Got my results from the doc.......all the numbers

[cheryl]

Total Cholesterol........204 range 100-199

Triglycerides 35 range 0-149

HDL 62 range 40-59

LDL 135 range 0-99


VLDL 7 range 5-40


My good cholesterol is high so what does that mean LOL...and my triglycerides is excellent.......




Oh and I got another question.....

What is this BUN, and BUN/Creatinine whatever the numbers were lower thent the range

The BUN is 4 range is 5-26


And the BUN Creatinine ratio is
7 the range is supposed to be 8-27

Other then that all my CBC came out perfect

The other metabolic panels besides the Creatinine came out perfect...Hepatatic function panal is fine....

and of course my A1C is not non diabetic range it is 6.5.....LOL

but my Glucose serum was 65 LOL.....I don't remember being low, but I was just finished with a snack cause I was only 90 two hours after breakfast so hmmmmm LOL...

So what does all this mean any smart people out there KNOW

Also should i even worry about cholesterol since this was done and I wasn't fasting doesn't this skew the results a tad bit.......makes sense my HDL, might of been high, I ate oatmeal for breakfast or and put that good butter in it promise that raises the HDL or whatever I dunno I am dumb



Cheryl

[owlyn]

If you weren't fasting, your cholesterol results and BUN:creatinine are meaningless. You need to do it all over again, and do an 8 hour fast. Why didn't you fast? It will now cost someone (you, your insurance company, and therefor others, or if paid by the government, us, the public) more money.

[painthorse]

Oh and I got another question.....

What is this BUN, and BUN/Creatinine whatever the numbers were lower thent the range

The BUN is 4 range is 5-26


And the BUN Creatinine ratio is
7 the range is supposed to be 8-27


Cheryl

I believe these relate to kidney function.

[shockme]

hey cheryl! bun and creatinine are indicators of renal [kidney ] function. low numbers are good-means your kidneys are good! trish

[cheryl]

If you weren't fasting, your cholesterol results and BUN:creatinine are meaningless. You need to do it all over again, and do an 8 hour fast. Why didn't you fast? It will now cost someone (you, your insurance company, and therefor others, or if paid by the government, us, the public) more money.

what's up your butt.....I didn't think about it the doc didn't tell me too, and I cannot function without food, sorry for asking

Then I thought about it today it just hit me.....I think someone is tired of paying taxes LOL.....

And you know what, I cannot stand people that act like that.....**** you know what I wish you lived half my life, and you'd understand why the **** I do things the way I do, I don't think anyone barely can do the things I do, with the amount of stuff I am responsible for...........I am going to say this again don't judge me or give me a **** lecture unless you actually live in my shoes, I BET your diabetes would fall apart and fade, IF YOU EVEN HAD MY LIFE, and you know what I am proud, of the fact I can balance more then most...


Cheryl

[cheryl]

hey cheryl! bun and creatinine are indicators of renal [kidney ] function. low numbers are good-means your kidneys are good! trish


Yea, I was at football today, at two games, and I asked this nurse friend I had about it....she told me it had to do with protein or something to that affect, I guess I am flushing good......Yay another thing not falling apart just the artieries LOL:T

Cheryl

[JediSurfer]

Hey Cheryl,

Your results all look pretty good to me considering how long you have been diabetic. Wouldn't worry about the cholesterol too much. Its easy to reduce those numbers. I think eating slightly less salty foods can sort that. somebody correct me if I am wrong.

I love it when people start talking about money and the like when it comes to health care and life.

"If you weren't fasting, your cholesterol results and BUN:creatinine are meaningless. You need to do it all over again, and do an 8 hour fast. Why didn't you fast? It will now cost someone (you, your insurance company, and therefor others, or if paid by the government, us, the public) more money."

sounds to me like you don't pay enough taxes and slighty bitter that Cheryl is hard working and getting the care she needs. maybe you should go suck on some oil.

All I can say is what a pile of **** and what the **** are you talking about. To be honest that sort of talk is wrong and inhumane. I suppose it ok to pay armies around the world to bomb innocent women and children but when it comes to your own peoples health care its a different matter. Right?

