LSD and Diabetes

[SmurfPiel]

Hi, I've had Diabetes for about 4 years now (i'm currently a junior in high school) and I am wondering if lsd has any effects on my diabetes. I understand that you might forget to take your insulin or check your blood sugar. I also understand that i might not be able to recognize a high or a low, but, I am just asking if Lsd itself can cause my blood sugar to drop or rise.

[tanyatype1]

I don't know how it'll affect your D, but it might cause you to get some other horrible disease later in life. Google LSD - then decide if you wanta still take it.

[SmurfPiel]

I have been researching it and have found nothing about it causing diseases later on in life. The only ways to die from it are from accidently jumping off a building or by gettting so scared that you have a heart attack, both of which rarely happen. But I am still worried if Diabetes will affect it or not...does anyone else have any information.

[Carwy]

Go on ahead and take LSD and destroy your life before it even starts. However while doing it and if anything happens Don't come looking at me and a lot of other people on this forum for help. Because we will not help.

While your at it stop by this link and read all about your new found monkey.

InfoFacts - LSD (http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/LSD.html)

[JediSkipdogg]

All I have to ask is.....WHY do you want to take LSD?

[TenderVittleS]

I guess peer pressure's a bitc#! Anyway why don't you stick to weed or alcohol. I didn't know kids still did LSD.

[dgrilli]

Who is your Endo?

Dr. Timothy Leary? :eek:

[Dewey]

I have been researching it and have found nothing about it causing diseases later on in life. The only ways to die from it are from accidently jumping off a building or by gettting so scared that you have a heart attack, both of which rarely happen. But I am still worried if Diabetes will affect it or not...does anyone else have any information.
First off, this is not a good discussion for a family forum, esp. from a young person with a whole life ahead of you. Second, if you feel the need to "have" to try some sort of drug, why LSD (& not pot)!? Below are the effects of LSD, and from what I've read, effects are unpredictable, as are the profound mood swings (which can be highly dangerous), etc. Not only will your Diabetes be affected, but your entire brain functions will as well. Read this:

LSD (lysergic acid diethylamide) is one of the major drugs making up the hallucinogen class of drugs. Hallucinogens cause hallucinations—profound distortions in a person’s perception of reality. Hallucinogens cause their effects by disrupting the interaction of nerve cells and the neurotransmitter serotonin. Distributed throughout the brain and spinal cord, the serotonin system is involved in the control of behavioral, perceptual, and regulatory systems, including mood, hunger, body temperature, sexual behavior, muscle control, and sensory perception.

Under the influence of hallucinogens, people see images, hear sounds, and feel sensations that seem real but do not exist. Some hallucinogens also produce rapid, intense emotional swings. One of the most potent mood-changing chemicals, LSD, was discovered in 1938 and is manufactured from lysergic acid, which is found in ergot, a fungus that grows on rye and other grains.
Health Hazards

The effects of LSD are unpredictable. They depend on the amount taken; the user's personality, mood, and expectations; and the surroundings in which the drug is used. Usually, the user feels the first effects of the drug 30 to 90 minutes after taking it. The physical effects include dilated pupils, higher body temperature, increased heart rate and blood pressure, sweating, loss of appetite, sleeplessness, dry mouth, and tremors.

Sensations and feelings change much more dramatically than the physical signs. The user may feel several different emotions at once or swing rapidly from one emotion to another. If taken in a large enough dose, the drug produces delusions and visual hallucinations. The user’s sense of time and self changes. Sensations may seem to "cross over," giving the user the feeling of hearing colors and seeing sounds. These changes can be frightening and can cause panic.

Users refer to their experience with LSD as a "trip" and to acute adverse reactions as a "bad trip." These experiences are long; typically they begin to clear after about 12 hours.

Some LSD users experience severe, terrifying thoughts and feelings, fear of losing control, fear of insanity and death, and despair while using LSD. Some fatal accidents have occurred during states of LSD intoxication.

Many LSD users experience flashbacks, recurrence of certain aspects of a person's experience, without the user having taken the drug again. A flashback occurs suddenly, often without warning, and may occur within a few days or more than a year after LSD use. Flashbacks usually occur in people who use hallucinogens chronically or have an underlying personality problem; however, otherwise healthy people who use LSD occasionally may also have flashbacks. Bad trips and flashbacks are only part of the risks of LSD use. LSD users may manifest relatively long-lasting psychoses, such as schizophrenia or severe depression. It is difficult to determine the extent and mechanism of the LSD involvement in these illnesses.

