Is a Starbucks Quad Grande Skim NoWhip Mocha ok?

[reefedjib]

To drink I mean. It has some sugar from the chocolate, but I don't add extra sugar. But it's not sugar free. Do I have to stick to sugar-free drinks (water)?

On the nutrition side of the house, I have 370 calories and 21 g Fat, 40 g Carbs, 13 g Protein. I don't remember where I got those numbers.

I really really like my Quad Grande Skim NoWhip Mochas!

[slwood321]

As a meal why not....as a snack, I think you probably have guessed that answer. Does it come in a smaller size?

[reefedjib]

As a meal why not....as a snack, I think you probably have guessed that answer. Does it come in a smaller size?

That's a great idea! It comes as a "tall" which I believe is 12 oz. I don't know why I didn't think of that. Thanks!

[fairyblood]

I am type one so take what I say with a grain of salt. There really isn't an easy answer to this. I would try it and test at both the 1 hour mark and the two hour mark at least and see what your meter says your body can handle. That is a lot of carbs to have at once so I wouldn't make it a everyday thing even if it seems like your pancreas can handle it for now.

I am sure you will get more answers and better ones for other type 2's soon. ;)

[matingara]

for me (and this is just me as i am not qualified to speak for others), 40 grams of carbs is more carbs than i care to consume in an entire day!!!

so - i would never have this as a drink or a snack. especially one of this sort of dubious quality.

if i want coffee i drink black espresso. isn't starbucks in the coffee business? i thought they were???

i have never been to a starbucks but it sounds like they are in the dessert business to me...

[owlyn]

To drink I mean. It has some sugar from the chocolate, but I don't add extra sugar. But it's not sugar free. Do I have to stick to sugar-free drinks (water)?

On the nutrition side of the house, I have 370 calories and 21 g Fat, 40 g Carbs, 13 g Protein. I don't remember where I got those numbers.

I really really like my Quad Grande Skim NoWhip Mochas!

Depends how much weight you want to gain from a cup of coffee. 50 calorie/15 cent alternative: Pour one packet of Swiss Miss Sugar Free in an empty mug, stir in coffee. Mochachino.

[Gordonm]

I'll be the wet blanket here. Those drinks are not coffee. They are desserts. Starbucks has done a great marketing job on this to think you are drinking coffee. Look hard at what you printed for the nutrition. It is dessert catagory. So many people drink these like they are water and have a few a day and never figure them into a meal plan, oh its just coffee. Yea right. That is why the American public is grossly overweight. They don't consider every calorie they consume. Judging by your A1C numbers I would say curb your "coffee" addiction and get on the right track to get your numbers down. The chocolate coffee is not helping the numbers.

[retired60]

For your sugar anyway..............if the meter says it's okay I would enjoy.

[yannah]

no way would I drink that.

toooooo many carbs.

[Subby]

Wow, that's about 10 teaspoons of sugar in that "drink". Think of that - standing at a sugar bowl and shoveling 10 teaspoons of sugar into your mouth over a few minutes. It might be slowed down a little by the fat content in this drink - then again, I find high fat/high fast carb combos can have the longest and highest spike trends, you spike from the carbs, and the fat draws out the active spike for hours and hours. Other examples for me, being pizza and doughnuts.

You mention sugar free and water as if they are the only other choice. Well, they are good choices. But you've picked a drink pretty much on the "extreme" side of sugar and carbs. A normal (and normal sized) coffee with milk might be about 8g of carbs. Even if you really want a sweet hit and add a sugar it might be about 12g. How much better is that likely to be for your BG than 40g? Heaps.

In the end though, we can all make these comments, but you and your tester should be making the final judgments about all foods.

[pdxdennisj]

40 carbs is my *max* allowance for a meal.

[dbaratta]

To drink I mean. It has some sugar from the chocolate, but I don't add extra sugar. But it's not sugar free. Do I have to stick to sugar-free drinks (water)?

On the nutrition side of the house, I have 370 calories and 21 g Fat, 40 g Carbs, 13 g Protein. I don't remember where I got those numbers.

I really really like my Quad Grande Skim NoWhip Mochas!
If it were me I would avoid that drink. The sugar plus the milk has sugar will probably cause a spike. That drink would take me for at least a +300 reading on the glucose meter. Everyone is different though.

