The 6-12-12 Club

[Abra]

Want to join?

I've been reading Dr. Bernstein's books, in which he advocates a diet of 6 gms of carbs for breakfast, 12 for lunch, and 12 for dinner, as a virtual cure for diabetic symptoms. As it turns out, Reefedjib was reading it at the same time, and so yesterday we decided to give the program a try, and use a thread here to talk about our experiences and hopefully find others who want to try this out with us.

I confess to having started yesterday, although I wasn't planning to, I just sort of tried it out for one meal then another, and before I knew it, I'd done Day 1. Here's how it went.

Arising 102
Breakfast + 2 hours 98
Before lunch 93
Lunch + 2 hrs 106
Before dinner 87
Dinner + 2 hours 97

This is the lowest daily average I've ever had since I started doing seriously low carb (but nothing like this low) about 5 weeks ago. I wasn't hungry at all, even though I'm usually hungry pretty much all the time. And my weight, which has stubbornly refused to budge at all for the past month was down 2 lbs this morning. I think this is going to help me!

[ShottleBop]

I can kibbitz. I've already lost my weight, but try to stick to 6-12-12, plus snacks here or there. (Dr. Bernstein doesn't like snacking, but condones them, if you limit snack carbs to the number permitted for the meal then most recently eaten.)

This morning, FBG was 97. Two hours later, 106.

[foxl]

I will follow you in spirit, but I find it to hard to do that low and maintain my ethical veg stance ... :(

[Dis-N-Dat]

Hmmm, very good progress! I don't eat quite that many carbs (<15 per day) but you're sure getting great numbers.

I'm suspect about him touting the diet as a "virtual cure" though. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he means great control.

Keep us updated, this is really interesting.

[Abra]

Company in spirit is great, and kibbitzing too. I'm such a newbie that I appreciate any advice from those who have gone before.

Here's a little breakfast thingie I concocted that makes a perfect 6 carb meal (actually, I make it to be 1.5, but I'm rounding up to avoid excess).

Six Carb Breakfast Pancake

3 T flax seed meal
2 T vanilla whey protein powder (unsweetened)
3 T cream
1 egg
splash of vanilla extract, pinch of cinnamon
1 T sour cream mixed with a little vanilla for topping

Mix all the pancake ingredients together thoroughly in a small bowl. Heat some oil in a pan (I use olive oil, but canola would be fine too) and fry pancake on both sides until puffed and done. Spread while hot with the sour cream topping.

Also, if you use sweeteners, a little would be good in the pancake. So far I haven't reconciled myself to using them.

Amazingly enough, I find that holds me happily until lunch, but you could easily add another egg if you want more protein.

[foxl]

I made a weird one last night ... a chocolate blueberry muffin-in-a-minute!

1 TBS butter (can use oil of course), 2 TBS flax, 1 TBS cocoa, 1/2 tsp baking powder, 1 egg, 1.4 c blueberries. (can add splenda or sweetener of course, but I did not and it was GOOD!). Nuked for 2 min to thaw frozen blueberries, topped with more butter.

OOPS I guess Blueberries are not "kosher" in Bernstein.

[reefedjib]

Hey Abra and everyone,

Sorry I am late to the party. I had a busy day.

I just now read about the 6-12-12 (plus snacks) and the proposed meal plan in Chapter 11 of Diabetes Solution. Today was not my best start - I went to McDonalds for breakfast :o and Taco Bell for lunch. Dinner will be pork ribs and a salad, so that's probably under 12g carbs.

One thing that I have wondered while reading Chapter 11 is Dr B's statement that we should eat the same amount of protein for each lunch, for instance. What's that all about?

I'll try to do better tomorrow.

[ShottleBop]

Hey Abra and everyone,

Sorry I am late to the party. I had a busy day.

I just now read about the 6-12-12 (plus snacks) and the proposed meal plan in Chapter 11 of Diabetes Solution. Today was not my best start - I went to McDonalds for breakfast :o and Taco Bell for lunch. Dinner will be pork ribs and a salad, so that's probably under 12g carbs.

One thing that I have wondered while reading Chapter 11 is Dr B's statement that we should eat the same amount of protein for each lunch, for instance. What's that all about?

I'll try to do better tomorrow.