Makes me mad. In the last six months with all the testing for complications the cost for the NHS has run into the thousands of pounds. More money than you probably earn in a year. Yet nobody here in the health care system we have has ever mentioned cost. why is that? You cannot put a price on life Full Stop


Good to hear you are nearly within designated parameters Cheryl. Kidneys are one our main concerns really so the news is excellent.

Peace n love

Rich

[owlyn]

JediSurfer,

Both of those tests require fasting. I wasn't sure before I posted, so I researched it first. In fact, before I read about the non-fasting, I had composed a post advising asking about a statin, and that the BUN:C ratio was good except that it might indicate a slight bit of dehydration. But then I read about the non-fasting and did some additional research. Maybe you should try that before telling me to go suck oil. If there was no fasting, the results are skewed, and therefore meaningless.

It's really nice for everyone here to be cheerleaders for each other, and there is certainly value in that. But- the fact remains that the tests need to be done over again, and she needs to fast first. Otherwise, the tests are meaningless, and a waste of time and money. Someone else could have used the appointment where the blood was drawn, and, as I said, someone, and I don't know who, will need to pay for them again. Or maybe you don't care who has to pay for them. If someone else is paying for the meaningless tests, what the heck- let them pay for it. Nice attitude. That will surely keep insurance premiums affordable and taxes low. She might be paying for them out of pocket for all I know, in which case, I really don't give a (fill in your 4 letter word here) (except for the appointment time).

So Cheryl, don't fast, take your tests and be misguided by all the cheerleaders here telling you the numbers are great even though the results may be skewed. That'll keep you real healthy.

Signed,

Just looking out for your best interests as well as those of society.

[cheryl]

You know what Rich, I love ya.........You kick some serious blank blank....

Thanks for your encouragement, I was more concerned cause they want me to start on med's but I am really starting to see this causes more harm then good.....It's like you can try to fight a heartattack, but then you run the risk of congestive heartfaliure and much more......

So, I dunno, I think I am gonna pass on the drugs unitl further notice and do another blood test in three months and find out, and I will fast....and I am upping foods in vitamin b1, and all, since diabetics are known to have a defiency in them....

Cheryl

[cheryl]

Owlyn,

The point was it sounded like a lecture, I have insurance under my husband, so yea I pay for the co-pays, I will never use gov't assisted insurance it sucks, I'd rather go broke, even if we are all paying for the poor people's insurance thru taxes, it still sucks, atleast in TN, it does....So I will never subject myself to that horrible care ever again in my life. Point is get more mad at the gov't because we are paying for worthless care for the poor and needy anyway.........And go get mad at my doctor, because no one even told me to have a fasting, come to think about it, every blood test I have ever done was never a fasting, But It actually popped in my head today, thinking how come I have heard of all these people fasting, but I have never ever in my life had too, and this is numerous different doctors......

So I don't think I am to blame for this....at all, but now I know I should really fast, and will just wait the 3 months and get my butt more in gear.....just to be on the safe side, before I even attempt to pop pills, I got mad cause it was like you were lecturing me, and I really didn't think about it, since I technically never had to do it.....

Sorry for being mean, but you had jumped the gun too.....take care and I don't want to fight, let's let by gones be by gones....

Cheryl

[SueM]

My understanding was that the test does not need to be fasting, just as long as the lab knows then the diference can be taken into acount.
I have never done a fasting blood test and have no intention of ever doing so.

[owlyn]

Owlyn,
...

Sorry for being mean, but you had jumped the gun too.....take care and I don't want to fight, let's let by gones be by gones....

Cheryl

Sounds good to me! I'm sorry, too.

BTW, I've had where docs don't tell me to fast, so now I always ask, having been burned before. I always make the appointment to be their first one in the a.m.- that way, I can have my bedtime snack, and just skip coffee in the morning. No great hardship that way. I'm not eating between midnight and 8 am anyway :)

[JediSurfer]

If the tests do require testing it is the failure of the medical team for not informing Cheryl of this fact.
Noways lets not argue. I can be a little hot headed sometimes. I apologies if I offended you Owlyn. It wasn't my intention I was just trying to put my point across.

Cheryl, which med did they want you to take? I have had it suggested that I take a drug, the name of which evades me, that will contribute to healthy kidney function. But have heard the side effects can be very bad and my Professor told me that there is no need as the evidence for preventative measures are not necessarily a a good thing and the studies are still sketchy.

