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drummingfool
07-15-2009, 01:05 PM
Daily Express | UK News :: Diabetes cure in ‘less than two years’ (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/110435/Diabetes-cure-in-less-than-two-years-)


DIABETES CURE IN ‘LESS THAN TWO YEARS’ ON THE WAY: A cure is in sight

Sunday June 28,2009
By Lucy Johnston and Martyn Halle

A CURE has been found for *diabetes, meaning that patients could soon be able to stop taking *insulin injections just to stay alive.

The breakthrough treatment, *using stem cells made from human bone marrow, is being used on *patients suffering from Type 1 *diabetes, a chronic condition affecting about 900,000 people in Britain.

The drug could be on the *market in less than two years.

Diabetes causes the *immune system to attack the pancreas, the organ that makes insulin, which in turn controls blood-sugar levels.

Early trials show the drug, *Prochymal, can stop the immune system destroying the pancreas.

Stem cells in the new drug form a barrier to protect the pancreas from attack, allowing it to recover and to continue *making insulin.

One of the US researchers, *Professor Aaron Vinik, a hormone specialist based in Virginia, said: “This is a very exciting discovery.

“When people get told they have diabetes it comes as a tremendous shock. They have to live with *having to take insulin injections for the rest of their lives because their pancreas has stopped making enough of its own insulin.

“In future we will diagnose patients and tell them not to worry because we have a cure that will stop the disease in its tracks.”

Trials of Prochymal, which has been tested on 60 patients with *early stage diabetes, is being fast-tracked by the American drug watchdog the Food and Drug *Administration. Final trials could start early next year, with the drug getting a licence by early 2011.

Stem cells are taken from *volunteers and multiplied in the lab to produce hundreds of millions of cells. Patients are given three *infusions of the cells into their bloodstream over 60 days.

Those already on insulin were able to reduce the amount as the stem cells started saving the *pancreas from destruction.

Professor Vinik, from Eastern Virginia Medical School in Norfolk, *Virginia, said most patients would still need insulin to begin with, but “in a matter of months they would *probably be off insulin”.

Type 1 diabetes accounts for about 20 per cent of patients in Britain. Stem cell therapy is *unlikely to work for the two million sufferers of the more common diet-related Type 2 diabetes.

Earlier work on stem cells and diabetes has been only partially successful. Professor Vinik said the *approach with the latest research is “completely different”.

He said: “The bone marrow cells act to protect the pancreas so that it can continue functioning and making insulin. We are aiming for a complete cure where the pancreas recovers and where the bone *marrow stem cells continue to *protect it.”

Researchers believe that *Prochymal might even be able to help long-term sufferers of Type 1 diabetes as well as those who have only recently been diagnosed.

Often a handful of beta cells, those that make insulin, remain alive in the apparently “dead” *pancreas. Professor Vinik believes that by blocking off the immune attack on the pancreas, those remaining cells could grow so that insulin *production starts up again.

“Those trials haven’t been done yet but I believe that stem cell treatment could potentially help all Type 1 diabetics,” he said.

In diabetes, killer cells, designed to protect the body from infection, instead attack vital insulin-making cells. If blood-sugar levels are *allowed to rise, sufferers lapse into a coma and die. Sufferers must take insulin injections to stay alive.

Treating the disease and its complications, which include blindness and the loss of limbs, costs the NHS hundreds of millions a year. Any cure could lead to big *savings.

Nadey *Hakim, a surgeon at Hammersmith Hospital in London, said the research was “excellent”.

foxl
07-15-2009, 01:13 PM
I hope so ... I just hope so.

Gordonm
07-15-2009, 01:36 PM
I'll beleive it when I see it. In 35 years of type 1 I have heard this many times. So far it is no closer than it was 35 years ago. Better treatments but no cure.

Scratch
07-15-2009, 01:49 PM
I'll beleive it when I see it. In 35 years of type 1 I have heard this many times. So far it is no closer than it was 35 years ago. Better treatments but no cure.
There are some important differences being talked about in the development of a cure. 20 years ago, it was thought that simply finding a way to implant beta cells would be sufficient. That thinking was wrong due to the autoimmune nature of the disease.

The disease is now known to be autoimmune. It is understood that the person's immune system kills the beta cells. Researchers such as the ones in the article or Dr. Denise Faustmann have been working on the idea of finding a way to halt the autoimmune attack.

