Today I am tired of being diabetic.

[Morris "Type 1"]

I feel a bit lethargic today, I was up kinda late last night so I can't help but wonder if it is at all related to that.. Or the low-carbing, up to now I felt fine though so I am confused.

Sigh, my sugars are fine at the moment (5.2mmol/L) but I don't feel amazing. Maybe its the processed rubbish I have been eatting lately, I never normally eat that stuff.

Anyway, just needed to vent :)

[foxl]

Momma told me there'd be days like this ...

Oh, yes.

[GeishaGirl]

I feel really c rappy too today. I couldn't drag my butt out of bed, and now that I AM out of bed (or, have been out of bed for 45 mins!) I can't make myself get up and DO anything. Sugar is fine also (79) but I'm vageuly nauseauted and can't even think about eating, let alone eating something "good" for me. The idea of eggs for breakfast make me want to vomit and we don't have anything else in the house that's good for my sugar ;(

[MCS]

What I do on these days is find something simple to do that has immediate gratification when finished. Seems to work for me. Some herbs and a goody powder are my next choice.

[retired60]

I had one of those days a while back. Mentally, I make myself have positive thoughs and think about all the good things in my life, physically.........if i don't feel well I just walk and go into that other world and usually when I'm through I feel better.

[Penny]

Momma told me there'd be days like this ...

Oh, yes.

If I remember the next line we always said after this....."but she never said anything about whole weeks!"
:D

[It Ain't Over]

Bets are that you are not getting enough rest. You will need more than you used to now. Think of just how sick you have been and your recovery has just begun.
But like Yogi said, It ain't over til its over. Keep at it.
By the way, Yogi also said to live your life to its fullest now, because you will be dead for a long time.

[Delphinus]

I get like this.

After a long day at work, or just those lazy days.

I get home and am like man, I have to test, figure out what I am gonna eat, calculate the bolus, then I do the bolus or pre-bolus depending on how the food I chose normally affects me, then freakin finally eat after a brief waiting period.

Sometimes I just stuff my face anyway, just so I can forget about it all, and make a correction later.

No, this is not responsible, but sometimes I just need to do that, to feel "normal".

I know I am far from alone(the whole misery loves company thing), and remembering this, usually helps.

[Morris "Type 1"]

Thank you for the comments guys, i'm sorry to hear you have experienced this kind of feeling too, somewhat comforting for me though to hear I'm not the first nor the last.

I think maybe it didn't help yesterday I visited the hospital for an appointment, the diabetic dr talked about how I should be eating low GI and essentially tried to put me off from the low-carb idea.

Maybe I'm not ready to accept that yet, although it sounds like I will receive an abundance of "training" to learn carb-counting etc.. While I am not skilled at that, I feel I have learned all that I will probably learn about it through you guys. People who are actually diabetic, I don't feel much trust when the Dr. Isn't diabetic herself.

So maybe this effected me too, I don't know really.

Thanks again :)

[Morris "Type 1"]

GeishaGirl, I'm sorry to hear that :( Hope you have started to feel more well now.

MCS, you don't want to know where my mind went.

retired60, I will give that a go, I normally can adjust how I feel on the fly but I guess I forgot that maybe, just maybe, it wasn't diabetes related and instead I just accepted it as being this disease. Silly me!

It Ain't Over, I guess you are spot on about the rest because I am finding I am tired very early in the evening compared to the past, by 10pm-midnight I hit a wall and It is really hard to get past. I normally wouldn't sleep a lot, I would maybe go to bed at 4 or 5 am and be up by about 9, do that for a few days to a week and then get a large chunk of rest to sort myself out. Then repeat.. That said since I have had this, I am finding I sleep far more and falling asleep a lot quicker - I fell asleep fast before normally only taking me a few minutes. I will keep this in mind, see if I can give myself more rest and see how I cope.

Delphinus, I feel that, I think if this wasn't so new to me and the fear of the renal unit, I would probably have eatting something "bad" or at least not so great for me. I think I can understand that.

foxl and penny, lol

[Cluck]

Thank you for the comments guys, i'm sorry to hear you have experienced this kind of feeling too, somewhat comforting for me though to hear I'm not the first nor the last.

I think maybe it didn't help yesterday I visited the hospital for an appointment, the diabetic dr talked about how I should be eating low GI and essentially tried to put me off from the low-carb idea.