[dbaratta]

I'll be the wet blanket here. Those drinks are not coffee. They are desserts. Starbucks has done a great marketing job on this to think you are drinking coffee. Look hard at what you printed for the nutrition. It is dessert catagory. So many people drink these like they are water and have a few a day and never figure them into a meal plan, oh its just coffee. Yea right. That is why the American public is grossly overweight. They don't consider every calorie they consume. Judging by your A1C numbers I would say curb your "coffee" addiction and get on the right track to get your numbers down. The chocolate coffee is not helping the numbers.
Call me crazy but I think your A1C numbers are great, I would still avoid the drink though.

[sumi]

Poppy,
Perhaps you misread the A1C of 13.1 ? This would translate to an average bg of 389.

[e||ement]

Call me crazy but I think your A1C numbers are great, I would still avoid the drink though.

dbaratta...are you serious? those are dangerous numbers in my opinion.

i would steer clear of that coffee! i love sweet indulgences...but i love my vision, organs and limbs more.

[Josselyn]

Ummm...I'm kind of new here, but until you can get your A1c number to half of what it is, you need to leave that kind of stuff alone. Once your glucose numbers normalize, you could probably "afford" to indulge once in a while. But by then, you'll be so well informed that you probably will talk yourself right out of having it.

I know it's hard. But I was recently diagnosed as a Type 2 with an A1c of 6.6...and yours is double that. You need to take care of yourself...and try to find a decent substitute for that which you crave for. Owlyn's recipe (above) might be a good start. I know I'm going to try it. I have a bit of a mocha sweet tooth myself...

God bless.
Josselyn

[reefedjib]

Thanks for all the great responses. I downgraded my coffee to a Double Short Skin No Whip Mocha. It is 8 oz. and the numbers are: 226 Cal 13g Fat 22g Carbs 8g Protein. Still a lot. Several of you mentioned that my numbers are so poor I should just give it up. Sadly, I think you are right. I ate a salad for lunch (lots of dressing so still work to do) and grilled chicken and broccolli for dinner. I am seeing my morning BG fall below 200 for the first time this week. Between changing my diet, giving up the desserts like my coffee (I agree, it's a dessert!) and taking mealtime insulin I am getting there. I'm just not very happy about it.

[cwathne]

Thanks for all the great responses. I downgraded my coffee to a Double Short Skin No Whip Mocha. It is 8 oz. and the numbers are: 226 Cal 13g Fat 22g Carbs 8g Protein. Still a lot. Several of you mentioned that my numbers are so poor I should just give it up. Sadly, I think you are right. I ate a salad for lunch (lots of dressing so still work to do) and grilled chicken and broccolli for dinner. I am seeing my morning BG fall below 200 for the first time this week. Between changing my diet, giving up the desserts like my coffee (I agree, it's a dessert!) and taking mealtime insulin I am getting there. I'm just not very happy about it.
:confused:

why?

[reefedjib]

:confused:

why?

Well I like that I am making progress toward getting D under control. Don't get me wrong. It's very important.

I am not happy with what I am having to give up to get there. I like my high-fat, high-carb diet. It tastes good and it is convenient, since every place makes food like that. I don't like the taste of healthy food and it's unfulfilling. I don't want to give up my mochas and drink green tea.

[fgummett]

OK.. so how's about bacon and eggs for breakfast, or a cheese omelette, or some salmon fried up with bacon and eggs, or some steak... for breakfast..?

Steak, chicken, salmon or pork with real-cream or red-wine sauce and steamed broccoli or freshly washed Romaine lettuce for supper... maybe with a sprinkling of Parmesan cheese over it.

Full-fat cheeses, mature cheddar, Camembert...

A glass or two of dry red Cabernet Sauvignon or Shiraz with supper...

Dark chocolate, nuts or even pork rinds for snacks.

A few fresh berries with full-fat cream and dark-chocolate shavings over the top

Yup... pretty bland and unfulfilling... I don't know how I can choke down this stuff :D

Oh and by the way this is a recipe for improved BG control, improved lipids/cholesterol and -- amazingly -- weight-loss without being hungry all the time ;-)

There is nothing wrong with fat -- we evolved to eat it and our bodies know when we have had enough -- what we didn't evolve to eat was so much refined and concentrated sugar/carbohydrates.

[sumi]

It's true, Reef,
Many of use do not particularly limit our fats (except no transfat!). We just limit carbs and get creative. Most of us find it help to keep our hunger under control as well as doing great things for our blood sugars.

[owlyn]

Owlyn's recipe (above) might be a good start. I know I'm going to try it. I have a bit of a mocha sweet tooth myself...

God bless.
Josselyn

Joss,

I've been drinking my coffee that way for as long as I've been a diabetic (18 years).

