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Sic
04-08-2008, 08:46 AM
Hi! Im new here, so as i was able to see thers no subjeckt like this! So, i have diabetes for 6 months now and im in remision, age 20! I calculate carbs every day and eat about 150-200g for glucose lvl about 6.5 (120 on american). I saw that mcdonnalds food have pretty much carbs especially frise! Anybody have experiance to share with mcdonald food?! (Thanks, and sorry for my bad english...)

xMenace
04-08-2008, 08:50 AM
Bienvenue!

McDonalds is not food. It is food-like, but I don't consider any of it food. There's nothing healthy about it.

The carbs included are like pure sugar. They will spike your BGs; however, the high fat will slow this down and lead you to believe things are fine.

Seriously. Avoid all fast food chains as much as you can.

fgummett
04-08-2008, 09:00 AM
+1 on avoiding fast food as a general rule... maybe OK as an occasional "treat" but once you get used to "real" healthy food, fast food will not taste so good anyway :D

If you must go there is nutrition info available here: McDonald's :: Our Food :: Nutritionally Calculator (http://www.mcdonalds.ca/en/food/calculator.aspx)

Same as most of these places you can get fairly healthy if you are careful... they do have salads if you avoid the dressings, baco-bits etc... trouble is they use that nutritional empty iceburg lettuce :o

I especially love the way they now pretend to cater for the health conscious and offer choices for children like apple slices... with caramel dip!

princesslinda
04-08-2008, 09:01 AM
If I eat at McDonald's, i'll usually get 6 piece chicken nuggets (no dipping sauce) and side salad.

There are 47 carbs in a Big Mac, 18 gms carbs in chicken nuggets, 72 carbs in Fish-Filet, 68 carbs in large fry, 28 carbs in the grilled chicken wrap. So..if you ate a big mac and fries...you'd have tons of carbs.

McDonald's French Fries - Large French Fries nutrition information - Food Labels - DietFacts.com (http://www.dietfacts.com/html/nutrition-facts/mcdonalds-french-fries-large-french-fries-17221.htm)

dietfacts.com is a website that lists different foods by brand name and common restaurants and lists nutritional information.

Sic
04-08-2008, 09:34 AM
I was thinking like eating double cheeseburger and fries! Its about 65 carbs for meal, witch i can "survive" if GI(glycemic index) is not too high! I know its very unhealthy food but i ws thinkin like going once every month or 2, couse i loved it, and now i realy miss it :)

fgummett
04-08-2008, 09:41 AM
Diabetes doesn't mean that there are foods you can never have again :) Of course you can fit an occasional Big Mac in with an otherwise healthy diet... same as you can have chocolate, ice cream etc... it's just that you have to be aware of what you are eating and how it affects your blood glucose; which you can only find out by testing :top:

davef
04-08-2008, 10:15 AM
There are 47 carbs in a Big Mac, 18 gms carbs in chicken nuggets, 72 carbs in Fish-Filet, 68 carbs in large fry, 28 carbs in the grilled chicken wrap.

Holy Moly, I haven't had a McDonalds in years but can't believe that there are so many carbs in the fish, I was right real meat is the only way to go! :D

notme
04-08-2008, 10:47 AM
Double cheese burger and small fries is about 67 carbs. You are absolutely right about that. However, these foods are very high on the glycemic index and they are full of fat. When you combine the high glycemic foods with fat, you will get a blood sugar rebound. You may test at two hours and your blood sugar will be good, then three hours later you will be high. Make sure to test after the two hour mark and see what your blood sugar is doing. If you are type one and on insulin, you can then make a correction.

xMenace
04-08-2008, 11:06 AM
I was thinking like eating double cheeseburger and fries! Its about 65 carbs for meal, witch i can "survive" if GI(glycemic index) is not too high! I know its very unhealthy food but i ws thinkin like going once every month or 2, couse i loved it, and now i realy miss it :)

Stay away from all fast foods for three months, stick to a healthy diet, then report back with your experiences when you return.

I used to love them too; now I can't stand them. I had a McMuffin for breakfast on the road recently. I used to love their BFs. I felt like puking the rest of the trip :(

notme
04-08-2008, 11:10 AM
Stay away from all fast foods for three months, stick to a healthy diet, then report back with your experiences when you return.

I used to love them too; now I can't stand them. I had a McMuffin for breakfast on the road recently. I used to love their BFs. I felt like puking the rest of the trip :(


EXACTLY!!! I don't eat fast food as it makes me feel so sick. The last time I ate FF was when I was on the road (horrible highway 5) with no other place to get food. I felt sick for two days after eating it.

