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Rob43
01-21-2008, 07:34 AM
Vitamin E supplements can significantly reduce the risk of heart attacks and related deaths for Type 2 diabetics who carry a particular version of a gene, according to researchers at the Technion-Israel Institute of Technology and Clalit Health Services in Israel.


After 18 months of treatment, people with the haptoglobin (Hp) 2-2 gene who took 400 International Units (IU) of vitamin E daily had more than 50 percent fewer heart attacks, strokes, and related deaths than Hp 2-2 patients who took a placebo pill. 40% of individuals with diabetes carry the Hp 2-2 gene.


Most of the difference came from the reduced number of heart attacks among those taking vitamin E. In the group of 1,434 Hp 2-2 individuals taking part in the study, seven people had a heart attack, compared to 17 who did not take the vitamin. Dr. Andrew Levy, of the Technion Faculty of Medicine, said there were no side effects observed in patients who took vitamin E.


The study suggests that genetic testing for the Hp 2-2 gene “may be useful to identify a large group of diabetes individuals who could potentially derive cardiovascular benefit from a very inexpensive treatment,” Levy said.


The finding is a new answer to an old question: can antioxidant vitamins such as vitamin E help prevent heart disease? Previously, cardiologists routinely prescribed vitamin E for their patients, but the practice has dwindled as several major studies in the past decade showed no heart-protective effects and potential harm from vitamin E mega-doses.


However, Levy and colleagues suspected that there might be one group of patients who could benefit from vitamin E: diabetic individuals with a particular variant of the haptoglobin gene. Haptoglobin is a powerful antioxidant protein that stabilizes the iron-rich red blood cell molecule called hemoglobin, preventing inflammation in the walls of arteries.


There are several versions of the haptoglobin gene. In previous studies, Levy and colleagues showed that Hp 2-2 is an inferior antioxidant compared to its genetic siblings, and that this difference is exaggerated in patients with diabetes. The researchers also discovered that diabetic patients with Hp 2-2 are two-to-three times more likely than other diabetics to suffer a cardiovascular event such as a heart attack.


“This version of the gene does not determine whether or not an individual will develop diabetes but rather whether an individual with diabetes is susceptible to developing the devastating complications associated with diabetes such as heart disease, kidney disease or visual loss,” Levy noted.


A genetic test for Hp 2-2 is commercially available, said Levy, who is also a consultant for Synvista Therapeutics, which owns a patent on the use of Hp testing to predict diabetic complications.


By making a kit, the group hopes to considerably lower the price of testing. According to Levy, the test would cost about $30 and only have to be done once.

Newsmax.com - Vitamin E Lowers Diabetic Heart Risk (http://www.newsmax.com/health/vitamin_E_diabetic/2008/01/21/66116.html)

SunniD
01-28-2008, 12:03 AM
My endo and I had this discussion on Vit. D and Vit. E. He strongly suggested to keep Vit. E at 400 and no more and suggested that 1000 mg of Vit. D was more beneficial and I agree for warding off heart problems in all people whether they have diabetes or not. The latest research also recommends a high level of Vit. D prevents heart issues. Enough Vit. D so that your blood level will reach around 75 SI units (not sure what they are ?umol/L ).

It's freeeeeeeeeeeeeeezing here today so am not getting my Vitamin D outside by the sunlight. Popping a pill is far easier.

SunniD

morrisma
01-28-2008, 05:11 AM
Vitamin research is so spotty and often contradictory it begins to sound more like a religious issue rather than a medical one. Nice to see a detailed study but a little worrying that the researcher has a tie-in to the required genetic testing. I have a suspicious mind I suppose.
Mike

mark-TN
01-28-2008, 05:34 AM
The only way to truly know how much Vitamin D to take is to have blood levels tested. The amount that keeps you in the range you and your doctor feel is necessary is the right dose (I suggest doing research on this because you may need to educate your doctor). The right dose will vary widely among individuals. The most active form of Vitamin D is D3 and for best absorption buy it in a softgel and take with a meal that contains some fat (or if you take fish oil or cod liver oil take at the same time). Vitamin E comes in many forms. Stay away from the cheap synthetic form of Vitamin E. Synthetic Vitamin E is the most commonly sold version and it is designated normally as dl-alpha tocopherol. Synthetic Vitamin E is only available in the alpha form. A much better choice is natural Vitamin E. There is more than one form of natural Vitamin E. Natural Vitamin E will be designated as: d-alpha(notice no l after the d), d-beta, d-gamma, or d-delta tocopherol. In my opinion a product with a mix of these is the best choice. As with the Vitamin D, for best absorption take the softgel form with some fat.

Mark

SunniD
01-28-2008, 07:52 AM
Just wanted to mention that I work in a lab and the testing was done on Vitamin D so that one would know that it takes at least 1000 mg/dl of Vit. D to get one's results up to 75 umol/L which is where the doctors decided it should be to do the most benefits. You may decide if that's what you wish to do depending on your body size and weight but the doctors general comment to the public was you would need at least 1000 of Vit. D.

SunniD

kclay0840
01-28-2008, 06:50 PM
Anyone care to throw out a brand or they all pretty much the same as long as the ingredient is not synthetic

SunniD
01-28-2008, 07:12 PM
Perhaps, some good researcher on here of studies can find the study that many doctor's are going by that indicated that taking higher levels of Vitamin E significantly resulted in the death of a high percentage of the people with diabetes that were on the higher dose of Vitamin E in the study. It was a large study that ran several years and was probably paid for by one of the pharmaceutical companies as they stand to gain from it.

Increasing Vit. E levels is still a big "NO" according to what I've read.

SunniD

duck
01-28-2008, 07:30 PM
Just wanted to mention that I work in a lab and the testing was done on Vitamin D so that one would know that it takes at least 1000 mg/dl of Vit. D to get one's results up to 75 umol/L which is where the doctors decided it should be to do the most benefits. You may decide if that's what you wish to do depending on your body size and weight but the doctors general comment to the public was you would need at least 1000 of Vit. D.

SunniD

That would be such a bad situation for me! LOL

mark-TN
01-29-2008, 05:59 AM
Perhaps, some good researcher on here of studies can find the study that many doctor's are going by that indicated that taking higher levels of Vitamin E significantly resulted in the death of a high percentage of the people with diabetes that were on the higher dose of Vitamin E in the study. It was a large study that ran several years and was probably paid for by one of the pharmaceutical companies as they stand to gain from it.

Increasing Vit. E levels is still a big "NO" according to what I've read.

SunniD

Here is a good sensible analysis of the study’s conclusions: Vitamin E Controversy - Cause or Correlation? (http://nutrition.about.com/od/researchstudies/a/vitaminestudy.htm)

Mark