Bleeding again

[xMenace]

Lefty let go tonight. *sigh*

My sugars have been real good the last couple of weaks, and I was feeling good about my control. It's funny that I'm feeling upbeat even though there's a significant amount of blood in the eye. I'll call The Grunter first thing. I think it's too cloudy to laser. Vision is probably around 20/200 in the eye, maybe worse.

[ant hill]

Lefty let go tonight. *sigh*
:( That's no good John, I thought that my BG's were good but as I have found that to meny lows can create problems for the eyes too so we have to look at mantaining a good BG so no matter how your BG's are we unfortunenatly cop it. :(
I have most of my bleeds in the right eye. I'm so sorry John, I know how you feel as you have been good BG's and this happens. :confused:

My sugars have been real good the last couple of weaks, and I was feeling good about my control. It's funny that I'm feeling upbeat even though there's a significant amount of blood in the eye. I'll call The Grunter first thing. I think it's too cloudy to laser. Vision is probably around 20/200 in the eye, maybe worse.

I haven't had laser as I am too poor to have such. :bawling:

[George83]

Can I ask what exactly the problem with your eye is and whats the laser treatment do to benefit it.......sorry for the newbie question

[mzteacher]

hi john,
i am very sorry to hear of the problems with your eyes....must be especially hard feeling your control was good....sending good thoughts and prayers your way....so much of this disease is so very scary....
wishing you well....
susan

[ant hill]

Can I ask what exactly the problem with your eye is and whats the laser treatment do to benefit it.......sorry for the newbie question

Hello george, To have an eye to bleed is like a moving black dot and some big bleeds can let you go blind for months on end then if all go's well you may get to see with it as the blood get's to settle up the eye.
Laser will put plug up the bleeds and then may get more.

Good BG management is the best to perseve your sight and any sergery is not perfect. Anyone for a carrot. ;)

[alicat61]

:) Hi.
Sorry John to hear about your eyes and the bleeds. It is a real p****r to have something like this happen when you have been keeping tight control.(seems to be the nature of the beast(diabetes)



I haven't had laser as I am too poor to have such. :bawling:[/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/QUOTE]

Peter,
Every time I have had laser they bulk billed me for it and that was before I was on my husbands health care card. Maybe it depends on the optomologist. Worth looking into.

I have had laser a few times not to fix any bleeds but to stop them from occuring.

[belyro]

John, I'm so sorry. :( How discouraging.

[DarthDiabetes]

So sorry to hear that, thoughts are with you today.

[morrisma]

Darn John - things seemed to be going real well in that regard. Hope the Grunter?? can help. Assume that Grunter is colloquial for some kind of doc, yes? We Americans are so slow in that regard....

They aim the laser at the leak rather than the mess, right? Does taking a break from staring at the computer help at all?
Mike

[fgummett]

Sorry to hear this John... D really sucks when you do everything to maintain good control only to find out there are no guarantees.

[princesslinda]

Sorry you're having to deal with the eye issue again. Please keep us updated on how things are going.

[xMenace]

"There's definately blood in there *grunt* There's not a lot of it *grunt* *grunt*"

They got me in right away, but it was a bit too cloudy for him to identify a source. He wants to see me next Tuesday after it's cleared a bit. I could just barely read the top line of the chart. No lifting, bending, or strenuous acitivities. He said I could keep up my lunchtime walking, but no hills and no increased heart rate.

Can I ask what exactly the problem with your eye is and whats the laser treatment do to benefit it.......sorry for the newbie question

Sugar damages blood vessels. The eye has the finest blood vessels in the body. There's a host of problems that can occur. This is likely a small vessel on the periphery that busted open. If he can find it, he'll use laser to cauterize it. They can cause problems if untreated. My appointment three weeks ago was excellent with no visible signs of damage.

[soso]

really sorry to hear this John, I guess the solace you can take though, is that your good numbers have probably saved you from it being worse than it is...
I am glad you keep up on things and don't lose heart, hopefully this will clear up soon, I am thinking good thoughts for you....