Kim_in_TN
04-08-2008, 11:11 AM
I have sworn off McDonalds or any other hamburger joint! I used to be a frequent drive-thru customer but now I don't miss them at all and actually the thought of them turns my stomach! My advice would be to wean yourself off of them as well! ;)

Alice
04-08-2008, 01:16 PM
A single hamburger (no cheese) is not a terrible "fast meal" if you are in a pinch..or if you just love McD's. It's about 30 g carb or two carb servings.

The Big Mac is about 45 g carb but with a lot of sodium.

I have ordered their Asian Grilled Chicken Salad (vs the fried chicken) and they are pretty good. Watch out for the dressing...it's pretty high in carbs. You can pretty much have a Big Mac for the amount of carbs that dressing adds...

They provide nutritional info on the back of some of the "tray covers"...or just ask at the counter.

JediSkipdogg
04-08-2008, 01:40 PM
I use to eat McDonald's at least 2-3 times a week (either breakfast, lunch, or dinner) and it never caused havoc with my BGs. I actually had it under great control. The problem is it caused my cholestrol to go up and by cutting it out it's dropped about 20. I will say I miss the taste though and hate spending twice as much to eat healthy now.

shiftzor
04-08-2008, 02:19 PM
omg @ nutritional calculator, my "meal" that I might have had:

1% Partly Skimmed Chocolate Milk - 200 ml
French Fries - Large
Bacon Cheeseburger

1050 calories and 138g of carbs :( my mum would only allow me to eat at mcdonalds as a "treat" as a kid and now I wouldn't even touch one with a barge pole. Even chocolate would be better for you and won't make you feel like c**p after woulds :D

kgm0612
04-09-2008, 06:28 AM
I very rarely eat at any fast food restaurants, but when I do, I usually order a 4-pc chicken nugget with NO sauce. If I'm not mistaken, the nutritional info listed on the McD's box is 10g of carbs. I do, however, have to bolus for 15g because of the fat in the nuggets.

Karen

Scrabblechick
04-09-2008, 07:28 AM
McDonald's was a treat to us when we were kids, too. With my Dad having "D" we didn't do that sort of thing very often. I still eat the VERY occasional Egg McMuffin, but that's really it.

My fast food cravings (usually unsatisfied. LOL.) generally involve a chicken and biscuit from Jack's. Heh.

jacobsam622
04-18-2008, 10:21 PM
Hi! Im new here, so as i was able to see thers no subjeckt like this! So, i have diabetes for 6 months now and im in remision, age 20! I calculate carbs every day and eat about 150-200g for glucose lvl about 6.5 (120 on american). I saw that mcdonnalds food have pretty much carbs especially frise! Anybody have experiance to share with mcdonald food?! (Thanks, and sorry for my bad english...)
Remission you dont go into remission Diabetes progressively gets worse. Lets see you can lose a foot or leg, go blind, have kidney and or liver failure, teeth fall-out, lose feeling in feet hands and stomach etc.

get on a good diet the life you will be saving is your own.

There are several diets you can follow south-beach, Atkins, sugar-busters, etc, etc,

None of these diets are totally correct.

When determining carbs subtract the fiber from total carbs. You can also subtract artificial sweeteners.

portion control is a must and do not get seconds


foods you can eat:

Meat, = Beef well trimmed, chicken, fish broiled or baked, eggs

Nuts - most nuts are low in carbs, peanuts, walnuts, almonds, any that have total carbs of less then 10g

spread buy no sugar added jelly or there are several reduced sugar, no sugar added Peanut butter

vegetables = almost anything but corn If you eat corn stick
with the small kernel corn on the cob.

sugar free ice cream, sugar free jello chocolate that has a
cocoa % >= 60%

Breads = whole grain or low carb whole grain.

pasta = whole grain

rice = brown rice

sodas = diet only

alcohol = Low carb beer, brands like Mich ultra, miller-lite, there is at two others. Red wine or wine that is at least 13% alcohol
tequila

avoid high carb food any anything with a lot of refined sugar

Fruit = try different ones to see how they effect your BS

Apples should not be eaten at meal time.

general rule if its brown then its OK for diabetes

HelenM
04-19-2008, 12:55 AM
You say that you are 'in remission' . I'm assuming that means that you are type 1 'on honeymoon'.
As others have said the real problem with Mcdonalds is the fat rather than the carbs and the fat can cause a problem by delaying delaying the carb increase until much later after your meal. Over time you may learn ways to manipulate your insulin injections to get over this. Nevertheless many people believe a high fat diet is not good for anyone and particularly for people with diabetes.
Having said that I've eaten at Mcdonalds a handful of times (in three years) and have not suffered any dire consequences as the majority of the time I try to eat very healthily.