Be sure to put the powder in first, and then stir while you pour the coffee in. I use the envelopes, as I am lazy and they are pre-measured. I used to get a really good deal on them at Sam's Club (box of 60 for $5.95, or about 11.5 cents per envelope), but they stopped carrying them. Now I subscribe to them through Amazon. They cost a little more (2 boxes of 60 for 18.00 total, (about 15 cents per envelope)), so still pretty cheap. I figure the whole mug winds up costing maybe 25 cents at most. Far cheaper in price and calories than one of those frappamochlattechinos, and just as satisfying. You can even add a splash of milk (about the amount in one of those little creamers) if you want it a little richer. It doesn't take much. BTW, I use SafeWay French Roast Coffee. I buy the large (34.5 ounce) cans for about $7.00.

Hope you like it.

[Maying]

Hello!...I work at Starbucks and am a diabetic.

I can honestly tell you that it's really not something you should drink on a regular basis. There is a lot of sugar and fat in it. Maybe twice a month as a treat eh? I have several diabetic customers and I've never seen one drink a mocha.

Why not experiment with a sugar free non-fat or soy latte? You could try a sugar free hazelnut or caramel latte with skim milk, and bring your own sugar free hot chocolate to add to it? Kind of a compromise you know?

Hope I helped ;)

[PrettynPurple]

Hello!...I work at Starbucks and am a diabetic.

I can honestly tell you that it's really not something you should drink on a regular basis. There is a lot of sugar and fat in it. Maybe twice a month as a treat eh? I have several diabetic customers and I've never seen one drink a mocha.

Why not experiment with a sugar free non-fat or soy latte? You could try a sugar free hazelnut or caramel latte with skim milk, and bring your own sugar free hot chocolate to add to it? Kind of a compromise you know?

Hope I helped ;)

not to take away from the thread but omg I just love the pic you have, Mr wonka as teh enemy oh that certainly made me chuckle :D

[reefedjib]

OK.. so how's about bacon and eggs for breakfast, or a cheese omelette, or some salmon fried up with bacon and eggs, or some steak... for breakfast..?

Steak, chicken, salmon or pork with real-cream or red-wine sauce and steamed broccoli or freshly washed Romaine lettuce for supper... maybe with a sprinkling of Parmesan cheese over it.

Full-fat cheeses, mature cheddar, Camembert...

A glass or two of dry red Cabernet Sauvignon or Shiraz with supper...

Dark chocolate, nuts or even pork rinds for snacks.

A few fresh berries with full-fat cream and dark-chocolate shavings over the top

Yup... pretty bland and unfulfilling... I don't know how I can choke down this stuff :D

Oh and by the way this is a recipe for improved BG control, improved lipids/cholesterol and -- amazingly -- weight-loss without being hungry all the time ;-)

There is nothing wrong with fat -- we evolved to eat it and our bodies know when we have had enough -- what we didn't evolve to eat was so much refined and concentrated sugar/carbohydrates.

Ok, I like what I read here. Tell me it is the recipes from a Diabetic Foods Delivery Service and all I have to do is pop them in the microwave! I have heard they have these food delivery services...I wonder if they offer diet foods.

My nutritionist did say that I have to cut the fat out of my diet, since it prolongs the effect of carbs on my BG.

[reefedjib]

It's true, Reef,
Many of use do not particularly limit our fats (except no transfat!). We just limit carbs and get creative. Most of us find it help to keep our hunger under control as well as doing great things for our blood sugars.

I should have mentioned my nutritionist in your post, Sumi. She said fat prolongs the effect of carbs on our BG. I am supposed to cut down on both fat and carbs, but that may be because I eat an extraordinary amount of fat.

[reefedjib]

Hello!...I work at Starbucks and am a diabetic.

I can honestly tell you that it's really not something you should drink on a regular basis. There is a lot of sugar and fat in it. Maybe twice a month as a treat eh? I have several diabetic customers and I've never seen one drink a mocha.

Why not experiment with a sugar free non-fat or soy latte? You could try a sugar free hazelnut or caramel latte with skim milk, and bring your own sugar free hot chocolate to add to it? Kind of a compromise you know?

Hope I helped ;)

Yay an expert! ;-) I drink 2 a day. Since I am in this recent mood to look at what I am consuming, I'll try a caramel latte next time. Is that the same as a caramel machiato? Maybe I should just switch to Chai, you know?

Is there such a thing a sugar free non-fat milk? Is soy non-fat? Those are even better than skim milk I suppose.

Cheers!

[Maying]

Yay an expert! ;-) I drink 2 a day. Since I am in this recent mood to look at what I am consuming, I'll try a caramel latte next time. Is that the same as a caramel machiato? Maybe I should just switch to Chai, you know?