[beau91]

Sorry that you have eyes problems John specially when you have good numbers.Good thing you got to see your specialist asap .So take it easy on yourself and No activity that could make it worst Keep us posted Bye Ricky

[ant hill]

No lifting, bending, or strenuous acitivities. He said I could keep up my lunchtime walking, but no hills and no increased heart rate.
There seam to be good evidence in not to stress the body to certail the bleeding in the eye as I have well notest that!!

So take it easy on yourself and No activity that could make it worst Keep us posted Bye Ricky

Yes Ricky, I have beed told many years ago that to loose all that weight that we carry around will have vast inprovements over the eye desiese that we had to have. Low carbing is getting better all the time. ;)

[notme]

Gosh John, how frustrating. I know you must be discouraged. Hopefully, it is a small bleeder that will be fixed this time with laser. I am sorry.

[RobiJo]

What a bummer of a day! I hope it clears enough for you to see better soon!

[Kim_in_TN]

This must be so scary for you! I pray that it clears up completely! (((HUGS)))

[Scrabblechick]

I add my prayers to Kim's! My dad dealt with that and it was very frustrating for him. Hope your eye is MUCH better soon!

[mzteacher]

hi, i just thought i would pass this on...please excuse my ignorance if this has no relevance to your situation....one of my students....who is legally blind...blind in one eye poor vision in the other. (not diabetic)..last summer lost his vision completely....he had bleeding in the gel behind the eye...they said they could do surgery but didnt want to risk the vision he had in his limited eye...so the dr. had him stay upright all the time...sleeping too...and the vision in his eye did return....it took a while though....but they were also worried recovery from surgery would have taken a while....since then he has not had the problem again.... this is competely a different situation i know and i apologize for not knowing more about your situation or beiing able to explain his better....but it helped him and i wish there was something some one could suggest to help you...so my heart is in the right place...but my knowledge base may not be....
wishing you improvement and peace of mind....
susan

[xMenace]

hi, i just thought i would pass this on...please excuse my ignorance if this has no relevance to your situation....one of my students....who is legally blind...blind in one eye poor vision in the other. (not diabetic)..last summer lost his vision completely....he had bleeding in the gel behind the eye...they said they could do surgery but didnt want to risk the vision he had in his limited eye...so the dr. had him stay upright all the time...sleeping too...and the vision in his eye did return....it took a while though....but they were also worried recovery from surgery would have taken a while....since then he has not had the problem again.... this is competely a different situation i know and i apologize for not knowing more about your situation or beiing able to explain his better....but it helped him and i wish there was something some one could suggest to help you...so my heart is in the right place...but my knowledge base may not be....
wishing you improvement and peace of mind....
susan

Thanks.

Right now control of my blood pressure is critical. I am taking it easy. Doc did tell me not to bend over but didn't discuss sleeping. I usualy sleep with my head high anyway.

We're shooting for it to clear enough by Tuesday to see the problem and if needed zap it. I had two smaller bleeders over the winter that he couldn't even find and another in the fall he found but I saw no blood.

[HelenM]

Trying to send calming thoughts via cyberspace.

Take care,
Helen

[gettingby]

Oh c r a p John. :(
Well, keep us updated on the progress and prognosis. If I can do anything to help, let me know. You've helped me and I want to do the same for you.
Hang in there buddy.:)

[peej07]

Wow John I'm sorry to hear this. You've been my eye inspiration so stay strong and pull through. :)

[xMenace]

Wow John I'm sorry to hear this. You've been my eye inspiration so stay strong and pull through. :)

Well thanks. :D

It's slowly clearing. I can now see the headlines on the TV about Sen. Kennedy, barely.

It doesn't make life easier given all the other recent problems on here.

[buddy7]

Hey-John!!
I'm so sorry to here of your eyes, I can relate to what you're going through, my wife had both cataracts removed, in between waiting for surgery, she had constant bleeding at the back of her eyes, course, what never helped, she suffered with high blood pressure for years, no surgeon will touch her eyes until this was under control.
Hope all goes right for you, this must be a bummer for you, if this is any consolation, when my wife was going through her eye problems, she once said to me, of all the illnesses she'd had, this is hard to deal with, not being able to see properly, a costly surgeon, two operations my wife eyes are OK now.
I'm sure this will be sorted, all the best John.