Most users of LSD voluntarily decrease or stop its use over time. LSD is not considered an addictive drug since it does not produce compulsive drug-seeking behavior, as do cocaine, amphetamine, heroin, alcohol, and nicotine. However, like many of the addictive drugs, LSD produces tolerance, so some users who take the drug repeatedly must take progressively higher doses to achieve the state of intoxication that they had previously achieved. This is an extremely dangerous practice, given the unpredictability of the drug.

[grace girl]

I know one person who tried it once, and has had horrible flashbacks for 20 years since.
I know another person who tried it once...it was a horribly sad funeral. No, the lsd didn't kill them. They went psycho and threw themself in front of a moving train.
I would imagine you know some one who has tried it and they are (or seem) fine, so you think it's no big deal.

Why find out which side you're going to fall on?
It's not worth the risk.

[BlueSky]

The effects of LSD are primarily psychological. It is a psychoactive hallucinogenic. So it generally won't affect your blood sugar if things go well. But if you have a "bad trip", which is usually involves intense anxiety, there will be an adrenalin response and your blood sugar will most likely go through the roof. "Flashbacks", which can continue for years after you stop using the stuff, are likely to have a similar effect. They are usually accompanied by anxiety and paranoia. When adrenalin levels rise, the liver dumps sugar in the bloodstream and blood glucose rises sharply.

[tanyatype1]

My best friend had an absolute freak out one night on acid - she was freakin' out of control - it was really scary. Not fun. Don't try it, it's not worth it.

[caswellhb]

Yes. It will affect your Bg. You will experience spikes and lows. If you are really going to do this, and I hope you won't, please have someone with you who can test you and correct your bg as needed.

Heather.

[ant hill]

It's tough enough to deal with diabetes little own having LSD too. They only question is why?? plus the money you spend on this **** is better spent on lovely food.
I see too many people in mental hospitals who has taken their lives unsuccessfully and have to prove to a group of people to let you out into society and once that you are doing this you will be monitored for a long time. It's not worth the bother. :(

[xMenace]

The only ways to die from it are from accidently jumping off a building or by gettting so scared that you have a heart attack, both of which rarely happen. But I am still worried if Diabetes will affect it or not...does anyone else have any information.

Am I the only one who finds this funny? :D

Anyway, I've never tried it, but I know many that have. Most are probably still alive.

I'll give you the same answer I give for most unknowns: try it and test. Test at the 1/2, 1, 2, 4, 6, & 8 hr marks. Don't rely on one set of tests. It should be repeatable. If you get varied results, look for other variables. Check some of your tests by repeating on a different hand, if you can find it. If you still get varied results, be very very careful out there.

[caswellhb]

I agree but have a babysitter with you at all times. It is clear you are going to try it, so your own judgement will be impaired. You will need to have someone sober and clean with you throughout.

Heather.

[Eri's mom]

LSD is stupid. I was at a party while in college and STUPIDLY, when I went to use the bathroom, I left my beer behind. I came back, finished it and a little while later I was craving vodka and feeling a bit weird. People were just laughing, the ones who knew and they asked how I felt. I felt all weird., like I was melting and my brain was frying...and then they told me. By that time, I went from mixed drinks to just drinking the entire bottle of vodka by myself...I remember going into the bathroom(after passing out once while standing up), looking into the mirror, passing out and breaking my nose on the sink. I woke up w/ blood and vomit all in my hair b/c my head fell into the stopped up sink. Thank God someone pulled my head up, but then I passed out by the toilet w/ vomit all over and then I was in the bathtub w/ my friend throwing breadballs at me to try to absorb the alcohol.
It was completely not worth it. I would have never done it willingly...and just having someone drop it in my beer was completely wrong.
And yes, there are flashbacks b/c when I do look into mirrors at times I remember looking at myself all covered in blood and puke with my face looking like it was melting. (and believe me, just me looking in the mirror is scary, so add all that...horrid).
It was NOT fun at all and very embarrassing being on that end of the joke of the night.