It remains to be seen how easily that might be done. But the concept is far more valid than the old idea that all you had to do was somehow put beta cells in a person. Achieving this concept is the way of curing diabetes.

It is far closer than it was 35 years ago. Far far closer.

UpNorth
07-15-2009, 01:53 PM
I believe it when i see it:T But personally i prefer my life as it is right now :)

foxl
07-15-2009, 01:55 PM
It's in phase 3 clinical trials in the US. Look it up ...

xMenace
07-15-2009, 02:07 PM
Has anything really progressed in the last 52 years? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6X7GOnLUdY)

palefacegirl03
07-15-2009, 02:11 PM
All we can do is hope and wait and wait and wait.

Gordonm
07-15-2009, 02:45 PM
It is far closer than it was 35 years ago. Far far closer.

Yes it is 35 years closer. I was told back then it was 5 to 10 years away. I may be a little skeptical on this but always hopeful.

There have been many major break throughs on diabetes but I still think it is far more than 2 years away.

Tattoo azz
07-15-2009, 03:29 PM
I would have to agree with GordonM about a poss cure being more than 2 yrs away, knowing the way the NHS works we could have a cure tomorrow, but the NHS would only make it available in 10+ years time possibly longer and even then it would cost a fortune. I sound a bit negative i know, but really this news is promising. I just prefer to treat all news with a healthy bit of doubt, that way i don't feel down when it doesn't come true.

DeusXM
07-15-2009, 11:20 PM
knowing the way the NHS works we could have a cure tomorrow, but the NHS would only make it available in 10+ years time possibly longer and even then it would cost a fortune

Nah - don't forget, we cost the NHS a fortune already. If they could cure all of us, get us out of the system and paying for our prescriptions again, they'd do it in a heartbeat.

We are also FAR closer than we were 35 years ago - the pace of research has accelerated to the point we now have clear and demonstrable cures. Admittedly these have only been fully confirmed in mice at this stage but there are at least 4 different recognised viable cures, all of which have popped up in the last 5 years. In terms of diabetes research, we've advanced more in the last decade than we have throughout the entire history of humanity.

WhyNotSmile?
07-16-2009, 10:06 AM
Nah - don't forget, we cost the NHS a fortune already. If they could cure all of us, get us out of the system and paying for our prescriptions again, they'd do it in a heartbeat.

Yes, but don't forget that pharmaceutical companies would loose fortune with curing diabetes, no glucometer sensors, no isulins, no pumps..

GeishaGirl
07-16-2009, 10:20 AM
What if the beta cells in the pancreas have already been killed? How will this treatment help?

CaitE
07-16-2009, 10:45 AM
Research and technology development is improving exponentially each year. There is now more $$, attention, and invested interest in finding a cure. Therefore, much closer now than 35 years ago.

Cures are possible!!!!!!!!

Scratch
07-16-2009, 11:41 AM
What if the beta cells in the pancreas have already been killed? How will this treatment help?

Even in long term type 1 diabetics, there is evidence of residual beta cell mass when blood is drawn and c-peptide tested for. Those long term diabetics will still have some c-peptide which indicates native insulin production. This is strong evidence that the beta cells are trying to regenerate. So if you can just stop that nasty autoimmune attack...

foxl
07-16-2009, 11:48 AM
Even in long term type 1 diabetics, there is evidence of residual beta cell mass when blood is drawn and c-peptide tested for. Those long term diabetics will still have some c-peptide which indicates native insulin production. This is strong evidence that the beta cells are trying to regenerate. So if you can just stop that nasty autoimmune attack...


Which is interesting since SOME theorists consider a type one dx ONLY when c-peptide = 0. Old, prior to RIAs or something, perhaps?

It Ain't Over
07-16-2009, 12:21 PM
Remember the Canadians Doctors that had great success with beta cell transplants a few years ago? Sounded so good and it spread to most areas.
Problem was the patients were getting killed off by the severe problems that came about with the heavy immune suppressants used to keep the foreign matter alive in the body.
The only realistic way to cure the disease, is to cure the disease. Not another patch that has drawbacks. Maybe they never will find the cure.