B/7 ESSEX UK.

[xMenace]

Thanks.

I'm worried, but hopeful. It's slowly clearing and not getting worse.

Here's a simulation of my end-of-day vision after a day of mixing, left & right. I do get a bit dizzy.

[Scrabblechick]

Glad it's starting to clear, John. That's good news! Hope your doc can find it Tuesday, zap it and have done with bleeders for a LONG time!

[RobiJo]

Thanks.

I'm worried, but hopeful. It's slowly clearing and not getting worse.

Here's a simulation of my end-of-day vision after a day of mixing, left & right. I do get a bit dizzy.


Your pics display the sensation very accurately... I hope those that haven't had eye issues yet take note of how frustrating vision like that would be.

Do you have clear spots that you just can't seem to catch?

[xMenace]

Do you have clear spots that you just can't seem to catch?

Nope, it's a completely cloudy sheet. No gaps, just the occaisional streak. No noticeable improvement today.

[BlueSky]

... We're shooting for it to clear enough by Tuesday to see the problem and if needed zap it. I had two smaller bleeders over the winter ....
Sounds awful, and I hope they get it sorted quickly. If your blood sugar has been OK, what causes the bleeding? Are these proliferative vessels, caused by other vessels being blocked?

[adiantum]

I'll be hopeful with you John & hope everything goes well & your vision retored

[moorejames]

Thanks.

I'm worried, but hopeful. It's slowly clearing and not getting worse.

Here's a simulation of my end-of-day vision after a day of mixing, left & right. I do get a bit dizzy.

That sucks. I think I'd have to wear a patch or something over the affected eye until it cleared up or something...

Hope it all gets back to normal soon.

[xMenace]

That sucks. I think I'd have to wear a patch or something over the affected eye until it cleared up or something...

Hope it all gets back to normal soon.

The brain is an amazing thing. Right eye closed and the world is veiled. Both eyes open, you notice a bit of blurr and lack of depth, maybe about 10% noticeable.

After I said I didn't notice any clearing, I was laying in bed and just seeing the numbers on the alarm clock about 8 ft away. That's a big improvement. I could see fairly clearly laying in bed this morning, until I got up and started moving.

I doubt we'll do any laser tomorrow.

Going to see Bob Dylan tonight. Should be interesting in a dark 8000 seat arena.

[xMenace]

Sounds awful, and I hope they get it sorted quickly. If your blood sugar has been OK, what causes the bleeding? Are these proliferative vessels, caused by other vessels being blocked?


There no neovascularization at all. I believe they are just damaged vessels that busted open. I wonder if my improved control over the last two years has played a part.

[moorejames]

Going to see Bob Dylan tonight. Should be interesting in a dark 8000 seat arena.

Isn't a somewhat hazy world "view" a prerequisite for a Dylan concert anyway :D

[Scarlett]

Sorry X...can't say anything to make it better but, hopefully it'll just go away...I had bleeds when I was preggie 23+ years ago, I had a real bad 1 in the right and some in my left...I had them lazered right away and don't have any others but a few floaters here & there...they're a real inconvenience :mad:
I have to lay my head back and close my eyes for 15 min. or so for them to go away-I'm 45 now so the Opto and Ophth Drs. say they might continue to be small since I stopped them so early-listen to them ....they are EDUCATED guessers!!!
No one knows what'll happen to us...we can only take 1 day at a time and try to make tomorrow happy too!

[xMenace]

Isn't a somewhat hazy world "view" a prerequisite for a Dylan concert anyway :D

Just what the world needs. Another one-eyed, stoned, hypo diabetic! I'm pumped. We're leaving in 20 minutes ...

[Bevvie]

Hi Xm

So, so sorry to hear about your worrying eye condition but glad you're chilling and gigging tonight. I am sure you'll be fine and it is probably an old wound which can be put right. You've obviously got great control now so no further damage is happening.