[SmurfPiel]

Am I the only one who finds this funny? :D

Anyway, I've never tried it, but I know many that have. Most are probably still alive.

I'll give you the same answer I give for most unknowns: try it and test. Test at the 1/2, 1, 2, 4, 6, & 8 hr marks. Don't rely on one set of tests. It should be repeatable. If you get varied results, look for other variables. Check some of your tests by repeating on a different hand, if you can find it. If you still get varied results, be very very careful out there.

I agree but have a babysitter with you at all times. It is clear you are going to try it, so your own judgement will be impaired. You will need to have someone sober and clean with you throughout.

Heather.

I'd like to say thank you to both of these people for not completely shutting me down and actually answering my question with understanding. Yes, of course I will have someone taking care of me! I would never do it alone (and for those of you who think I have already done it, well, I haven't!...That's why i'm doing research first!). I also know that I shouldn't do it near a train, or on top of a building or near a window; I would do it in a safe environment with people making sure I don't kill myself.

Note:

-I understand LSD can change your perception very much, but that is the reason I am so interested in it; I am looking for a profound spiritual experience, i don't want to take it to just get high.

-Oh and LSD is NOT physically addictive, for those ignorant people out there.

[Jan B]

I did it when I was only 15 (3 yrs before becoming diabetic). I was away at summer school. One day after getting back home, I was just sitting on my parents stairs when I realized, I WAS CHANGED & SOMETHING WAS MISSING. It was over a year before I really felt ok again - like my brain was all back together. And yes, I did it a few times, not just once.

The very last time I did it, it was not enjoyable at all. Just a frenectic unhappiness with where I was. Not happy to be doing anything & couldn't find a satisfying way to be. My friend and I never did it again.

Then with my cocaine curiousity . . . my heart about scared me to death, so I never did that again either.

In some ways, having diabetes has saved my life. I can't drink as much alcohol, and I have to take enough drugs to take care of my health, there is no way in ____ I am going to risk my life like I used to.

Smurf - you are young and tough NOW . . . I wish I could change your mind. Sending you the best . . .

[xMenace]

I am looking for a profound spiritual experience, i don't want to take it to just get high.

Might I suggest you don't look too hard for them. They have a tendency to find you ;)

[Carwy]

-Oh and LSD is NOT physically addictive, for those ignorant people out there.
Your right it is not addictive. However most companies require a drug test before hiring a person on and they do look for it in the test. All I'm saying is please think long and hard before you do it. Is it what you want to do? Also the natives use payodie in their spiritual journeys.

It's also a hallucinogen and it is supervised by the medican men of the tribe. So the person is in a well controlled environment.

[mortis505]

You are obviously going to do this no matter what anyone says here, but please, and I cant stress this enough, please, make sure that the people with you are going to stay "sober" and that they know exactly what to do as far as testing you BG, administering insulin, providing food, talking you down, etc. In the event of a low, Avoid OJ!!!!!

I'm not going to provide horror stories or try to dissuade you. Thats for your own conscience.

[shiftzor]

Well you know what they say you dig your own grave. I hope you make an informed choice, its not like you can plead ignorance all the information sits in front of you. Its the same with all these drugs, you dont know how it will effect you until its too late.

[EasyType2]

You're planning on taking a very dangerous drug and you're concerned about BG!!??

That's a mite like a suicide concerned about catching a cold while freezing to death.

[Dewey]

-Oh and LSD is NOT physically addictive, for those ignorant people out there.
Not sure who you were referring to here, but I never said LSD was addictive. Also, not sure if you read the notes I quoted on LSD, but it too, said that it isn't addictive. What it did say, however, is that your body can grow accustomed to small amounts (if you use more than once) and thus, will start requiring more & more each time it's used.

I can't speak for how it will affect BGs, as each person is different & one cannot go solely on what happens to another person.

When this subject was first posted, I felt very uneasy about it (hence what I said in my first post). I felt uneasy, because I don't feel a young person should be using something that can cause serious mood swings, like LSD. I also feel that young folks have enough issues dealing with fluctuations of hormones, so some drug use can definitely pose more of a serious problem. Call me "cruel," "drill sergeant" like, or "mother hen-ish," but I care about you (even though I don't know you) and care about what may happen to you or to others as a result of usage. If you were to suffer a violent mood swing, or if you became violent, who's to say you might not cause serious harm to yourself or even to the person watching over you?