Is there such a thing a sugar free non-fat milk? Is soy non-fat? Those are even better than skim milk I suppose.

Cheers!

A caramel macchiato is different froma caramel latte, it uses vanilla syrup and caramel topping. But you can get sugar free vanilla in that as well.

Chai actually has almost as much sugar as the mocha I think, and caffeine too. I'd steer cleer of chai for the most part, it gives me awful spikes personally.

There's no sugar free cow's milk that I'm aware of, but you can use soy which is a good option if lactose (the sugar in the milk) doesn't agree with you too well.

I've switched over to a soy sugar free caramel latte which is pretty good and doesn't bother my BG too much. :)

[reefedjib]

I've switched over to a soy sugar free caramel latte which is pretty good and doesn't bother my BG too much. :)

Thanks, Rose. I'll try it. :D

[genie86333]

My problem is that Starbucks did away with the sugar-free mocha flavoring. They lost my business when they discontinued it. I now go to a local shop. Theirs are better anyways & they have sugar-free whip too.

[reefedjib]

My problem is that Starbucks did away with the sugar-free mocha flavoring. They lost my business when they discontinued it. I now go to a local shop. Theirs are better anyways & they have sugar-free whip too.

I just asked about that when I went earler today and they said they don't have it. I did think of something to do which is to only ask for one squirt instead of their normal two squirts of chocolate (in a short). I tried the sugar-free caramel latte and didn't care for it. I am now doing a Double Short Non-fat No Whip One Squirt Mocha. :)

[reefedjib]

I just found out about Soy milk through this site: Starbucks Calories - Fast Food Nutritional Facts & Menu Information (http://www.shapefit.com/starbucks.html). For my Double Short Mocha it drops the carbs by a third (22 -> 16). I wonder how much the single squirt drops it? I am guessing down to 10? I am new to carb counting.

[fgummett]

Fat + carbs is a problem for diabetics but fat by itself does not affect BGs... fat is not converted to glucose.

Skimming the fat off milk effectively concentrates the lactose (sugar); so for a given volume you get higher carbs/sugar in skimmed than in full-fat.

Most nutritionists advise low-fat because that is what they were taught and it is the same dogma that they have been preaching for the last 30 years or so... it is based on poor science, assumptions and conjecture -- I choose the words "dogma" and "preach" because the low-fat message is based more in faith than scientific proof.

The recipes I mentioned above are home cooked but take only minutes to prepare. :)

[Maying]

My problem is that Starbucks did away with the sugar-free mocha flavoring. They lost my business when they discontinued it. I now go to a local shop. Theirs are better anyways & they have sugar-free whip too.

I miss the SF mocha too, we didn't have it for very long. :(

What I heared from my manager was that a lot of the customers hated it and thought it tasted like old melted tootsie rolls :confused:.

[reefedjib]

I tried the Soy varient and I can't do it. It just tastes too differently. I did add another shot of expresso, thinking that that will offset the numbers, but now I don't know what numbers to give it when I define it in CalorieKing. This part is hard, estimating the nutritional numbers. Maybe you guys can help me...

The standard drink is
Single Short Skim No Whip Two Pump Mocha
Size: 8oz, Cals: 120, Fat: 1.4g, Carbs: 22g, Protein: 8g.

My mods make it a:
Triple Short Skim No Whip One Pump Mocha
Size: 8oz, Cals: ??, Fat: ??g, Carbs: ??g, Protein: ??g.

Thanks in advance!

[Josselyn]

Joss,

I've been drinking my coffee that way for as long as I've been a diabetic (18 years).

Be sure to put the powder in first, and then stir while you pour the coffee in. I use the envelopes, as I am lazy and they are pre-measured. I used to get a really good deal on them at Sam's Club (box of 60 for $5.95, or about 11.5 cents per envelope), but they stopped carrying them. Now I subscribe to them through Amazon. They cost a little more (2 boxes of 60 for 18.00 total, (about 15 cents per envelope)), so still pretty cheap. I figure the whole mug winds up costing maybe 25 cents at most. Far cheaper in price and calories than one of those frappamochlattechinos, and just as satisfying. You can even add a splash of milk (about the amount in one of those little creamers) if you want it a little richer. It doesn't take much. BTW, I use SafeWay French Roast Coffee. I buy the large (34.5 ounce) cans for about $7.00.

Hope you like it.

And THANK YOU for taking the time to add to my ever-growing repertoire of (healthy & diabetic-friendly) culinary delights!

All the best to you...