[JediSurfer]

My understanding was that the test does not need to be fasting, just as long as the lab knows then the diference can be taken into acount.
I have never done a fasting blood test and have no intention of ever doing so.

I was under the same impression too Sue.

[Cyborg]

Nice numbers. I think you may still want to get the LDL cholesterol lower. Under 100 is recommended for diabetics...

[cheryl]

Nice numbers. I think you may still want to get the LDL cholesterol lower. Under 100 is recommended for diabetics...

U know I am working on it, I think since and correct me if my thoughts are wrong, but there was a discussion about B-1 defiency in diabetics right. So if there is a deficiency in someone the risks of vascular disease and heart disease and Conjestive heart faliure, and altzhmeirs, is higher.

So since cholesterol, artieries, everything kind of all mix with the heart pumping and the bodies natural balance of all vitamins and minerals, would it be wrong in thinking that if someone has a B-1 defieceny and doesn't know it could possibly, have higher cholesterol, because the body is not balanced the way it is inteded to be....

I am going out on a ledge here, and totally thinking harder then my little brain, can go, since I do not use these big humongous words, I speak more lamens terms....just me.....New yorker baby original....

Ok back to the point...so I read what foods have one of the higest counts of b-1, so every day I eat a 1/4 of a cup of raw, not roasted, must be kept in the fridge sunflower seeds, I am eating oatmeal everyday, with walnuts.....I am drinking soy milk again everyday, sometimes with every meal a cup of it, because I found this stuff that is less carby......I am maintaining my apple a day, as usual.....coleslaw, my own mix of course with nayonaise or vegenaise instead of reg mayo, only once a week, will i indulge in my favorite bad habit....mayo....I will treat my lows with natural fruit juice, only.....no candy for right now......trying hard not to use dairy but I love love love those cheese stick the mozerella one's so it sucks, limiting my yoguart, hope they come out with lite soy yoguart the soy one is too too carby.....also, going to eat an orange a week, some pinapple once a week, eat tomato's every day.....and eat lentil soup once a week, I had stopped eating lentils a while back cause of the rise, but i am going to work with my pump to get it right, hey done it with chicken lately so I am willing and on my days off of work, I am going to do Billy Blanks Taebo cardio work out tape.....

OK whew, and if this does not help in three months I might have to consider alternate measures unless my a1c is still 6.5 if it is I will know that I probably need it 6.0 or below, and if I do achieve that and the cholesterol has not improved then I must consider it, but up until then only time will tell....

Cheryl

[cheryl]

If the tests do require testing it is the failure of the medical team for not informing Cheryl of this fact.
Noways lets not argue. I can be a little hot headed sometimes. I apologies if I offended you Owlyn. It wasn't my intention I was just trying to put my point across.

Cheryl, which med did they want you to take? I have had it suggested that I take a drug, the name of which evades me, that will contribute to healthy kidney function. But have heard the side effects can be very bad and my Professor told me that there is no need as the evidence for preventative measures are not necessarily a a good thing and the studies are still sketchy.

Ok, the med's they want me on for the protection of kidneys is Lotensin 10 mg...and for cholesterol Zocor 40 mg....still sitting in the medicine cabinet.....LOL.....

Cheryl

[Alice]

Cheryl, please keep an open mind on the meds. All the "side affects" you hear about are a very small percentage of the people taking the drugs. There are also a lot of "urban myths" about the drugs, so please talk to your own doctor.

I'm only speaking for myself, but I feel the benefits outweigh the risks in my case. I am tested regularly to check liver numbers and have had no problems. For some people, it's very difficult to lower the numbers even through healthy eating & exercise...it can be hereditary. I'm not overweight and am in good physical shape. I take them for preventative reasons.

And regarding fasting, I've taken the test both fasting & not fasting...can't really tell a big difference either way. I try to fast, but sometimes I just have to eat.

You will get a lot of opinions about meds on these forums...please talk to your doctor. If he has prescribed them, then he's assuming you're taking them...or that you need them.

Go Vols!