I'm just saying to think long & seriously about this before doing it. Is peyote as strong? If not, why not consider that?

[Schlep]

You're planning on taking a very dangerous drug and you're concerned about BG!!??

That's a mite like a suicide concerned about catching a cold while freezing to death.

Kind of like getting an alcohol swab before getting a fatal injection on death row. :confused:

[Carwy]

Kind of like getting an alcohol swab before getting a fatal injection on death row. :confused:
Kind of like get doused with gas and then lighting a cigarette?
or
Like jumping into a pit of rattlers?

[bucketmouth]

yes....it will make your bs rise extremely high and you could end up jumping off a building! do not take lsd....as if being a diabetic didnt suck enough lets eat acid!:(

[SmurfPiel]

Not sure who you were referring to here, but I never said LSD was addictive. Also, not sure if you read the notes I quoted on LSD, but it too, said that it isn't addictive. What it did say, however, is that your body can grow accustomed to small amounts (if you use more than once) and thus, will start requiring more & more each time it's used.

I can't speak for how it will affect BGs, as each person is different & one cannot go solely on what happens to another person.

When this subject was first posted, I felt very uneasy about it (hence what I said in my first post). I felt uneasy, because I don't feel a young person should be using something that can cause serious mood swings, like LSD. I also feel that young folks have enough issues dealing with fluctuations of hormones, so some drug use can definitely pose more of a serious problem. Call me "cruel," "drill sergeant" like, or "mother hen-ish," but I care about you (even though I don't know you) and care about what may happen to you or to others as a result of usage. If you were to suffer a violent mood swing, or if you became violent, who's to say you might not cause serious harm to yourself or even to the person watching over you?

I'm just saying to think long & seriously about this before doing it. Is peyote as strong? If not, why not consider that?


Hahaha, yeah, peyote is about twice as strong and can last about a day or two! It's only legal if your part of the Native American Church.

Anyways, I apreciate your concern for me, and I will think long and seriously about this before doing it.

[SmurfPiel]

yes....it will make your bs rise extremely high and you could end up jumping off a building! do not take lsd....as if being a diabetic didnt suck enough lets eat acid!:(


Where's your source?

[SmurfPiel]

EDIT: Actually, I was wrong, peyote does not last that long and lasts about the same length as LSD (10-12 hours)

[iDream]

"Acid/LSD/Trip
What might happen to me (mentally & physically)

Don't be surprised if you get hallucinations - its all part of the fun!
Peak = 1 hour - Whole trip = 4-8 hours
Please take acid only if you feel in high spirits before hand, this has a lot to do with whether or not you get a 'bad' trip.
Physically I felt a bit de-hydrated at some stages (probably down to eating too many sweets though).
What side effects 'It' could have on my condition
Sleep patterns can be disturbed
Regular use of Acid can cause future 'flashbacks'
It is not advisable for diabetics to trip too often, sometimes insulin intake may be forgotten about or ignored - not a good situation.
It is not advisable to trip regularly anyway - too much LSD can trigger mental health problem.
Whether I could hypo or not
Acid/LSD had no effect on my bloody sugar levels. A lot of diabetics who take acid tend to omit their insulin intake for the trip, my advice : DON'T! Take your insulin (maybe a few less units) eat a healthy meal, and carry sweets/sugar/coke throughout the trip. I realize that the thought of a hypo while under the influence of LSD isn't very pleasant, however your insulin intake is essential in avoidance of DKA.
While you are tripping you generally loose your appetite, a good idea is to drink sugar filled drink, such as coke/pepsi to keep your sugars up.
It is better to have short term high blood sugar than low blood sugar, and a lot less stressful.
What precautions to take if anything goes 'pear-shaped'
Remember : Sweets are essential pocket material. Carry something sweet at all times - **** you should know this being diabetic. If you feel giddy/dizzy or feel a hypo come on DON'T PANIC, Its cool, just munch away at your chocolate bar and you'll feel fine in a few minutes.
If you feel that your are heading into a bad trip, reassure yourself that it is the drug that is making you feel the way you do - nothing else. Just sit back and relax into it, concentrate on the things that make you happy. I found that the nicest thing to do if I felt at all bad was to think about the lyrics to 'strawberry fields' by The Beatles, bit bizarre but it worked for me.... might for you!
If you get a panic attack (heart beating at an alarmingly fast pace for no apparent reason), practice slow breathing techniques, you will feel better if you get into a rhythm.
It is advisable to have friends around you that know & trust, and you should always tell them that you are diabetic in case of any problems."