Maybe I'm not ready to accept that yet, although it sounds like I will receive an abundance of "training" to learn carb-counting etc.. While I am not skilled at that, I feel I have learned all that I will probably learn about it through you guys. People who are actually diabetic, I don't feel much trust when the Dr. Isn't diabetic herself.

So maybe this effected me too, I don't know really.

Thanks again :)

The problem with low GI foods for Type Is is having to correct 4-6 hours after food because your rapid insulin has stopped working and your BG is still increasing.

Does your Dr know you are Type I and not Type II? (being sarcastic).

Hope your day is improving. I think we all get bad days, sometimes the constant 'control' is too much for anybody, even a control freak like me :D

[yannah]

I am ****in mother **** exhausted from ****in diabetes right now.

labs in the morning.


the impending bull**** does it to me every time.

[Delphinus]

I am ****in mother **** exhausted from ****in diabetes right now.

labs in the morning.


the impending bull**** does it to me every time.

Not yer cooking with fire! :D

Say it! :T

[davef]

Sorry so many of you had "Terrible Thursdays", as has been mentioned there are days like that. Great thing is there is always a new dawn the following day, so hopefully today will be a "Happy Friday" for you all.

Morris, go on you for posting, I think it's good that people post when they feel like that as it let's others know they are not alone when they have bad times.

Happy Friday,

[kgm0612]

YES.........we all have days like this!

I had a melt down at my endo appointment last Friday. My A1c is still high and I'm stressed out! I told my endo I no longer wished to have Diabetes but, unfortunately, I can't find anyone who will take it from me!

Karen

[yannah]

my labs have been drawn.

I am a little better. My docotr always makes me feel good.
He told me I should teach a class for him.

but then he told me he has stopped automatically prescribing meters for type 2's.

to which I was ticked off.
so ya know, conversation followed.
I was not impressed.

apparently we here are the "rare" diabetics for real. he said he has found testing for type 2's is confusing and frustrating and overall not helpful. and that most people are not like us.

I think nobody tells people how it is. Tell them how it is FGS.

[Gordonm]

I know this is not going to be received to well but we are all tired of it. No one wants it and no one signed up for this, It is the cards we are dealt with. You can feel sorry for yourself and wallow around in it for years. It is not going away. I take every day as a new start. It is great to be alive and breathing. I just got word a neighbor of mine who passed away at 47, 1 year older than me from cancer. Take control of diabetes, don;t let it get the best of you. We all have bad days here and there but it could be way worse. I know we all have to vent now and then and that is good but we need more up lifting posts on how good your day went.

Mine is starting off great. Woke up at 5:30 to our 2 cats chasing each other around the house. Felt a little tickle in my thoat, hoping it was not sickness. Ate breakfast and was on the road on my bike at 6:30 for a 27 mile ride. There are crappy things happening all around, life is good. It certainly beats the alternative. BTW the throat thing is gone now. :D

[yannah]

I know this is not going to be received to well but we are all tired of it. No one wants it and no one signed up for this, It is the cards we are dealt with. You can feel sorry for yourself and wallow around in it for years. It is not going away. I take every day as a new start. It is great to be alive and breathing. I just got word a neighbor of mine who passed away at 47, 1 year older than me from cancer. Take control of diabetes, don;t let it get the best of you. We all have bad days here and there but it could be way worse. I know we all have to vent now and then and that is good but we need more up lifting posts on how good your day went.

Mine is starting off great. Woke up at 5:30 to our 2 cats chasing each other around the house. Felt a little tickle in my thoat, hoping it was not sickness. Ate breakfast and was on the road on my bike at 6:30 for a 27 mile ride. There are crappy things happening all around, life is good. It certainly beats the alternative. BTW the throat thing is gone now. :D

I really think its okay to get bumbed out once in awhile, yes.
but of course I am still lucky in many ways.

[DeusXM]

Maybe I'm not ready to accept that yet, although it sounds like I will receive an abundance of "training" to learn carb-counting etc.. While I am not skilled at that, I feel I have learned all that I will probably learn about it through you guys. People who are actually diabetic, I don't feel much trust when the Dr. Isn't diabetic herself.

Just remember some of us who do actually have diabetes really aren't sold on the idea of low-carb.