He'a of the view that the less variation in your meals, the less you have to vary your injections, resulting in fewer opportunities for miscalculations. Probably more germane to someone using insulin (or taking meds that affect insulin levels).

[reefedjib]

He'a of the view that the less variation in your meals, the less you have to vary your injections, resulting in fewer opportunities for miscalculations. Probably more germane to someone using insulin (or, possibly, taking meds).

That makes sense. He's trying to reach a steady state. THis is connected with the fact that there are some carbs in protein. I think it is 1g carb/oz protein.

I am using insulin, so that definitely applies. I am also obese, so I am now reading Chapter 12 with interest.

[Granny Shanny]

These waffles of mine would fit into your regimen too. They're about 1 - 1½ grams per square (my waffle iron is a big old square one; newer ones are prob'ly smaller, so even fewer carbs per waffle)

Low-carb waffles

8 oz cream cheese (beaten until smooth)
3 eggs
1/2 cup low carb baking mix (Atkins, Bob's Red Mill, Carbquik, etc)
1/2 tsp. baking powder
1 tbsp. sweetener
1/4 cup cream or half & half

When cream cheese is smooth, start adding the eggs, one at a time, continuing to beat until smooth.

When eggs/cream cheese mixture is smooth, add remaining ingredients, blending until smooth.

Bake in a preheated waffle iron.

I haven't tried this as a pancake, but it may well work for that too. It makes splendid waffles. I alternate between having two or three little waffle squares with butter & DaVinci pancake syrup, or serving a poached egg on the waffle with a side of sausage or bacon.

[reefedjib]

I made my salad tonight and have about 2 cups of spinach, then I threw on 6 grape tomatoes (really small), some bulgarian feta (which is really nice) and my mediterranean vinigrette. I am enjoying this precursor to ribs, when it hit me - tomatoes are on the No-No list!! NOOOOOO!!! We can't even measure out the carbs and limit ourselves? Grumble.

[Granny Shanny]

I made my salad tonight and have about 2 cups of spinach, then I threw on 6 grape tomatoes (really small), some bulgarian feta (which is really nice) and my mediterranean vinigrette. I am enjoying this precursor to ribs, when it hit me - tomatoes are on the No-No list!! NOOOOOO!!! We can't even measure out the carbs and limit ourselves? Grumble.

Two cups of fresh spinach, eh? Get ready to poop green for the next day or so . . . :D :D :D

Here's a killer spinach salad that doesn't have tomatoes, but whether it conforms to Dr. B., I haven't a clue.

http://www.diabetesforums.com/forum/recipes/41767-spinach-salad-revisited.html#post478500

[Abra]

Fresh tomatoes are allowed in very small quantities. I ate tomatoes tonight too, I put all of my 12 gms of carbs into tomatoes, to go with some grilled beef. I'm waiting to see if I get a spike out of it, but I was 83 before dinner, and now, 1 hour later, I'm at 87. I'm hoping that the fact that there was plenty of fat, and wine, with the tomatoes will flatten out their effect.

Granny, no grain products allowed on the 6-12-12!

[Granny Shanny]

Fresh tomatoes are allowed in very small quantities. I ate tomatoes tonight too, I put all of my 12 gms of carbs into tomatoes, to go with some grilled beef. I'm waiting to see if I get a spike out of it, but I was 83 before dinner, and now, 1 hour later, I'm at 87. I'm hoping that the fact that there was plenty of fat, and wine, with the tomatoes will flatten out their effect.

Granny, no grain products allowed on the 6-12-12!

Well rats! lol! I guess the spinach salad will have to do the trick then. :D :D :D

And kudos on your numbers tonight!

[reefedjib]

Two cups of fresh spinach, eh? Get ready to poop green for the next day or so . . . :D :D :D

Uh oh, I hope not!! The feta cheese should keep me tight.

[Abra]

I'm here to testify that in a past life pre-D I have eaten a whole pound of fresh spinach and have never, ever, had green poop. In fact, beets are the only food that produce technicolor poop in my digestive system, and since beets are right out on the 6-12-12, I guess I'll have to resign myself to boring poop.

[Granny Shanny]

Uh oh, I hope not!! The feta cheese should keep me tight.