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I'm a junior, I know a diabetic who does all this....I do not...

[Harold]

Might I suggest you don't look too hard for them. They have a tendency to find you ;)How true, and if your tripping you'll likely miss it or forget it.

Hi, I've had Diabetes for about 4 years now (i'm currently a junior in high school) and I am wondering if lsd has any effects on my diabetes. I understand that you might forget to take your insulin or check your blood sugar. I also understand that i might not be able to recognize a high or a low, but, I am just asking if Lsd itself can cause my blood sugar to drop or rise.Since mood swings can change bg levels, YES. Vitamin B12 before and after helps with the aftermath. Another 10 hours of feeling wrung out after, do you think it's free? You will not not even want to see food and you will get thirsty, but not drink much. So be hydrated before. Besides toilets seem to be fascinating when tripping, but using them is not. One of those spiritual things. :eek: Did I mention you will forget most of it, and it really ends up being most boring after awhile. That gets some people into trouble because it will not stop because you want it too. Just like everything in life.

[beau91]

:) Hi SmurfPiel.I won't give you any advice.I know that if you wan't to try it you will.But be sure of your sources .Who selling you the stuff alot of sh..... out there.I was an addict for 20 years ,tried everything.Sober now for 20 years .Has for LSD tried it a couple of times .Had great trips but the one you remember are the bad ones.The last 2 .,Ended in the hospital
so be sure to have an ID or a bracelet to advise them your a diabetic.Because they don't really know what to do .Me i woke up the next morning tied in a bed They shoot me up with tranquilazers.So be carefull.And I still have Flashbacks.Bye Ricky

[Evermont]

Just google "Trizonal space warper" or (click here (http://dogfeathers.com/java/spirals.html)) to try it.

This isn't exactly a full on substitute for the whole LSD experience, just one of the fun aspects of it. I learned about this back in the early '80's in Omni (science) magazine. There was a tear out that you could put on a turntable and spin at 33 1/3 rpm's.

A TSW is a very peculiar optical illusion. The effects on the visual sense are dramatic and inexplicably similar to what LSD might have, but it's temporary, harmless, free, and simple. You can have all sorts of fun with it - for 10 seconds or so each time.

You're welcome - go nuts!

If you're currently under the influence of real LSD then click hear (http://scalzi.com/whatever/?p=216).

[SmurfPiel]

Just google "Trizonal space warper" or (click here (http://dogfeathers.com/java/spirals.html)) to try it.

This isn't exactly a full on substitute for the whole LSD experience, just one of the fun aspects of it. I learned about this back in the early '80's in Omni (science) magazine. There was a tear out that you could put on a turntable and spin at 33 1/3 rpm's.

A TSW is a very peculiar optical illusion. The effects on the visual sense are dramatic and inexplicably similar to what LSD might have, but it's temporary, harmless, free, and simple. You can have all sorts of fun with it - for 10 seconds or so each time.

You're welcome - go nuts!

If you're currently under the influence of real LSD then click hear (http://scalzi.com/whatever/?p=216).


Hahaha those illusions are really cool! No, I'm not on LSD right now.

[kstreeter513]

It sounds to me like you ARE going to try it, so I'm not going to tell you not to, or what might happen to you later in life (although I honestly don't think anything will). However I will let you in in what I have been through. I am 21 now and when I was 16 or 17 I tried hallucinogenic mushrooms twice. The first time was fun, the second time, not so great.

I am telling you this, not because I condone what you are doing (this could be very dangerous), but because I want you to be informed.

The first time I tried them, I truly was in a state of euphoria, however the only noticeable negative side effect was a feeling of discomfort. This discomfort was a feeling of butterflies in my stomach nothing more. I always have a hard time telling if I am low when I am nervous. So I couldn't tell if I was low or not so I checked and I wasn't. But that was the first (good) time.