Take it easy and have fun. Keep reporting your progress.:)

[WAMB00]

Hey, best wishes to you and that this clears up soon.

[xMenace]

You've obviously got great control now so no further damage is happening.

I have my spells, like the mid teens/250's I had this weekend. Good A1C's doesn't mean no damage :(

Dylan was pretty good.

Some really great numbers and some not so great ones.

[ant hill]

Dylan was pretty good.

Some really great numbers and some not so great ones.

Can you see much of the concert John as I can just imagine this is so anoying having a bleed then go to your favorite gig.

Well I can see two compleat images!!! although my right eye is overpowered buy the left eye, Weird ay!!

I know that you are not at all happy but it will clear up. :)

[Evermont]

Your pics display the sensation very accurately... I hope those that haven't had eye issues yet take note of how frustrating vision like that would be.

Duly noted.

The brain is an amazing thing. Right eye closed and the world is veiled. Both eyes open, you notice a bit of blurr and lack of depth, maybe about 10% noticeable....

Dylan was pretty good.

John, Way back in grade school in one science class there was a film that illustrated how amazingly the brain can compensate for things - sorta like you mentioned. The experiment was to have this guy wear a special pair of goggles that flipped his vision upside-down. He stumbled around for a few days then overnight his brain flipped the images upside down. He saw the world normally again while wearing the goggles! He could run, throw, catch, etc. Then taking the glasses off, everything was upside down again for a couple days before returning entirely to normal. :eek:

Oh, and another: I once attended a conference where IBM research was presenting on various human factors research. There was one particular note that I recall these many years later. It was mentioned that audio quality has a disproportionately overwhelming effect on perceived image quality. In other words, if the sounds are good enough, corresponding images appear to have a much higher quality.

I'm not sure if those are even interesting to you at this point - just thought I'd share those little factoids. I hope your vision improves and soon.

[Mich]

Hey John,

Okay, I'm impressed you went to see Big Bob. Last time I saw him he was also some good, some bad, but the good was oh-so-good. Or maybe I'm just reliving my past.:T

It's a pain in the you-know to wait for the back of your vitreous sack to pull loose from your retina. Everyone's does it as they age but only us lucky diabetics have the neovascular growth to bleed. I've been going through this since my last V. Bleed. Clear. Bleed. Clear. Eventually I hope I will get through the entire process without needing further intervention. So far, so good.

Look on it as a temporary inconvenience and I will hope along with you that it is.

"If I had wings and I could fly,
I know where I would go.
But right now I'll just sit here so contentedly
And watch the river flow." Bob Dylan

Hang in there. Mich

[xMenace]

Bob Dylan - Bob Links - 2008 Tour Guide (http://www.boblinks.com/dates.html#0519)

Saint John, New Brunswick
Harbour Station
May 19, 2008

1. Stuck Inside Of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again (Bob on keyboard and harp)
2. Don't Think Twice, It's All Right (Bob on keyboard and harp)
3. The Levee's Gonna Break (Bob on keyboard, Donnie on electric mandolin)
4. Desolation Row (Bob on keyboard and harp, Donnie on electric mandolin)
5. Watching The River Flow (Bob on keyboard)
6. Nettie Moore (Bob on keyboard, Donnie on viola)
7. I'll Be Your Baby Tonight (Bob on keyboard and harp)
8. High Water (For Charlie Patton) (Bob on keyboard, Donnie on banjo)
9. Spirit On The Water (Bob on keyboard)
10. Highway 61 Revisited (Bob on keyboard)
11. Visions Of Johanna (Bob on keyboard, Donnie on electric mandolin)
12. Things Have Changed (Bob on keyboard, Donnie on violin)
13. When The Deal Goes Down (Bob on keyboard)
14. Summer Days (Bob on keyboard)
15. Ballad Of A Thin Man (Bob on keyboard and harp)

(encore)
16. Thunder On The Mountain (Bob on keyboard)
17. Like A Rolling Stone (Bob on keyboard)

The bolded were great. The others were good, if you knew them I suppose. I hated his Ballad Of A Thin Man. To me it should be acoustic, not ear drum splitting loud. He was very hoarse and raspy much of the night, moreso than usual. overall it was a big step up compared to when I saw him a few years ago. This may go down as one of his better tours.