Oh lord, you two . . . I'm dying laughing! I didn't mean "loose", I said "GREEN"!
Weird, isn't it? Beets have no effect on me, but spinach? Glow-in-the-dark green! http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/sneezytwo/ROFL1.gif

[Moonglo]

I'm here to testify that in a past life pre-D I have eaten a whole pound of fresh spinach and have never, ever, had green poop. In fact, beets are the only food that produce technicolor poop in my digestive system, and since beets are right out on the 6-12-12, I guess I'll have to resign myself to boring poop.

LOL! Technicolor poop! I soooo needed that laugh right now :)

To those of you who are doing this program, just know I may be lurking to see what kinds of things you eat and how it goes... I would love to think I too could do something like this, but with my limited span of foods that I actually enjoy eating, I honestly don't know if it's possible... but you may convert me yet. ;)

[ShottleBop]

I'm here to testify that in a past life pre-D I have eaten a whole pound of fresh spinach and have never, ever, had green poop. In fact, beets are the only food that produce technicolor poop in my digestive system, and since beets are right out on the 6-12-12, I guess I'll have to resign myself to boring poop.

I will never forget the time (pre-D) that I picked up a chilled goblet of what looked like berry juice at a breakfast buffet and took a big swig, only to discover that it was beet juice. Took me three days to clear it out!

[ShottleBop]

I made my salad tonight and have about 2 cups of spinach, then I threw on 6 grape tomatoes (really small), some bulgarian feta (which is really nice) and my mediterranean vinigrette. I am enjoying this precursor to ribs, when it hit me - tomatoes are on the No-No list!! NOOOOOO!!! We can't even measure out the carbs and limit ourselves? Grumble.

It's OK to eat a slice or two. Eat, and test.

[Granny Shanny]

I will never forget the time (pre-D) that I picked up a chilled goblet of what looked like berry juice at a breakfast buffet and took a big swig, only to discover that it was beet juice. Took me three days to clear it out!
Is that a California thing - beet juice on the breakfast buffet?! I'd have made the same mistake you did - I've never heard of it being served period - let alone with breakfast!

But the color is so tempting . . . I've even used it to dye items of clothing.

[ShottleBop]

I had never seen it before--and I grew up in California.

[reefedjib]

Let me do my part in getting the thread away from poop. :)

Last night I had my spinach salad and skipped the ribs. My BGs were (before: 135, after: 144), with no bolus. I took 82 units of Lantus. This morning for breakfast I had a sausage and cheese omelette and went ahead and had a Grande 2-pump Mocha with around 30g carbs. :o My BGs (before: 116)! I tell you later what my after is. I did not bolus this meal either, but it should have been 4 units. I don't know what I am going to do about my coffee addiction. :mad: Maybe I can do the 36-12-12 diet... That's all for now.

[yannah]

try coffee with full fat cream. yum, you just have to cut the sugar. cuz you really do.

[ShottleBop]

Last night: grilled tuna (Road Kill Grill rub) over broccoli slaw, a half-ounce of unsweetened baking chocolate, a quarter-cup of walnuts, and a glass of wine. Before dinner: 95. Two hours later: 91. (Probably the wine.) Total carbs: 4 in the chocolate (2 of fiber), 3 in the walnuts (2 of fiber), maybe 4-6 in the broccoli slaw (unknown quantity of fiber). Pretty much in range.

This morning: FBG was 84 (first sub-85 in a couple of weeks; my average FBG is running 94 over the past 30 days). I had my usual: a glass of almond milk (2 grams carbs, 1 of them fiber), a quarter-cup of walnuts (4 grams carbs, two of them fiber), and a low-carb protein shake (5 grams of carbs, 3 of them fiber; sometimes--depending on brand--the shake is 2 or 3 grams of carbs, with 1 or 2 grams of fiber). So, my usual breakfast is typically 8-11 grams of carbs, about half of them fiber. Just now, an hour after eating, BG is 92. (My post-prandial spike tends to two hours, though, so we shall see. Over the past 30 days, my 2-hour PP for breakfast has averaged 106, and ranged from 93 to 125 (once, on a high-stress day). Typically, it's somewhere between 105 and 115.)

To lower the carb content of breakfast, I could eat eggs, etc. I tend to do that on weekends; weekdays, I'm just not a big breakfast eater.