One point, what you do with fibre in your calculations depends on where you live.
Jacobsam mentions that you should deduct fibre from the carb count. This is true if you live in the US (and I think Canada) but not in Europe where the fibre content has already been deducted from the carbs.
eg. A quarter pounder with cheese in the US is listed as having 40 gms of of carbs and 3 gms of fibre
In the UK it is listed as 36gms of carbs and 4 gms of fibre.
In the US you would deduct 3 gms making 37 gms carbs
In the UK you would leave it at 36gms carbs and not subtract the fibre.
(I expect the difference is due to rounding errors)

alicat61
04-19-2008, 01:26 AM
Remission you dont go into remission Diabetes progressively gets worse. Lets see you can lose a foot or leg, go blind, have kidney and or liver failure, teeth fall-out, lose feeling in feet hands and stomach etc.

get on a good diet the life you will be saving is your own.

There are several diets you can follow south-beach, Atkins, sugar-busters, etc, etc,

None of these diets are totally correct.

When determining carbs subtract the fiber from total carbs. You can also subtract artificial sweeteners.

portion control is a must and do not get seconds


foods you can eat:

Meat, = Beef well trimmed, chicken, fish broiled or baked, eggs

Nuts - most nuts are low in carbs, peanuts, walnuts, almonds, any that have total carbs of less then 10g

spread buy no sugar added jelly or there are several reduced sugar, no sugar added Peanut butter

vegetables = almost anything but corn If you eat corn stick
with the small kernel corn on the cob.

sugar free ice cream, sugar free jello chocolate that has a
cocoa % >= 60%

Breads = whole grain or low carb whole grain.

pasta = whole grain

rice = brown rice

sodas = diet only

alcohol = Low carb beer, brands like Mich ultra, miller-lite, there is at two others. Red wine or wine that is at least 13% alcohol
tequila

avoid high carb food any anything with a lot of refined sugar

Fruit = try different ones to see how they effect your BS

Apples should not be eaten at meal time.

general rule if its brown then its OK for diabetes

:) Hi
The above diet choices are good but you also have to remember
that type 2 is slightly different to type 1 as in the fact insulin is used to cover extra carbs. Also weight loss is usually not an issue
Also at 20 were do all your mates eat so the occasional Macdonalds isn't the end of the earth. Diabetes causes major changes in your life and to totaly give up everything you enjoy will cause you to go into denial mode.( and you shouldn't have to give up everything)
as long as you calculate the extra carbs and correct them with exercise and insulin.
Also I'm just curios as why you can't eat apples with meals I have been diabetic for nearly 26 years and have never heard that one before. (sorry my spelling is not good )

Emm
04-19-2008, 02:54 AM
McDonalds here in New Zealand must be a bit different - our Filet-O-Fish is 30.5g carb. Which to me is just too much, mainly because it's hard to eat a little burger like that without the chips!

The kiwi nutritional info is here (http://www.mcdonalds.co.nz/HTML/nutrition/)

I don't mind splurging every now & then, but 30g on one thing is too much for me! I try to stick to around 30g of carb or less per meal, and it's sooo much easier if that's slower acting carbs.

kstreeter513
04-19-2008, 06:23 AM
I use to eat McDonald's at least 2-3 times a week (either breakfast, lunch, or dinner) and it never caused havoc with my BGs. I actually had it under great control. The problem is it caused my cholestrol to go up and by cutting it out it's dropped about 20. I will say I miss the taste though and hate spending twice as much to eat healthy now.

Yeah, but how much does it cost these days to roto-rooter your carotids?:D

HelenM
04-19-2008, 08:00 AM
McDonalds here in New Zealand must be a bit different - our Filet-O-Fish is 30.5g carb.