[xMenace]

Saw doc.

I can now see the top line and much of the second. An improvement. He couldn't find a source. He had a good long look. I see him again next Monday.

We discussed briefly an avastin shot. He said the problem was getting our local hospital to make up shots for eyes. They do it elsewhere in the province but not here. I will be firing off letters as soon as I find out who the targets are ;)

[Janlaton]

Praying they will get a shot quickly and find the source of bleeding as well.

Glad you can see some!

[teleman]

I hope you get this sorted out.
I watched my Uncle and my Dad go through this back in the 70's.
My Uncle is doing great and his situation at times seemed dire.
Demand the most from your healthcare. It sure is hard for us Canucks to talk about our Universal Healthcare when it doesn't deliver.

[xMenace]

10th day and it's steadily clearing. I can see most of the objects around me. I even walked through the busy market with my good eye closed and I didn't plow any old ladies :D I can see the lines on the puter screens, but I can't read them yet.

I do have good doctors, but Canadian red tape is some of the stickiest anywhere.

[fgummett]

Saw doc.

I can now see the top line and much of the second. An improvement. He couldn't find a source. He had a good long look. I see him again next Monday.

We discussed briefly an avastin shot. He said the problem was getting our local hospital to make up shots for eyes. They do it elsewhere in the province but not here. I will be firing off letters as soon as I find out who the targets are ;)Hey John, glad to hear there is some improvement albeit slow. Please consider contacting your MLA about the Avastin. I did that recently concerning the waiting list for the local obesity clinic and it did make a difference to the speed at which I got an appointment... "it's the squeaky wheel that gets the oil" :)

[xMenace]

Hey John, glad to hear there is some improvement albeit slow. Please consider contacting your MLA about the Avastin. I did that recently concerning the waiting list for the local obesity clinic and it did make a difference to the speed at which I got an appointment... "it's the squeaky wheel that gets the oil" :)


One of local MLAs is a type 1 too. I may phone him. I invited him here once.

Today was more of the same. Still to cloudy to find a cause, but it's significantly clearer. I'm reading the third line now and a bit of the fourth. I think he said 30/40. I can't read the puter screen tho.

I see him again in three weeks.

[xMenace]

Drove to work the last 2 days, 16km, with little discomfort.

Sw GP today and got my April A1C. It's unchanged at 6.0%. I was expecting higher. I got him to switch me to Novarapid, and we upped my Altace to 10mg. My bp was 146/79 in the lobby - a very stressful morn - but was down to 120 when I left. This was more for my eye than my heart; though he says the benefit is still there. Not complaining.

We had a nice long talk about the beetus and d-care. He was surprised to hear Drs and D-healthcare workers in general are on our ****-lists. He acknowledged the reasoning by the time I left though. It was my last visit. He's moving to Ottawa. He's a good doc you NCC people!

[CrazyGramma]

John, you have inspired me to work toward that a1c of 6. I wish for you a clear view of your puter screen. If your doc is moving to Ottawa I may look him up as I need a new endo. Stay strong.

[xMenace]

John, you have inspired me to work toward that a1c of 6. I wish for you a clear view of your puter screen. If your doc is moving to Ottawa I may look him up as I need a new endo. Stay strong.


He's a GP.

Three weeks in and I can just barely read my pc screen. I'm typing this with my good eye closed. I have no idea what the measurement is, but it's not 20/20. Amazing how quickly these do clear.

[Scrabblechick]

John, I'm really glad to hear your eye is clearing up. I know it's got to be incredibly frustrating.

[xMenace]

Saw the optho today. Good news and bad. He can't find where my bleeder came from, but he did find a new problem, a vessel ready to go near the center in the same eye. He wants to do laser Thuisday morning first thing.

We talked briefly about the risks where it's in the center. He said the risks of doing nothing are too big to let it go.