[reefedjib]

try coffee with full fat cream. yum, you just have to cut the sugar. cuz you really do.

I know I really do. Ok, I bought the SteviaPlus sweeteners. I'll bring a few of those and try the straght coffee. ****. I like my Mochas. I like the chocolate. Getting creative, maybe I can go for 4 shots of espresso, Stevia to sweeten, and 70% dark chocolate to melt. I'll just have to experiment.

[reefedjib]

Last night: grilled tuna (Road Kill Grill rub) over broccoli slaw, a half-ounce of unsweetened baking chocolate, a quarter-cup of walnuts, and a glass of wine. Before dinner: 95. Two hours later: 91. (Probably the wine.) Total carbs: 4 in the chocolate (2 of fiber), 3 in the walnuts (2 of fiber), maybe 4-6 in the broccoli slaw (unknown quantity of fiber). Pretty much in range.

This morning: FBG was 84 (first sub-85 in a couple of weeks; my average FBG is running 94 over the past 30 days). I had my usual: a glass of almond milk (2 grams carbs, 1 of them fiber), a quarter-cup of walnuts (4 grams carbs, two of them fiber), and a low-carb protein shake (5 grams of carbs, 3 of them fiber; sometimes--depending on brand--the shake is 2 or 3 grams of carbs, with 1 or 2 grams of fiber). So, my usual breakfast is typically 8-11 grams of carbs, about half of them fiber. Just now, an hour after eating, BG is 92. (My post-prandial spike tends to two hours, though, so we shall see. Over the past 30 days, my 2-hour PP for breakfast has averaged 106, and ranged from 93 to 125 (once, on a high-stress day). Typically, it's somewhere between 105 and 115.)

To lower the carb content of breakfast, I could eat eggs, etc. I tend to do that on weekends; weekdays, I'm just not a big breakfast eater.

Awesome numbers, ShottleBop! SO this situation where you credit fiber carbs, like in a quarter-cup of walnuts (4 grams carbs, two of them fiber), do those fiber carbs count toward the 6 g carb limit for breakfast?

[ShottleBop]

Technically, I'm pretty sure that I heard Dr. Bernstein say, in a podcast interview that he did with Jimmy Moore (of Livin' La Vida Low Carb), that you're supposed to include ALL of the carbs in your carb count--but if you're injecting insulin, because metabolism of fiber can vary, you can deduct half the fiber carbs in determining how many carbs to bolus for.

I find that my breakfast post-prandials wander mostly between the 105-115 range (with excursions to the low 90s or to 120) almost independently of what I eat--as long as I'm avoiding sugar and grain and sticking to no more than the number of carbs in my usual breakfast. There are times where I'll go for a week or so having omelettes for breakfast, instead.

[Abra]

Reefedjib - Bernstein says to discount half the fiber grams from the carbs, but I think that means where you have no info about soluble fiber. On a label that breaks out the insoluble fiber fraction, I discount them all. I hope that's correct.

I had a pretty awesome day yesterday, in that I successfully ate some straight-from-the graden tomatoes for dinner, and woke up this morning at 86, my first time ever in the 80s fasting. I was absolutely strict on the 6-12-12 yesterday, plus had a 1 hour workout and a 40 minute walk. The workout was after breakfast, and I always notice that although I lift weights and sweat my BG doesn't drop right after. The walk was after lunch, and the results are as you see them.

Arising 100
Breakfast + 2hrs 103
Before Lunch 107
Lunch + 2 hours 97
Before dinner 83
Dinner plus 2 hours 94

So, onward to Day 3 for me. So far I'm surviving a LOT better than I expected, and those numbers I'm seeing are very reinforcing. My big worry now is that we're going back to France in less than 2 weeks, where I'm not at all sure that I can find stuff like flaxseed meal and whey protein powder, which have become morning staples for me, and where there's no vanilla extract, which I find to be a pretty good sugar substitute.

[reefedjib]

WooHoo!!!! I got my Salumi Salamis today! I am snacking on the Smoked Paprika right now and it is delicious. It's pretty spicy actually, which I love. I also got a Hot Sopressata, a Salumi Salami, a Mole Salami and an Oregano. I am hanging them up in my kitchen so they air-dry and I will be enjoying them over the coming months. Good for the diet, too. I love the store that sells these.

