just about double as hockey pucks. I decided it really is the flour that makes the difference. I could get Martha White here in the midwest, but my family doesn't even like biscuits so I'd be the only one tempted. No-no: low carb is my mantra.

Now what was this thread about?

[Injecto]

Now what was this thread about?

Apparently a debate between cookies and biscuits, their associated carb counts, and some little thing about which country created what...

[jvetter18]

Until there are millions spent on TV advertising (to hit the intelligence level of most Americans) for a public information spot about diabetes...the message will never break through the generations of people...including nurses, dieticians, etc., who grow up hearing the incorrect, out-of-date urban legend of diabetes and sugar.

To be honest, I blame it on many diabetics themselves...instead of standing up to bullies and passive aggressive sugar police.

You are sooooo right. And everyone knows, if it's not on TV it's just not true.

Personally my favorite is the dirty look i get when i try to return my Ice Coffee in the drive thru. "Would you like a donut or a muffin w/ that....":eek:

[volleyball]

These threads are like where you get a circle and say something to the person next to you and then wait for it to get back to you. Never what you started with

[Penny]

These threads are like where you get a circle and say something to the person next to you and then wait for it to get back to you. Never what you started with

I always liked that game when I was a kid. :D

[DeusXM]

Whilst I'll happily inject in public (though I'm very discreet and most folks would never notice) I sometimes sneak away these days and whack in a dose when I'm with new people. It's not that I'm embaressed or anything, it's just that I really cannot be bothered with the diabetes conversation and would rather be talking about something else where I'm not the only one at the table with an informed opinion.

Jeez I thought it was just me who felt like that. That's a relief!

My grandmother called her cookies biscuits, but probably because her grandmother grew up in England (a place called Dunfield Fife, I think).

Scotland, surely?

[Penny]

Jeez I thought it was just me who felt like that. That's a relief!



Scotland, surely?

I was told it was England. I tried to google it, but could not find it. The person who does our genealogy for that branch, said it was a castle in England, but our ancestors were workers, not owners.

[DeusXM]

You don't mean 'Dunfermline, Fife', by any chance, do you? That's definitely in Scotland - in fact it's the former Scottish capital.

[cheryl]

I love to eat my reese's cups or peanut mm's infront of people, they are like omg, isn't that bad for you, and then since I eat a work breakfast and lunch and small snacks sometimes too, I hear I should be a fat cow with all I eat, ummm well excuse me but what I ate, all day still is less carbs and calories then all that coffee soda, big taco bell meal and whatever you just consumed.........LOL.....

Gots to laugh about it.....

but a fat cow, from a small bagel an apple, an granola bar a sandwhich pretzels and free veggies, please......LOL


Cheryl

[Penny]

You don't mean 'Dunfermline, Fife', by any chance, do you? That's definitely in Scotland - in fact it's the former Scottish capital.

Now you have me wondering! I have to dig out that branch of the family genealogy and see if I find proof or different names.

[Alice]

Injecto, your original post was about rude office people. I had the unique experience of getting a lecture from a fellow diabetic I had just met at a big conference luncheon. You know those luncheons where 500 people are being served, 10 at a round table...you eat whatever is put in front of you. In my case, I look it over and decide what I'm going to eat.

I get to the table and decide which seat is closest to the "least annoying" stranger at the table. Before I sat down I heard one lady complain that they weren't serving her "diabetic meals"...that she could eat absolutely no carbs. She yelled at the server and of course, he didn't know what she was talking about. Diabetic meal?

So, I take a seat furthest from her and say hello. She continues to berate the poor server (why didn't she pack a lunch?) and he offers to bring her a vegan plate which just made her even more upset.

I smiled and said...Yes, I'm diabetic too. By this time, I'd eaten the taco salad (nibbled at the shell), and whatever else was being served. She told the entire table I shouldn't be eating carbs. I simply smiled and said...not that it matters, but I take insulin to cover my carbs...and have for 41 years. I then ate half my dessert and she just sat there, without any food, and watched in amazement.

I always take my Humalog after meals at a banquet, you don't know how much of anything you'll actually eat. When I was ready to take my injection (and I normally head to the restroom to avoid the annoying comments)...I moved next to her and said...watch how simple this is...and she watched me take a few units of Humalog with my pen...through my clothing.

She said her doctor told her she needed to be on meds, but she refused. I told her she was losing the battle and also not getting to eat...forget desserts, but what about fruit? She agreed and I gave her a hug.

After I went back to my seat...she leaned over to a "former nurse" and whispered..."Did you see her inject right through her clothing?"...That was the funniest thing.

Next day on a field trip (two-hour bus ride) we were served sandwiches on the bus...she waited til we arrived at the destination and started a new "I need to find a place where I can eat No Carbs"...She could have eaten the meat, lettuce, cheese and such on the sandwich, if that's the route.

I really feel diabetics need to control their food supply if they are going to go down that "narrow road"...no one else is going to make it easy for you. I was a little irritated with her public outcry. A no-carber scolding me for eating my lunch? The old me would have ignored it...the new me will at least try to explain/show insulin to her.

[volleyball]

There is a big difference between educating people and "THE WORLD IS ALL ABOUT ME" so I will make a big deal about everything

[pizzaman3]

injecto --i know what you are saying ------i new this was going to be a problem for me allso ----i worked for seveal employers---- and i told knowone ever about diabetes -----i never ever would allow anyone to ever say i was a diabetec ------to this day i still refuse to ever admit that i am a diabetec -----and i went through shcool in the 70,s and graduate in 1980 but all through school i never ever told anyone i was diabetec i remember in school with rubbery legs from nph animal base insulin every day at 10;30am with low bs thats why i cant spell wiseguy i was low in school ,after school , i worked for people and didnt tell them eather lost a lot of jobs from them knowing there was somthing diferant about me -----anyway the pizza buisness is where i made all my money ----not if i get low wares the food ---its more like when i get low theres the food ----and being the boss when i get low i eat -----and i can continue to hide the fact that i am diabetec it is so much better when people leave me alone when i am taking a drink of orange soda, some of my employies are type 2 they tell me and i dont say much like i dont know much about diabetes , all i say is you got to keep a close eye on your self -----talking about it at the wrong time is not the right thing to do -----i cant take the preasure and be put on the spot ----thats why for me know one can know -richard 157 knows me better than anyone else --------richard and me had a argument about a piece of candy on dlife and richard 157 was right i was the ideot in that discushion ------pizzaman current bs 68 ---- when the pizzaman is wrong he will take his punishment ----but if i dont think im wrong i will fight it to the end becouse this is my life we are talking about here -----not a new truck that a sales man is trying to sell me my disishion have to be corect mistakes will only cause me bad health ----