*sigh*

[RobiJo]

oh dear. Sorry to hear that. :(

[ant hill]

I am sorry John, Hope that the laser will be of a success. :)

[xMenace]

In the clinic at 7:45am and walked into my office at 8:07am. I almost didn't make it though as our alarm didn't go off. Woke at 7:12 and made the car at 7:24!

15 zaps. I can now do light activity, but nothing too strenuous. See him in a month.

[gettingby]

In the clinic at 7:45am and walked into my office at 8:07am. I almost didn't make it though as our alarm didn't go off. Woke at 7:12 and made the car at 7:24!

15 zaps. I can now do light activity, but nothing too strenuous. See him in a month.
I'm glad things went well and you are doing ok. Will continue to keep you in my thoughts today. :)
Take care and hang in there.:)

[xMenace]

Saw optho today. He said there's no signs of damage and I can go back to full activity!

[princesslinda]

I know you were glad to hear such good news!

[Scrabblechick]

Hey! Great news! I am really, really glad to hear that. :D

[fgummett]

Saw optho today. He said there's no signs of damage and I can go back to full activity!Excellent news John.. I'm really happy for you :thumbsup:

[Mich]

Yay, John. That's terrific news.

Mich

[beau91]

Great news John ,happy that everything is going fine for you Bye Ricky

[soso]

Very glad to hear it, John!

[ant hill]

Saw optho today. He said there's no signs of damage and I can go back to full activity!

Hey John, That's good to hear so it's back to work Ay John? :D

[xMenace]

Hey John, That's good to hear so it's back to work Ay John? :D

It's back to yard work :( I never missed much work work.

We have a heavily weeded area we are trying to grass in. I have some big rocks to lug out; then we'll till it, add some soil from pile#3, and grass it. Hopefully 1st week of Sep will see new grass go in.

Pile #1 is a bit easier. It's just covering gravel. Spread it, level it, grass it. Still hard work.

The problem is these layoffs are tough to recover from. Jumping right into heavy yardwork is not easy when you get out of breath so easily.

I'm hoping to try some pick-up hockey this week too. That should just about kill me :(

[peej07]

That's great to hear John! I'm really happy for you. :D

[xMenace]

I played hockey tonight for the first time in almost two and a half years. I sucked badly, got toe-cramps, but it was a blast! No blood either.In fact, looking at my screen right now I can't find any floaters. Maybe the intensity jarred them loose¿ I'm sure they'll be back in the morning.

I started at 6.2. Drank 1/3 a gatorage, and I was 3.8 when I got off an hour later. No liver dump, Yay. Now I gotta be careful of hypos tonight :(

[ant hill]

It's back to yard work :( I never missed much work work.

We have a heavily weeded area we are trying to grass in. I have some big rocks to lug out; then we'll till it, add some soil from pile#3, and grass it. Hopefully 1st week of Sep will see new grass go in.

Pile #1 is a bit easier. It's just covering gravel. Spread it, level it, grass it. Still hard work.

The problem is these layoffs are tough to recover from. Jumping right into heavy yardwork is not easy when you get out of breath so easily.

I'm hoping to try some pick-up hockey this week too. That should just about kill me :(
Aww John, I would take it easy and just look at ways to make the job less of physical strength. ;) I have found that the less stress that you have on your body the less chance that you will have on another eye bleed. Please get some help if you can as more hands make light work. ;) I am an a avid bike rider who likes a challenge like climbing hills and I can get a eye bleed buy working hard!! You may have the go ahead from your doctor but the doctor don't know everything as most doctors are dumb!!

I played hockey tonight for the first time in almost two and a half years. I sucked badly, got toe-cramps, but it was a blast! No blood either.In fact, looking at my screen right now I can't find any floaters. Maybe the intensity jarred them loose¿ I'm sure they'll be back in the morning.
MMMmmm...... Interesting yeah I would suck too as I have a bike that's gathering cobwebs & dust and I was slow. :(

I started at 6.2. Drank 1/3 a gatorage, and I was 3.8 when I got off an hour later. No liver dump, Yay. Now I gotta be careful of hypos tonight :(

Gatorage LOL that's a new take of an energy drink as I will take that joke to my dietitian as I can just see the crack on her face. :T