Ray4Rick
07-16-2009, 01:14 PM
It's always good to have something to look forward to. One can always dream. :cool:

Morris "Type 1"
07-16-2009, 03:36 PM
<3 buddy holly .

CaitE
07-17-2009, 01:39 PM
Will you need immune suppressants with stem cell transplants? I thought that the point of them was that they mutate and become the same as any body cell??? Please correct me if I don't understand.

Also- I think that if we were all able to get off insulin, stabilize BGs, and not worry about long term complications, I would consider that a CURE!!!

Delphinus
07-17-2009, 05:32 PM
I kinda like needles.

I may have to give myself dummy injections still if I am ever cured. :D

DanG
07-17-2009, 07:06 PM
I may have to give myself dummy injections still if I am ever cured.

dummy injections of...
...sugar water... I bet...

palefacegirl03
07-17-2009, 07:10 PM
I kinda like needles.

I may have to give myself dummy injections still if I am ever cured. :D



I will be sure to send the boxes of needles that I have left over to you:T

DeusXM
07-18-2009, 06:14 AM
Yes, but don't forget that pharmaceutical companies would loose fortune with curing diabetes, no glucometer sensors, no isulins, no pumps..

Yes, but given that in most developed countries there is just one customer (the health service) rather than individual customers, it's in the interests of pharmaceutical companies to be the first with the cure. The one with the cure gets the contract; the rest are stuck making useless insulin etc.

The great advantage of a state run system (oh and I'm not going to turn this into another private/public heathcare debate. Deal with it, everyone) is that the end purpose is the best possible patient outcome at the cheapest price.

A cure is cheaper than an ongoing treatment and if the pharmaceuticals don't come up with it, a state-funded researcher will give it to the health service for free.

This is why all the advancements in curing diabetes tend to have been made in Canada, the UK, and Scandinavia.

DanG
07-18-2009, 11:09 AM
This is why all the advancements in curing diabetes tend to have been made in Canada, the UK, and Scandinavia.

I recently watched sicko by Michael Moore in 12 parts at youtube.
His perspective is this exactly, and he does a good job of communicating that.

I have no information for or against that opinion. It would be interesting to hear a cogent response against a state-run health "care" system proposal. I do not complain about the health system we have here in the states because I know nothing else.

I really do not like, in principle, state run entities. However, the nose of the camel is under the tent - so to speak, so the state will be running things much more than they have in the past - here in the states. My only means to defeat the offer of state provided systems is to refuse services. And, yes - I realize that becomes problematic in numerous ways - but I resolve to refuse state offered services of any sort, even though I have paid in to the system all my life - that is my personal protest in argument to support the kids that are younger than me.

shiftzor
07-19-2009, 09:08 AM
It sounds positive, I think everyone is right to be sceptical there is no point in having false hope. I believe there will be a cure before I die whether it will help me or not is a different matter as long as it assists younger generations so that they don't have to face the same affliction.

viranth
07-19-2009, 10:55 AM
Today would be a good day for this cure, been having some spikes lately. Been eating a lot more too though, and no working out. So I guess it's all my fault for just taking a break from the tight control.

Anyway, I don't think the companies can stop this from becoming reality. It seems like a lot of things are happening, I heard from the director of Food Inc (movie) that 1/3rd of children born after 2000 will have diabetes.

We're just seeing the tip of the iceberg here, I think the cure or much better treatment will come, because of the increasing cost of chronic diseases.

So many things could have been fixed if someone stepped in, and got the food industry "healthy".

I read in the paper that because of some fubar EU regulations, stuff with vitamins and such would be classified as healthy. That means Coke with vitamins could be labeled as healthy....

gerfoxt
07-19-2009, 02:07 PM
T1s only represent 10-15% of the diabetic population and use less than a quarter of the world's insulin supply, so it's not like pharm companies will go out of business just because T1s have a cure. These bone marrow derived stem cells (mesenchymal cells) are universally accepted by anyone's body without fear of rejection. Right now they are in Phase 3 trials for 2 other autoimmune conditons known as Graft vs Host and Crohns.

Type 1 Diabetes &ndash; T1DM Mesenchymal Stem Cell Treatment | Osiris (http://www.osiristx.com/clinical_trials_prochymal_t1d.php)

The fact that this stem cell therapy is being used for a variety of other autoimmune conditions makes it more likely to hit the market soon.