The second time was NOT NOT NOT a good time. Everything started out fine as began to enter the trip, but this time I got those feelings in my stomach even worse. I really believed I was low. After somehow managing to check my BG I found I was in the 70's. I told my friend I was with that I no longer felt safe with these drugs in my system. I ate some food and checked again later. I don't know how much later it was, could have been one minute, could have been 1 year. I had no idea. It was no lower than before, but no higher either.
Being on drugs like these really affect your mind in no describable way, so bear with me as I try to describe what happened. For some reason I just assumed when I told my friend I no longer felt safe, he called for help. I still felt low and I was shaky and sweating profusely. Don't know if it was the drugs or my BG, but I honestly believed in my heart that I would not live through the evening. I thought my BG would continue to fall and so would I along with it. After hours of complete misery, deep depression and intense fear of dieing, I survived. But I never did, and never will do ANY sort of hallucinogenic drug again.

These drugs really do distort reality in ways unimaginable. I won't lie. This could be good (if you can handle it), but it could be very, very bad too. If you do decide to try it, I would like to know how everything worked out, so keep me posted, but be warned.

[kstreeter513]

Hahaha those illusions are really cool! No, I'm not on LSD right now.

If you're still not trippin, listen to this...YouTube - Stairway to heaven reverse message (http://youtube.com/watch?v=dkwFi_V166A) but if you are, omit until later.......can anyone say creepy??

[caswellhb]

Wow, that is weird!!!!!!!!!!

Heather.

[iDream]

stairway to heaven has been know forever....

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some cool ones there...
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[rakasis]

iDreams 12-22-2007, 12:15 AM post has alot of good tips. Don't let anyone scare you into not taking acid. Obviously if your thinking about it your open minded and can make your own decisions. I have done it 3-4 times in the last 5 years and can say it was a pleasurable experience. The first time I did it I was like you and VERY concerned about my diabetes. Particularly concerned about my sugars dropping and not being able to feel it. For this reason I purposely ran high sugars for the day and made sure to have a sober person around to make sure I ate occasionally. As I became comfortable with it I skipped the sober person and tripped with all of my friends. The most important thing is to remember whatever you are feeling is temporary and you will be fine in the morning. It baffles me how people can encourage addictive practices like drinking and put you down for experimenting. There is nothing wrong with lsd in low doses. If you need to change the way you feel with drugs on a regular basis :( , stick to weed and you will stay outta the hospital (until you develop lung cancer).

[deansreef]

just say NO to LSD

[Dewey]

Don't let anyone scare you into not taking acid. Obviously if your thinking about it your open minded and can make your own decisions.
Sorry, but I fail to see your logic here...I don't see how people who decide against taking LSD makes them any less "open-minded" than anyone who has tried the drug. That makes no sense to me whatsoever.

It baffles me how people can encourage addictive practices like drinking and put you down for experimenting. There is nothing wrong with lsd in low doses. If you need to change the way you feel with drugs on a regular basis :( , stick to weed and you will stay outta the hospital (until you develop lung cancer).
Once again, am I missing something here? Not sure who encouraged drinking (I know I don't/didn't), but I feel that experimenting with drugs such as LSD can be just as dangerous as drinking...I believe that's why so many people were concerned in their replies. What one person may experience from using LSD, another may not....One may have a good experience, but others may have a "bad trip."

Lastly, I feel that weed is not as strong as LSD and thus, if used in moderation, would not be as harsh (i.e. as to cause Cancer....let's not forget that there are Many additives in regular cigarettes that are NOT in pot). All too often, pot/marijuana gets a bad rap from folks when it's been helpful on a medicinal level. I had a friend who had bone Cancer & had a card on him at all times, stating he was allowed to have x amount of pot on him. He was thin as a rail from the Cancer, but the pot aided his appetite & helped ease the pain that was otherwise unbearable. I think that if pot was used in moderation (& no chemicals were added to it), that it would not be so likely to cause lung cancer.

Just wanted to clarify some thoughts that I had and that others may have shared here.

[Mick]

I guess I'll have to be the adult objective authority on this issue, no arguements allowed. I understand this issue from the inside and from the outside, as a 55 year old authority figure--a veteran of 30 years teaching high school, and as that 18-23 year old kid in the late 60s-early 70s, who did something like 50 trips on LSD, mescaline, peyote and psilocybin. I became diabetic at the age of 13, so all of my 50 trips were done while I was on insulin.