And I'd say you're a classic case of precisely why. I'm not going to turn this into another carb argument and my last point will be this - what makes you feel more normal? Watching everything that passes your lips and deliberately limiting your food choices because of a diet, or just testing, bolusing and eating?

Neither are normal and perhaps one gets 'better' results but personally I think if I spent my whole life thinking "I can't eat that because it's not low-carb", I think I'd be pretty pissed off with diabetes as well. There's two treatments available for diabetes - one which deals with making sure your numbers are as close to 'normal' as possible, and one which ensures diabetes has the minimum impact on your life.

And the two aren't mutually exclusive goals either.

[Delphinus]

I know this is not going to be received to well but we are all tired of it. No one wants it and no one signed up for this, It is the cards we are dealt with. You can feel sorry for yourself and wallow around in it for years. It is not going away. I take every day as a new start. It is great to be alive and breathing. I just got word a neighbor of mine who passed away at 47, 1 year older than me from cancer. Take control of diabetes, don;t let it get the best of you. We all have bad days here and there but it could be way worse. I know we all have to vent now and then and that is good but we need more up lifting posts on how good your day went.

Mine is starting off great. Woke up at 5:30 to our 2 cats chasing each other around the house. Felt a little tickle in my thoat, hoping it was not sickness. Ate breakfast and was on the road on my bike at 6:30 for a 27 mile ride. There are crappy things happening all around, life is good. It certainly beats the alternative. BTW the throat thing is gone now. :D

Yes, we all have it. I am sure he is well aware.

However he wanted to vent a bit, and not hold it in.

I think that was a good idea.

I have my days... And when I am feeling bummed out, I do what I know works best, I talk about it because I know there are people that will listen.

I am sure he wasn't looking for pity. Nor do I when I vent. I doubt anyone is.

I mean come on, this is a forum full of diabetics, it's the last place you'll get pity from if you gripe about diabetes. :D

[davef]

I mean come on, this is a forum full of diabetics, it's the last place you'll get pity from if you gripe about diabetes. :D

WTF, you mean you all have diabetes, feck I thought I was the only one, whew I feel better now! :D


Happy Friday,

[Delphinus]

WTF, you mean you all have diabetes, feck I thought I was the only one, whew I feel better now! :D


Happy Friday,


LAWL

I mean that is exactly what this forum is for, right? Support. :T

[GeishaGirl]

YES.........we all have days like this!

I had a melt down at my endo appointment last Friday. My A1c is still high and I'm stressed out! I told my endo I no longer wished to have Diabetes but, unfortunately, I can't find anyone who will take it from me!

Karen

I cried at my endo appointment yesterday. My I:C ratio is ridiculously high, as are my basals, which is making it impossible for me to lose weight, which is making it impossible for me to lower my insulin intake... I'm effin' trapped in this horrible cycle.

I asked to go on Actos, and my endo refused to write me a scrip. It's the very first time she's actually refused me something I want to do for my care, and she said it's because the potential for weight gain on Actos would negate any benefit from the increased sensitivity. So I cried, because it's literally the only thing I could think of. My sugars hit 250 every day, and won't come down for hours, and I'm terrified of going blind. And I'm frustrated. And this all sucks.

[yannah]

WTF, you mean you all have diabetes, feck I thought I was the only one, whew I feel better now! :D


Happy Friday,

you are pretty darn funny on "happy friday" day!

[yannah]

I cried at my endo appointment yesterday. My I:C ratio is ridiculously high, as are my basals, which is making it impossible for me to lose weight, which is making it impossible for me to lower my insulin intake... I'm effin' trapped in this horrible cycle.

I asked to go on Actos, and my endo refused to write me a scrip. It's the very first time she's actually refused me something I want to do for my care, and she said it's because the potential for weight gain on Actos would negate any benefit from the increased sensitivity. So I cried, because it's literally the only thing I could think of. My sugars hit 250 every day, and won't come down for hours, and I'm terrified of going blind. And I'm frustrated. And this all sucks.

well, yeap I agree.



this does suck.


how about metformin? I know nothing of what I am speaking , but that won't cause weight gain.




and I feel so bad for you. I would be so upset and worried.

(((((((((((((you))))))))))))))

[GeishaGirl]

well, yeap I agree.



this does suck.


how about metformin? I know nothing of what I am speaking , but that won't cause weight gain.




and I feel so bad for you. I would be so upset and worried.