Its worth looking at the nutritional content for your country.
The Mcdos fish in the US has more calories and fat, the one in France more carbs and the UK more salt. They obviously cater for the individual national tastes. (probably also different methods of calculating)

Filet-o-Fish(tm) UK
kcal: 360.00
protein:16.00
total carbs38.00g
total fat 16.00g
(saturated) 3.00 g
fibre 3.00 g
salt 1.7g

Filet of Fish NZ
kcal: 325
protein:15.00g
total carbs 30.5 gm
total fat 15.5. g
(saturated) 3.3 g
fibre n/a
salt .695mg

Filet of Fish US
Kcal 380
protein:15.00g
total carbs 38g
total fat 18g
(saturated) 4 g
fibre n/a
salt 660mg

Mc Fish France
kcal: 305
protein:15.00g
total carbs 42gm
total fat 8 g
(saturated)n/a
fibre n/a
salt 1.5g

Dimes
04-19-2008, 09:52 AM
I wasn't aware anyone ate the fish-filet.. News to me..

shake_sugaree
04-19-2008, 10:12 AM
I wasn't aware anyone ate the fish-filet.. News to me..

BILLIONS SERVED !!!

...three eaten

:D

jacobsam622
04-19-2008, 08:47 PM
:) Hi
The above diet choices are good but you also have to remember
that type 2 is slightly different to type 1 as in the fact insulin is used to cover extra carbs. Also weight loss is usually not an issue
Also at 20 were do all your mates eat so the occasional Macdonalds isn't the end of the earth. Diabetes causes major changes in your life and to totaly give up everything you enjoy will cause you to go into denial mode.( and you shouldn't have to give up everything)
as long as you calculate the extra carbs and correct them with exercise and insulin.
Also I'm just curios as why you can't eat apples with meals I have been diabetic for nearly 26 years and have never heard that one before. (sorry my spelling is not good )
I said apple because its the only fruit I can eat but it actually applies to all fruit. The reason you should eat fruit before or after a meal is because fruit is digested in the small intestine and when you eat it with other foods the emptying from the stomach is delayed which causes indigestion gas and acid reflux. :(

alicat61
04-19-2008, 08:55 PM
I said apple because its the only fruit I can eat but it actually applies to all fruit. The reason you should eat fruit before or after a meal is because fruit is digested in the small intestine and when you eat it with other foods the emptying from the stomach is delayed which causes indigestion gas and acid reflux. :(

:) Hi,
Thanks for the above info, I guess it applies to some people only. As I have never had a problem,nor have I heard anyone else mention it. When I was at school it was the done thing to have a sandwich and peice of fruit for lunch.
Some people are prone to indigestion and reflux no matter what they eat

David_S
04-19-2008, 10:33 PM
with 3 kids.. we end up there sometimes. Now I take my own bread.. wife puts it in her purse! haha. I take my 2 slices of bread.. 5 carbs each.. and trade out the bread on the big mac.. it goes from 47 carbs to 14. So it is do-able that way.
If we don't plan and no bread.. I take it off anyway. I count fries as a carb each.. and have no more then 20 or so..

volleyball
05-08-2008, 08:59 PM
The hamburgers are the healthiest think at mickey d's. I go for the double cheeseburger and bum a few fries from someone or buy the little one and eat a few. Maybe 2 doubles on 1 bun.
I laugh at those people eating one of those cheap salads to be good and load them with croutons and dressing

sprzepiora
05-09-2008, 03:55 AM
...it's just that you have to be aware of what you are eating and how it affects your blood glucose; which you can only find out by testing :top:

yes, lots and lots of testing :)

ant hill
05-09-2008, 05:03 AM
Mac Donald's has been touted a bad thing due to how they keep their food that lasts in their fridge. And that it in a nut shell.
So how do they do it, Well it's a common thing called trans fats as this is what we argue about then add the sugar and what would you get, Food that has high GI and lasts a long time so your BG will stay high too.
So what do we do? Well we bolus HARD!!! and LONG!!! :eek:
I think that whatever we eat is to eat everything in moderation and not too much of a good thing and exercise is also what we don't do often. So if you were to low carb then stay away from Mac Donald's and you may lose fat!!
So this is indeed very high in carbs. :(

shades9323
05-09-2008, 05:23 AM
It isn't mickey d's but I had Burger King the other day. 2 steakhouse burgers and a chili. about 150 carbs. 2 and 4 hr pp right around 110.:) That was for dinner and the next morning woke to a 108. It was delicious!

Alice
05-10-2008, 05:59 PM
Fish Filet? I haven't had one in years...I used to love them! I may have order one this week....gee...thanks a lot for the temptation! Hope I get one with a "soft bun"...that's one thing I hate about McD's is getting a crunchy bun...don't eat there often...but they are handy when you are in some situations. I like the consist carb counting, at least. They don't vary by a gram usually...with their tight corporate control.

thomaca77
05-10-2008, 06:31 PM
Ok, I admit it...I am addicted to fast food, and I eat McDonalds "enough"...(that is all I'll admit to.) :D

I have found that the healthiest (ok, my definition of "healthy" not too bad on carbs, not overwhelming on fat.) is a McDonalds Cheeseburger, and a medium fry. If you get a double cheeseburger, you double the fat, the carb stays about the same.