This stuff IS potentially dangerous, no way around that--it is VERY heavy. I did months and months of preparation prior to my first trip--and always always always had a person to stay around and keep us safe--we always called this person, "Capt. Trips". This person was always an experienced tripster himself, and would keep us from doing those stupid, careless things, keep the atmosphere positive to steer us into good trips, and make sure my diabetes was safely managed. Some of my trips were major life events for me, huge turing points, revelations of the inner content and potentials of life. Some were cartoons, amusements, divertissments, nothing more. A very few were frightening descents into chaos and confusion. But they all integrated into the flow of my personhood, into the whole that fused from all of the "stuff" that happens to you. They were spiritual in overall impact, almost mystical when taken as a whole over the period of years when I was doing it. They served as a jumping-off point from which I pursued other spritual paths during the rest of my life, so in that sense, they afforded me a first foothold into my adult faith, practices and beliefs. In that sense, my psychedelic experiences were an important part of my becoming, of my self-realization.

Do I recommend LSD? Absolutely not--it's a risky business, in my opinion, especially today, when there IS no real LSD anymore--back then, we often had pure, lab-quality substances, very reliable. Today, everything is from the streets, and so risky from the start. Also, there isn't the understanding of the dynamics of the psychedelic trip--how to "do" it correctly--it's an art, and it involves a fair deal of preparatory work--it's NOT to be undertaken lightly.

I wish you good fortune in your journey, friend--go safely, with your eyes open and your heart pure.

Michael

[rakasis]

This is a response to some of Dewey's comments. I know I am playing with fire here as they are a "super moderator". I will try to clarify what I was saying as my logic isn't clearly understood.

1. I was not saying that people who haven't tried LSD are not open minded. Being open minded mean you consider all view points before making a decision. The posters who leave messages like just say NO to LSD and Go on ahead and take LSD and destroy your life before it even starts.are not helping in the discussion. I feel these comments come from a place of judgement and not a place of respect for others experiences and opinions. Frankly those comments hint towards ignorance on the matter. I do feel those who do not use LSD are welcome to their opinions on this board but they should reserve judgement.

2. I believe TenderVittleS suggested Why don't you stick to weed or alcohol? When you stated that LSD could be just as dangerous as drinking for a diabetic I disagree. From a purely physical standpoint, the affects of drinking on your BG levels are far stronger than LSD. This is excluding the raising of BG from adrenaline as this can happen under the effects of both substances. You do make a good point by pointing out that LSD experiences differ. The next post by MICK goes on to say that LSD sources are unreliable compared to in the 60's. This is VERY true. If you don't trust your dealer or you don't know anyone who has taken a hit from the batch you got, DON"T TAKE IT or bad things will happen.

3. Your third point is very valid. I was not putting weed down, just stating that even the most reasonable substance for diabetics has its consequences. The smoke from weed may cause many types of Cancer or more likely Emphysema. A good way to avoid these complications for any weed smoker is to get a vaporizer. My veins are thin enough as it is, I don't need to worsen the problem. :T

In a perfect world we wouldn't have to use any substance to change the way we feel. But the world is a rough place and sometimes people just need to unwind. Even diabetics.

LSD is non habit forming and has been found to lose its appeal to the user after the first few doses. You want a drug to be worried about. Crystal Meth is going to destroy a million times more lives than LSD.

[ant hill]

You want a drug to be worried about. Crystal Meth is going to destroy a million times more lives than LSD.

This thread is getting above board as this is forum is to help people with their diabetes, Not to help people with illicit drugs.
It's bad enough having to get good control and enjoy life.

There is something to be learned here and that is once that you have enjoyed a buzz from a drug then you will be back for more and the longer that you use that drug it will affect your life in a modification that you won't like and this cannot be reversed.
This you may say "just an experiment" Think again.

[Harold]

This thread has run it's course so I am closing it. On a closing note I would like to say that it was not closed earlier because I thought it fair have both kinds of advice given light. This was because as anyone that has been there knows it is best to get advice from experience. Besides when I was a teen telling me not to do something I did not see morally wrong was a mistake. Sort of like daring me.