Pizza??

[Barbarainnc]

I'm trying to be good when eating because my hubby can't eat like he use to. I hate to eat things he can't have. So I'm eating like him to help me take off some pounds. Diabetes runs on both sides of my family. What about pizza, thin crust pepperoni? How many pieces can he have. He usually eats 4. I quess he will have to cut back.Anyone have a lower carb pizza crust recipe? Thanks for your help.

[bryan42]

Hello Barb.....How many slices can he have? the answer is 0 for most of us, unless he doesnt mind a spike in his sugar level.
I have tried several different versions of crust,and NONE of them kept me to low. I would spike to about 120 after 1 slice.
Its probably best for him to have it occasionally,but try to eliminate ie altogether. :(
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[LoDeSp]

The only way to tell is to try & see. Thin crust pizza never seems to bother me, though my target is higher than Bryan's -- I'm happy at less than 140 after two hours. The last time I had thin crust pizza (four slices), I was at 128 after two hours. The last time I had thick crust pizza, I was at 186 after two hours.

[Diana]

Hi!

Pepperoni pizza is never likley to be a health food! The meat is just too fatty, not to mention the large amounts of cheese found on most commercially made pizzas.

I make a home made vegetarian pizza that is quite healthy - pita bread base, tomato paste spread on base, lots of mushrooms, capsicum (peppers? in the US?) tomato, some pineapple, and a small amount of low fat cheese. You could make a meat version by using lean meat as well.

[Handybear]

I make a meat based pizza at home. Take 1 lb of ground italian sausage and roll it out on a 9x13 parchment lined pan with a edge around it. It will be approximately 1/8th of an inch thick.

Place in 450 degree for 10 minutes

Remove from oven and drain grease

Top with you favorite low carb pizza sauce, add slice red peppers, mushrooms, slice red onions or whatever else you like. Add lots of mozzarella cheese, (I even put pepperoni on top of mine) return to the 450 degree oven and bake for 10 to
15 minutes until the cheese is melted and bubbly.

Let cool for 10 minutes and then enjoy!

[MJB]

Don't forget pizza sauce can have LOTS of carbs (sugar) in it. It varies wildly for me which pizza I can tolerate.

I like to have a good deep dish, like Giordano's or Gino's East, and I just leave the crust behind.

[princesslinda]

When i'm really craving pizza, i'll take a low-carb tortilla, add tomato sauce and dried italian seasonings, a few slices of pepperoni and cover with cheese. Ill put it in the oven on broil until the cheese is bubbly and beginning to brown. You could add the toppings of your choice, but go easy on the sauce as it can get runny. It's a good alternative and takes care of that craving. I've had a slice of regular thin-crust cheese pizza but it generally pushes my blood sugar higher than I like, AND one piece of thin crust just isn't enough for me.

[Gordonm]

Pepperoni pizza is a no no for me. It usually is OK 2 hours later but 4 to 6 hours because ofthe fat I can be at 200 easy. I have tried dual wave bolus and it still is not right. I have gotten to like a veggie thin crust pizza that works pretty well for me. I try to limit myself to only 2 slices. Any more than that and I will be quite high at 2 hours regardless of the bolus. 4 slices of pepperoni on a thick crust would probably be most people total carb intake for a day if not more. You will need to expirement around to see what works best. Test a lot though.

[volleyball]

Barb, pizza is fine, with pepperoni, even better. The problem is the amount he can eat. 4 slices was bad for him before and even worse now.
Yeah, you cannot eat the way you use to, that's part of the reason you're here now. MODERATION is your new mantra. The right pizza combination will now give such a spike as others but it's all going to be counted. Now that I've been into the program for awhile, I can eat 3 slices without much of a problem if its the right stuff and I prepare for it. He is no where near that point.
So 1 slice no more than once a week if he's been good, none if he's cheated. This idea applies to lots of thing, not just pizza.
If he is driven by goals, pick his weight, then say he can have 3 slices every time he hits a new goal weight, say if he's 220, then at 205 200 195 etc. If he's over those numbers, no pizza.
Glad you are following his diet guidelines, it will help you as well. You'll even find that you will learn to love new foods that are better for you

[orpy]

I can never have more than one slice of any kind without paying the price. Pizza and pasta just don't mix with diabetes (in my case).

Geez, spiking to 120!!??? I always considering spiking to be over 180 or in the 200s...

If I could eat and get a 120 reading, I'd be so happy.

[bryan42]

I can never have more than one slice of any kind without paying the price. Pizza and pasta just don't mix with diabetes (in my case).

Geez, spiking to 120!!??? I always considering spiking to be over 180 or in the 200s...

If I could eat and get a 120 reading, I'd be so happy.