(((((((((((((you))))))))))))))

Thank you :) I am on Metformin (in sig) and it's helping my fasting numbers immensely, and I've been able to reduce my early morning, and early afternoon basals a little. The problem comes when I eat. Sometimes (like last night) I can eat something full of carbs, like my famous stir-fry and have my sugar not even spike above 130, and sometimes (like a few days ago) I have a bagel -- the exact same amount of carbs -- and my sugar hits 280 and won't come down. I actually have given up on correction boluses when that happens, because I can pump insulin into my body for hours -- enough insulin to fell a horse -- and nothing will change.

I don't intend to do low-carb, because I wind up freaking out and feeling horrible, but I'm starting to try the whole "eating close to Mother Nature" -- ie, rice is alright, bread is not as far as carbs go. Beans good, pasta bad (except the occasional Dreamfields as a treat). Fruit good, candy bad. I'm learning that if the carbs I eat aren't processed, I don't spike, so I'm trying desperately to work with that, even though it costs stupid money.

[sarahspins]

Just remember some of us who do actually have diabetes really aren't sold on the idea of low-carb.

And I'd say you're a classic case of precisely why. I'm not going to turn this into another carb argument and my last point will be this - what makes you feel more normal? Watching everything that passes your lips and deliberately limiting your food choices because of a diet, or just testing, bolusing and eating?

Neither are normal and perhaps one gets 'better' results but personally I think if I spent my whole life thinking "I can't eat that because it's not low-carb", I think I'd be pretty pissed off with diabetes as well. There's two treatments available for diabetes - one which deals with making sure your numbers are as close to 'normal' as possible, and one which ensures diabetes has the minimum impact on your life.

And the two aren't mutually exclusive goals either.

I absolutely agree with this! If I were to eat only low-carb, I think my overall BG control would be HORRIBLE. That's just how it is... I'd rather deal with a modest post-meal spike (by modest I mean 140-150 at an hour - which is where I am with most moderate to high carb meals), than to have misleading normal one hour numbers but then see those climb sky high for hours later... it's easier for me to be proactive and just bolus for eating carbs than to chase highs for low GI foods or from eating a lot of fat and protein. I react very nicely to insulin when my BG is near normal.. but if for some reason I get over 200, it's really frustrating trying to get back down to normal. Over 300 and I require just about twice as much insulin as I would regularly take to correct.. the higher I get, the more insulin it requires, almost like an inverse square - it's very frustrating and that's what low-carb eating does to me.

I think that if more T2's tested at hourly intervals after a low-carb meal, they may see some of the same delayed effect. Honestly I don't think it does any good to be at 100 at an hour, if by 3 or 4 hours you're much much higher. The way I eat, and dose my insulin, 90% of the time I'm between 90 and 130. My A1C reflects that too.

I think honestly, most T1's would probably benefit from just eating carbs and not getting caught up in the low-carb hype... it may work for many T2's, but for a T1 it just seems to set up a frustrating cycle... when it really does seem easier to work out I:C ratios that work (mine vary throughout the day), with a basal dose that doesn't require "feeding" to prevent lows and just eat to hunger, and within reason. I certainly don't advocate anyone going out and eating a single meal with 100g+ carbs, but certainly in the 60-75 range is feasible for a lot of us, and can be done while maintaining good control.

Of course this is a YDMV thing, some T1's may in fact do better on a low-carb regimen.. but I think especially when someone is newly diagnosed, it just adds another complication into the mix - learning to adjust for low-GI foods and the BG raising effects of fat and protein is much more difficult than it would initially seem - after 9 years I still have trouble, even when I think I know what to expect (like Pizza for example, is still almost impossible to eat).

[Morris "Type 1"]

Yeah, I just needed to vent because I have found that there are some things you can't talk about to loved ones as their emotions get tangled up in to it and then you are left with the situation of making them feel better while still not having expressed yourself.

For example I mentioned the information I had read the other day about a normal person being at 4.7mmol/L for their BG when fasting or whatever, now when my sugar reaches 6.0mmol/l or I mention what the doctors say of being in range 6.0 - 8.0 as being good.. She kinda freaks out a bit. I don't know who or what to 'believe', I have roped a non-diabetic friend into testing his glucose at multiple intervals through the day, for about 3 days, when we meet up on thursday. I figure that would at least give me a better understanding of the mechanics, something tangible that I can almost put my hands on and maybe get to understand. I may be barking up the wrong tree, of course, but I doubt that.