Cheers!

[Granny Shanny]

Didn't Georgia do you that favor? Wow! Sounds wonderful . . . I love that stuff!

[reefedjib]

Didn't Georgia do you that favor? Wow! Sounds wonderful . . . I love that stuff!

Georgia? No, I don't know a Georgia. I ordered them online and they shipped them to me. I have almost finished the one I am working on! ;)

[Granny Shanny]

Georgia? No, I don't know a Georgia. I ordered them online and they shipped them to me. I have almost finished the one I am working on! ;)

My mistake . . . I was remembering Dis n Dat saying she lives near a processing plant where someone's favorite sausages were made, & she was going to get a few & ship them to whoever that member was. Dadgummed CRS . . . strikes again! :D :D :D

[reefedjib]

My mistake . . . I was remembering Dis n Dat saying she lives near a processing plant where someone's favorite sausages were made, & she was going to get a few & ship them to whoever that member was. Dadgummed CRS . . . strikes again! :D :D :D

Heh. :) Is Dis n Dat's name Georgia? She was going to ship me some but I had also ordered some others. You see Salumi's sells some of its products over the net, but it has other great products, like Culatello - which is like Proscuitto, that it only sells in their store. Here (http://www.salumicuredmeats.com/products/main.htm)

[Granny Shanny]

Heh. :) Is Dis n Dat's name Georgia? She was going to ship me some but I had also ordered some others. You see Salumi's sells some of its products over the net, but it has other great products, like Culatello - which is like Proscuitto, that it only sells in their store. Here (http://www.salumicuredmeats.com/products/main.htm)

I believe it is . . . she hasn't corrected me when I call her that.

That website could send me right around the bend. I LOVE those kinds of aged/dried/smoked sausage.

And thanks for letting me know I wasn't completely imagining things! . . . I really don't trust my memory much anymore. :( :( :(

[Abra]

Rob, the mole salami is one of my favorites. I love Salumi, and was just looking at some pictures of when we had lunch there. I used to make a lot of salami and prosciutto at home too, but living in France makes it so not worthwhile! I envy you your yummy snacks.

I'm trying hard not to break the spell: so far I've stayed under 100 all day long, an absolute first. This thing really seems to work.

[reefedjib]

Abra, yeah I love the mole. But it isn't new to me so I am waiting on it. I finished half of the Smoked Paprika (it comes as two smaller salamis) and am now into the Oregano, a new salami by them. It is really good as well, of course, but very different.

My numbers have been cra p all day - I got off the diet again.

[Abra]

Well, just for fun, if you really want to see your numbers plummet, give this a try. It's actually not bad, just takes a little planning. Honest, I have never since Dx seen my numbers like this, and I feel absolutely fine.

[ShottleBop]

I forgot to check before lunch. We went to the diner across the street. I had an Ortega burger (no bun, but with jalapeno jack, an Ortega chile, and bacon) and a side salad (no croutons). Two-hour PP was 93. Two and a half hours after that, I was at 94. Average for the day so far: 91. :cool:

[Abra]

Dr. Bernstein, I think I love you. I realize that we've only been friends for 4 days so far, but it definitely has the potential to be a long term relationship. You're so good for me! In those 4 days my weight has dropped 3 1/2 pounds, and my numbers have been beautiful. Yesterday I spent the entire day under 100, to wit:

Arising 86
Breakfast +2 hrs 97
Before lunch 85
Lunch + 2 hrs 89
Before dinner 80
Dinner + 2 hrs 92

Dinner last night was omelet with goat cheese, green beans with lots of crispy bacon tossed in, and a couple of slices of perfectly ripe tomato with basil from the garden, after which my husband said "Can we eat like this every night?"

Am I tempting anyone else to join in?

[reefedjib]

Dinner last night was omelet with goat cheese, green beans with lots of crispy bacon tossed in, and a couple of slices of perfectly ripe tomato with basil from the garden, after which my husband said "Can we eat like this every night?"

Am I tempting anyone else to join in?

Awesome numbers Abra! About that omelette...what kind of goat cheese?

I am cooking (!) an omelette right now, with sausage and cheddar cheese. Hopefully I'll see similar numbers, in my current range.