I didnt think was 120 was good? From the sounds of it, thats pretty low??? If I ever climbed to 180 or higher, I think I would go to emergency!! :T Im really strict on myself and If I spike to 120, I immediately put myself on water and canned tuna for the next 3 meals

[orpy]

I didnt think was 120 was good? From the sounds of it, thats pretty low??? If I ever climbed to 180 or higher, I think I would go to emergency!! :T Im really strict on myself and If I spike to 120, I immediately put myself on water and canned tuna for the next 3 meals

That's great you can keep it so low...

I've been working hard for 3 years now and I consider 120 to be an acceptable number.

I don't think that 180 would call for an emergency...for me, if I'm under 140 two hours after eating, I'm very pleased and so is my endo...

I'm thin and starve myself...by the way.

I just don't want others to get upset/discouraged regarding their numbers...120 is no way spiking in my opinion.

Keep up the good control! :)

[kgm0612]

When i'm really craving pizza, i'll take a low-carb tortilla, add tomato sauce and dried italian seasonings, a few slices of pepperoni and cover with cheese. Ill put it in the oven on broil until the cheese is bubbly and beginning to brown

I make mine the same way as PrincessLinda, only I cook mine on the gas grill instead. The small tortilla's that I buy have 4g of carbs each and I usually can have 3 of them without a spike in my blood sugar.

Karen

[volleyball]

120 is good postmeal. We are all going to get higher numbers as our bodies don't regulate optiminally. Eating tuna for 3 meals does not sound like a healthy eating habit if you're not a shark.
If you are managing well, eating right, getting exercise, an occasional spike won't do any harm IMO. Its the days of high numbers that cause problems.

[jvetter18]

For type 2's, pizza is no longer an entree. It's more of our side dish to the huge salad that is needed to go along side the one or two small peices of pizza.

Watch out for sizing issues. 1 piece @ your pizzaria could be 3 slices @ mine. It's trial and error, just like Chinese food. But, be smart...look @ nutritional values and serving sizes. Pizza is one of those foods that you don't get alot of bang for your buck, nutrition/serving size wise. It's junk, that's why it's so good.

Just know....low carb, IMO, is no way to eat pizza. I'd rather eat cardboard w/ cheese if it's not the real thing.

I had Pizzeria Regina, a Boston landmark, last week. Sooooo gooood. I had one piece (they're pretty big)....and a nice salad. It's more than enough food...if you take your time.

[Who?]

There are many much smarter choices than pizza. Perhaps you should pick one of them.

[Barbarainnc]

I like the meat crust - cheese one and the low carb tortilla version. Thanks it is just hard to change all our habits thanks for being here to help us out.!!!!!:) :)

Barbara

[Wildbill]

Eating really good pizza is one of lifes pleasures. I can spike to mid 200s if I eat to my hearts content. And, I just don't worry about it, and I adjust my insulin to get back down. But!!! Very seldom do I do that. Just once in a great while when I take a little vacation for an evening from diabetes.

Real good pizza is the staff of life for me, and lots of other folks.

[Larry H.]

After several ups an downs in numbers of late perhaps my opinon isn't worth much here, and mainly it still seems to apply that for some one thing may cause great problems while others will easily get by with it.. A blanket yes or no doesn't seem the answer.

On the pizza issue, I was very nervous the other night when my mom decided to have our one serve schwann pizza for supper. that was because of late chicken and low carb veggies seemed to be causing trouble.. to my amazement after two hours exactly I had a 95. That included a small salad and two scoops of low fat ice cream.. Sometimes that chicken turnips and carrot and sent me into the 170's on one ocassion recently. Those single serve, thin crust schwann pizzas are I believe about 35 carbs each. Shouldn't most people be able to handle that amount of carbs?

[princesslinda]

Certainly most would be able to handle 35 carbs. I think sometimes the problem with pizza also also stems from the sauce. I know that Papa John's has a sweeter tasting crust and it does push my blood sugar higher than ones from Pizza Hut (even if I just eat the toppings, no crust).

Also, for me, portion control is difficult with pizza. On piece of thin-crust pizza just doesn't cut it. I'd just as soon not have it at all than to be limited to the one-piece option. I hate watching my husband have 3-4 pieces while i'm stuck trying to make my one piece last. That's why the low-carb tortilla version works for me...more bang for the buck

[volleyball]

There's a lot of corn syrup in those brand name pizza's. I only get local mom & pop stuff that I know I can trust.
You can eat as many slices as you want, just 1 every hour or 2 till you're done.

[Alice]

Linda...you should head to Big Ed's in Oak Ridge! I grew up on that Pizza! Carb count? I don't know...it's a thinner crust.