[cheryl]

I am, and all, but then I am hit in the head about my grandmother dying of Conjestive heart faliure, her a1c was excellent, she was on the combo's, she was on all this stuff to prevent all this other stuff, everything, and she is dead at 72, then I read that certain drugs cause a lack of B-1, which can lead to conjestive heart faliure and ding ding ding, the light bulb goes on in the head, Now I am only going by what happened to my grandmother, but you know she is blood and genentics, and what is the point of doing all this and still dying at 72 too young to die, and too young for her to leave me, her favorite first born granddaughter, and she worked very hard in taking the best care of herself she knew possible and listening to doc's even though I didn't think it was the best advice and all, but I didn't pry, but deep down something wasn't right, and I would try to talk to her, in a way, but you know she said my levels are good....Her death is still too strong on my heart, and sometimes her death, makes me want to cry my eyes out, and in her dying so young, makes me think that there was a purpose or a reason, and if that reason is to keep me around longer, which I know would of been something she wanted, because she was always scared to death everytime I got pregnant, then you know what I am trying to say..........She just died way too young in my opinion, I loved her too much for her to go like that...

So you know I am just thinking really hard here...

Cheryl

[Alice]

Yes, it's difficult watching our family members die...always too early. My sister died last summer at the age of 41...very "healthy" non-D...she died suddently before work one morning after getting dressed. Brain aneurisym (sp?)...left behind a 17-year old daughter. So, really, age isn't an issue here.

[volleyball]

Cheryl, if you a genetically very close to your grandmother, I'd take that as a good indicator. But if you are quite different, it may not mean so much.
I'm not much for putting stock in preventative medicine. maybe if the odds were high enough and their was science behind it. Just because people of one group tend to have another trait, doesn't mean they are related. Think racial issues, you would not think someone of a certain background was the same as their stereotype. Good chance they are, but good chance they are not. You have to make an informed decision and monitor your decision as you go along. change it if you get new information.

[lindabelle]

Cheryl, some of your results are useless aka inaccurate because you ate before you went to the doctors office. At my doctors office if I even had to treat a hypo that morning she reschedules me for blood draws or send me to their lab another day. It's just like how if with a 24hr urine anaylasis if you spill or skip a pee in the jug its just inaccurate. Same goes with some of those blood tests you had done.

[cheryl]

Look I grew up one side trying everything natural to live and beat the odds, that is my mother's side, ummmmmmm well they live 80's and older,

Every flippin person on my dad's side only makes it tops early 70's if that most die in ther 60's.......

See, I lived two sides of the coin, I look at one half and see wow, look at that, I see the other half and think hmmm look at that...

I don't know why and how or whatever the reason I got type 1, type 2 runs rampit on my dad's side, and you are always late 40's 50's when they got it.....

I have strong genes period, I don't get sick barely, I still heal very easy, I still produce insulin, I have never went into insulin shock or have I been in a coma....with a bg of over 1200, diagnoised....

I am very extremely a strong person......I don't know if I want to break my strong will by popping pills at the moment....I dunno what to do...

I don't know who's side I am more like, I have traits of both, I am thin, healthy atleast I thought I was....

I don't know, you all don't get it, I am not into all the science mumbo jumbo, and the technical studies.....

Anyway, all I know is my Aunt on my mom's side had breast cancer, she never did kemo or anything, went all natural, and got the breast removed, that is about it, well this was the year I was born, so let's see 1978........

She is still alive and cancer free, all I am saying is that, I don't know if I should be popping pills when there is probably a healthier alternative for me at my age, I am well 29 tomorrow.....

So who knows what to do really.....

I will wait, till I get my blood drawn again in three months...

Cheryl

[Tucker]

I understand the pill popping BS, my self I only take what I truly know I need. Docs tried to give me pills for high cholesterol, well instead I started taking Niacin and Policosanol and stayed away from a lot of fatty foods, not all fatty foods I may say and I went from 200 down to 137.
My good cholesterol was low but I improved that with fish oil and flaxeed.

I look at your numbers and to be truthfull your good cholesterol will kick your bad cholesterol's ***. You have great numbers eating or not before the test.

But as far as pills and popping them, make your own decisions!
Don't be purswaded by Docs who feel pushing pills is the only way out!

Good Luck