The burger is about 30g of carb, and the fries about 45g. Not enough fat to have much effect on my blood sugar hours later. (Fat results may vary with the user, of course!)

The healthiest breakfast BY FAR and I will argue this with anyone, is the Egg McMuffin...30g of carb, minimal fat, bland as heck, but no worse that slapping an egg on a muffin with a slice of cheese at home.

In the USA, McDonalds has a nutritional guide on the back of the paper they use to line the trays. There is sometimes the Nutrition listed on the box or packaging, and if not there is usually an 1-800 number on the box that contacts very quick, friendly, and informed McDonalds folks who can tell you the Nutrition value of anything else you need.

To find out how any particular meal (anywhere, not just Mickey-D's) affects you, the only way to find out is to try it (yum!) take the right amount of insulin (or as close as you can guess) and Test Test Test to find out!

It is a Good Idea to be responsible with the healthy choices, but no point in being a saint, is my humble opinion. Life without cheeseburgers is no life at all. (once again, my opinion). :)

Hope that helps, good luck.

-carisa

amy4041
05-13-2008, 06:09 PM
I refuse to eat McDonald's since seeing the video on the "4-Year-Old Hamburger." Trust me, it's gross :eek: . Here's the link from youtube:
YouTube - McDonald's 4 Year Old Cheeseburger Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IGtDPG4UfI)

poppa
05-13-2008, 07:50 PM
Due to my job and the environment I work in, I frequently eat fast food...

BUT, you can do it safely...

Get the double meat burger you want. H*ll, get 2. No fries, No cheese, and No pickles... Get Mayo or Mustard...

Toss the bun and eat it with a knife and fork...

Often, 2 hours after the first bite my BG is 20 points lower than before I eat.

volleyball
05-14-2008, 07:44 AM
I refuse to eat McDonald's since seeing the video on the "4-Year-Old Hamburger." Trust me, it's gross :eek: . Here's the link from youtube:
YouTube - McDonald's 4 Year Old Cheeseburger Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IGtDPG4UfI)


I saw that video and that woman contradicts herself all throughout it.
She says the food doesn't break down so that why it stays in you thighs. LOL and LOL again. Unless you cut open her fat thighs and burgers pop out, they must have broken down and been absorbed.
she says there is no mold on the burgers but then says at the end of the day McD's smells like moldy food. You cannot have it both ways, if the food doesn't mold and there is moldy food, where did it come from? Burger King?
I've worked in the back of dozens of McD's and other restaurants and the smell is deafening to non food workers.
I agree people eat way too much fast food and a healthy fast food chain would be great but who would really eat there. Us but there are millions of diabetics but only thousands taking care of themselves

MollyM15
05-16-2008, 01:15 PM
I like McDonalds but it seems everytime I eat thier I either bolus to much or don't take enough Insulin.. its hard to know exactly how many carbs are in what especially french fries....So I try not to eat out that much..

Molly

stlduckhunter
05-17-2008, 04:55 AM
I have sworn off most fast food unless it is an emergency. You can find the carb and calorie count on most fast food products at
CalorieKing - Diet & Weight Loss Information - Calorie Counter and Nutritional Information (http://www.calorieking.com/foods/)

MarcS
05-21-2008, 02:09 PM
Due to my job and the environment I work in, I frequently eat fast food...

BUT, you can do it safely...

Get the double meat burger you want. H*ll, get 2. No fries, No cheese, and No pickles... Get Mayo or Mustard...

Toss the bun and eat it with a knife and fork...

Often, 2 hours after the first bite my BG is 20 points lower than before I eat.

This is EXACTLY what I do once in a blue moon, but I go to In N'Out Burger -- Double Double "Animal" & "Protein" Style -- They wrap it in Lettuce without a bun, and add grilled onions -- (really the best burgers on the west coast IMHO). I get the cheese though most times.

Janlaton
05-21-2008, 02:18 PM
Only fast foods I do are the salads no dressing. If in a real jam will get chicken stirps or nuggets. Total pinch I'll order a chicken sandwich eat the meat, lettice & tomato a little messy but I don't want the bread or mayo.

I try to carry good foods with me for traveling so I can get by without pit stops on the road. Am not even tempted to go to Mickydees any more.