[FTW]

When we go out for pizza, I order a salad and a 6" personal pizza. I ask them to make the crust as thin as possible on it. I eat two pieces complete, and two pieces I just eat the topping. I also try to walk about 45 minutes after I eat.

At home, I use a low carb wrap or tortilla, brush the back with olive oil and top with pizza sauce, smoked ham, veggies, cheese, etc.

My numbers are good with either. Of course, YMMV.

Have you seen this? Newly Diagnosed aka Test, Test, Test (http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm)

[dodo]

I use whole-wheat pita breads as a pizza crust. The one I like has 35g of carbs and 7g of fiber for a big pita and I only eat half of it. And I only add veggies (and low-fat cheese)!

[princesslinda]

Linda...you should head to Big Ed's in Oak Ridge! I grew up on that Pizza! Carb count? I don't know...it's a thinner crust.


I remember "Big Ed's!" Its an institution in Oak Ridge...haven't had their pizza in probably 20 years...I do remember it being quite good though.

[painthorse]

I always thought the biggest problem with pizza(at least for me) was the beer!

[Bijou]

Pizza... I allow myself to have it, but not too often, no more then once a month. No name brands or chain store bought (that's easy cause I don't like it)... just fairgrounds pizza. But when I do have it, I try to not have too much. Alas, that fails more times then not.

[zoffmann]

Do your own low fat pizza at home - it is not so difficult.

Your pizza will taste better than this which you buy in pizzeria.

Only pizza I eat is homemade, by myself.

:)

[Tucker]

I didnt think was 120 was good? From the sounds of it, thats pretty low??? If I ever climbed to 180 or higher, I think I would go to emergency!! :T Im really strict on myself and If I spike to 120, I immediately put myself on water and canned tuna for the next 3 meals

A bit steep I would say, just put me in the ground if I would get to the point of eating canned tuna and water for three meals over a 2 hour 120 reading.

[ctskierguy]

I had three slices of real New Haven style thin crust pizza today for lunch. I was a little hungry.
Figured that they were about 45g of carb each. Did a dual wave bolus as per my CDE's instruction sheet and low and behold two hours later I was at 104.
I don't do pizza that often. About every two weeks I'll have a few slices.
Now I need to figure two ice cold Sam Adams into this so I can really enjoy friday lunch meetings.

Mike

[octoberlily]

Looking at Combining food flexibility with optimum diabetes control on an insulin pump book, Pizzas deep pan 1 medium slice 26-28 grams carb and 8-16 grams fat, thin crust 1 medium slice 14-15 grams of carbs, 6-12 of fat, stuffed crust 1 medium slice 36 grams of carb and 12 grams of fat. A very helpful book containing all carb foods ect. Also restaurant and fast foods lists just about everything for carb counting.

Julie

Type 1 diagnosed 6.12.1974

[EdnBama]

... Watch out for sizing issues. 1 piece @ your pizzaria could be 3 slices @ mine...

Reminds me of the joke about the guy who told the pizzeria to cut his pizza into 6 slices because he didn't think he could eat more than that. :D

[shades9323]

I have found that I can have a half of a medium thin crust pizza from hungry howies with no ill affects.:D

[KEVIN88GT]

I didnt think was 120 was good? From the sounds of it, thats pretty low??? If I ever climbed to 180 or higher, I think I would go to emergency!! :T Im really strict on myself and If I spike to 120, I immediately put myself on water and canned tuna for the next 3 meals

:hmmmm: I'm sorry but going to the ER at 180 mg/dl is stupidity.... The ER staff (such as myself) will laugh at you.... but hey... it's up to you... the average ER waiting time is several hours.... heck your BGL might be normoglycemic by the time you get examined...and then they'll really laugh at you.... please educate about when to see Emergency Medical Attention.

[Spbeyond]

I just had a stuffed crust pizza 4 hours ago and I am 102 I had around 4 slices. 2 hours after i was 132. So i guess it varries for everyone. (of course I used a heavy application of insulin) And im type one.

[kstreeter513]

I just had a stuffed crust pizza 4 hours ago and I am 102 I had around 4 slices. 2 hours after i was 132. So i guess it varries for everyone. (of course I used a heavy application of insulin) And im type one.

FMI (for my information), what did you bolus for that? Dual wave? How long? It would help as I have trouble with this issue myself.

[KEVIN88GT]

FMI (for my information), what did you bolus for that? Dual wave? How long? It would help as I have trouble with this issue myself.

Also curious how many carbs and what your ratio is...

[Spbeyond]

I wasn't on a pump at the time. (went on a pump today) I use around 30-1. What i did was use about 60 percent of what I was going to use up front. Waited about an hour tested and used the last 40 percent. Worked really great for me.