Anyway, yesterday was a good day watching food shows on TV, I never really found any interest in the past but now suddenly it feels like a life long passion.. I guess it will be now :).

Today is a moderate day, neither feeling bad or good, comfortable and relaxed, yay. :)

I'm sorry for those of you having ****ty times at the moment, *hugs*.

(ps. I'm not ignoring the low-carb posts.. just feel like I would derail the thread if I add my take on it).

[type2in NY]

I cried at my endo appointment yesterday. My I:C ratio is ridiculously high, as are my basals, which is making it impossible for me to lose weight, which is making it impossible for me to lower my insulin intake... I'm effin' trapped in this horrible cycle.

I asked to go on Actos, and my endo refused to write me a scrip. It's the very first time she's actually refused me something I want to do for my care, and she said it's because the potential for weight gain on Actos would negate any benefit from the increased sensitivity. So I cried, because it's literally the only thing I could think of. My sugars hit 250 every day, and won't come down for hours, and I'm terrified of going blind. And I'm frustrated. And this all sucks.

Actos hasn't affected my weight loss at all. A steady 2-3 lbs a week comes off. I do walk a lot and go up and down stairs a lot in my house though.

See another doctor I'd reccomend.

[DeusXM]

For example I mentioned the information I had read the other day about a normal person being at 4.7mmol/L for their BG when fasting or whatever, now when my sugar reaches 6.0mmol/l or I mention what the doctors say of being in range 6.0 - 8.0 as being good.. She kinda freaks out a bit. I don't know who or what to 'believe', I have roped a non-diabetic friend into testing his glucose at multiple intervals through the day, for about 3 days, when we meet up on thursday. I figure that would at least give me a better understanding of the mechanics, something tangible that I can almost put my hands on and maybe get to understand. I may be barking up the wrong tree, of course, but I doubt that.

Couple of things:

Fasting blood sugars are not indicative of overall blood sugar levels.
Being in the range of 6-8mmol/l is actually pretty good - especially if you are able to manage this without significantly altering your life.

The real end result you need to be looking at is your A1C. Spot BG tests are only any good for determining where you are at one given moment or for noticing trends. They're not necessarily indicative of good control.

At the very least your experiment should be interesting. Can I make a request? Test them, get them to drink an energy drink, and then test them 15 minutes later. My theory is that non-diabetics do have significant BG spikes which can go over 10mmol/l and it'd be awesome to test that.

[Morris "Type 1"]

Okay I will do, any recommendation on which energy drink you would like to see tested?

I live in the UK so options maybe quite limited if you are from the states.

That is a good idea by the way, I will makes sure we try it!

[Morris "Type 1"]

By the way you mentioned that 6.0mmol/L as being good, especially if someone hasn't changed their diet significantly..

At the moment I am averaging about 5.0 for the most of the time, except post prandials which are going up to maybe 6.0 - 6.5. Rarely higher at the moment. Do you have opinion on this ? I am interested in peoples views.

[DeusXM]

Okay I will do, any recommendation on which energy drink you would like to see tested?

Anything with sugar in it - Lucozade perhaps, the proper stuff that comes in the orange coke style bottle, not the watery rehydration stuff.

At the moment I am averaging about 5.0 for the most of the time, except post prandials which are going up to maybe 6.0 - 6.5.

That's essentially 'non-diabetic', so good for you. Sounds like you're on track to a good A1C.

[Morris "Type 1"]

Okays, I will sort that out.

Well, an update, regarding feeling rubbish..

I felt depressed for a couple of days, so I have gone back to eatting carbs tomorarily and suddenly I feel great.. Okay, my sugars are sucking hard, often I'm going above 8.0 because I can't count carbs very well and I don't yet know my ratio but it certainly lifted the rough feeling I was having.

[MCS]

The 5 hour energy drinnk seems towork for me, don't know if they have it where you are at.

It contains: L-Tyrosine, L-Taurine, Choline, L-phenolamine, caffiene, along with B-12

It seems to drop you BG down as well.