[iDream]

I usually have 5-6 pieces @ 7.3 a pop. 43.8 units for 6 yesterday....sugar doesnt move

[KEVIN88GT]

I usually have 5-6 pieces @ 7.3 a pop. 43.8 units for 6 yesterday....sugar doesnt move

holy ****.... 42 units? Brave man.....

[kstreeter513]

I usually have 5-6 pieces @ 7.3 a pop. 43.8 units for 6 yesterday....sugar doesnt move

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ant hill]

I usually have 5-6 pieces @ 7.3 a pop. 43.8 units for 6 yesterday....sugar doesnt move

Heh, But then what happends 2 hours after? :confused:

[deansreef]

pizza always gives me a low reading within an hr and then a high reading 3 hrs later- pasta the same. i try and avoid but my wife loves pasta and cooks it often

Dean

[silverfrost]

pizza always gives me a low reading within an hr and then a high reading 3 hrs later- pasta the same. i try and avoid but my wife loves pasta and cooks it often

Dean

Same here. I'm actually trying to figure out how to eat pizza and not spike 3 hours later... I wonder if eating first, then taking around 60% of insulin would be wise (so that I don't get a reading of 60 1 hour later). Then, maybe waiting an hour (or maybe even 1.5 hours) and taking the rest would work? Pizza is tough to deal with, but I do love it!

[ant hill]

Yeah Pizza is hard to judge on boluses as I find that it is a slow glucose release and I would do a dual bolus like to have the bolus now and another an hour later. :)

[Sheralyn]

Pardon me please if I'm wrong, but isn't 120 just fine after eating? I'd sure as heck be happy with that.

[CaptainMike]

Pardon me please if I'm wrong, but isn't 120 just fine after eating? I'd sure as heck be happy with that.

Most medical advice I've been given and have read over the past year is to strive for a 140 or lower for 2 hours after a meal.
The lower the better obviously. I'm always happy with a 120 PP reading, Heck, I'm happy with a 120 morning fasting (**** DP!!!:mad: )
edit** you can't say D_A_N_G???? WTF?

[surly_potato]

Honestly, when it comes to pizza I love it so much and just refuse to give it up or limit myself to less than what I really want. So I compensate by using a strong square wave on the pump and lots of exercise afterwards. I am usually quite successful and since my total cholesterol hovers around the 90 mark, I'm not too worried about the cheese, pepperoni, and such.

[xMenace]

I have to share a pic of the first pizzas I ever made all by my lonesome. I did the crust in my new bread maker and put on all the stuff I wanted: sausage, pepperoni, cayenne, tomatoes, green peppers, red peppers, marble cheese, and mozza cheese. I cooked the sausage in the cayenne with garlic and evoo. I froze most of it for quick dinners or lunches. It is heavenly :D

[Gabby123]

I buy frecshetta ultra thin crust cheese pizza and add alot of veggies like mushrooms,tomatoes,and green peppers. I am on byetta and metformin and I can eat 3 pcs with a reading under 140 in 2 hours,

[notme]

My favorite reciepe for pizza is goat cheese, articokes, mushrooms, olives, canadian bacon. It is hard to find, but every now and then we find a place that can make it. Excellent. I am not a pizza fan in general. NO tomato sauce.

[Richard157]

I had three slices of thin crispy supreme pizza at Pizza Hut at noon today. I eat pizza only at Pizza Hut because it is listed in the "Calorie King" booklet. I said that one-eighth of the medium sized pizza had 23 carbs. I allowed 25 since I had so many toppings. I had three slices so that was 75 carbs. I had a salad that I estimated at 10 carbs. That was a total of 85 carbs. My insulin/carb ratio for lunch is 1:5 so I needed 17 units of Humalog for my meal bolus. My blood sugar was 82 before lunch and 103 two hours later. I walked for one hour during the third hour after my meal. I know how much my walking lowers my blood sugar. I ate a snackof 10 carbs before walking and put my temporary bolus on my pump at 50%. At four hours after lunch my blood sugar was 112. It is still very good this evening. I used to have much trouble with highs after eating pizza. After much trial and error I have a routine that works.

Richard

[ant hill]

I have to share a pic of the first pizzas I ever made all by my lonesome. I did the crust in my new bread maker and put on all the stuff I wanted: sausage, pepperoni, cayenne, tomatoes, green peppers, red peppers, marble cheese, and mozza cheese. I cooked the sausage in the cayenne with garlic and evoo. I froze most of it for quick dinners or lunches. It is heavenly :D

http://www.diabetesforums.com/forum/attachments/restaurant-eating/2921d1200017180-pizza-pizzas.jpg

Aww John, Thats what I need some well caultered pizza. Druall :T :D