Waking FBG - 149

[ShottleBop]

My brother-in-law's three daughters are in town this weekend, so we took them out to dinner at one of our favorite Mexican places. I passed on the tortilla chips and the hand-made corn tortillas, fresh off the griddle. I had scallos sauteed in garlic butter and mushrooms, and asked them to substitute a salad for the rice that normally comes with the meal. I had some of the grilled beef from a niece's beef fajita plate, and some of my son's chicken breast from his Pollo Veracruzano. Back at home, I added a small handful of walnuts and a half-ounce of unsweetened baking chocolate. Total carbs, 12-15.

Before dinner, BG was 95; two hours later, it was 91. This morning, FBG was 88.

[reefedjib]

Dinner last night was omelet

I am cooking (!) an omelette

Speaking of omelets, when you cook an omelet, do you stir the beaten egg mixture to fluff up the egg, or do you let it cook undisturbed so it is thin? I fluff it up, always have. Just wondering.

[Abra]

I whip the eggs with a fork and add a splash of cream to them, to keep the curd tender. Then I use the "lift the edges and let the liquid egg run under the cooked egg" technique, as opposed to stirring as it cooks.

I used the log chevre, which is nice and soft and melts well. I often toss in snippets of herbs from the garden, but in the 6-12-12 you even count the carbs in herbs, and I wanted to put my carbs elsewhere last night.

You guys are doing great, it's nice to have company!

[Granny Shanny]

I don't leave my omelets undisturbed, because I'm not happy if the bottom begins to brown/overcook. I use quite a low heat & keep moving it around - usually just by shaking the skillet.

And yeah - I add cream as well. Always used milk before, but since D, the cream is better for me & it makes SUCH a smooth splendid omelet! I also season with a healthy splash of tabasco sauce or a judicious sprinkle of ground red pepper & garlic salt.

[fgummett]

Sorry to go :topic:
but I like to "mix it up"... literally AND figuratively... I eat eggs very often and sometimes I'll mix the omelette almost into a scramble while other times I'll leave the eggs pretty much undisturbed so you get chunks of cooked yolk and whites.. just for some variety of taste and texture. :egg:

Yes on the cream and I also often use some Parmesan cheese. :eating:

[reefedjib]

I whip the eggs with a fork and add a splash of cream to them, to keep the curd tender. Then I use the "lift the edges and let the liquid egg run under the cooked egg" technique, as opposed to stirring as it cooks.

I used the log chevre, which is nice and soft and melts well. I often toss in snippets of herbs from the garden, but in the 6-12-12 you even count the carbs in herbs, and I wanted to put my carbs elsewhere last night.

You guys are doing great, it's nice to have company!

I don't leave my omelets undisturbed, because I'm not happy if the bottom begins to brown/overcook. I use quite a low heat & keep moving it around - usually just by shaking the skillet.

And yeah - I add cream as well. Always used milk before, but since D, the cream is better for me & it makes SUCH a smooth splendid omelet! I also season with a healthy splash of tabasco sauce or a judicious sprinkle of ground red pepper & garlic salt.

Sorry to go :topic:
but I like to "mix it up"... literally AND figuratively... I eat eggs very often and sometimes I'll mix the omelette almost into a scramble while other times I'll leave the eggs pretty much undisturbed so you get chunks of cooked yolk and whites.. just for some variety of taste and texture. :egg:

Yes on the cream and I also often use some Parmesan cheese. :eating:

All three of you use cream! I didn't have any or I would have used it - I've used it before.

We got one "lift the edges and let the liquid egg run under the cooked egg"
We got one "shaking the skillet"
We got one "leave the eggs pretty much undisturbed"
Finally, we got two "mix the omelette almost into a scramble" (including myself)

That's a lot of style and variety! The great thing about "scrambling" the egg is that it produces a thick omelet. You don't want to scramble until the uncooked egg disappears or it will fall apart. You have to stop while it is still moist. This is the one true way! YMMV! :egg: (I love this graphic!)

I don't know what to make of the tabasco comment... :eek:

[Granny Shanny]

Tabasco goes in everything except dessert over here! :D :D :D

If you wanna taste some heat, give it a good dose. If you just wanna add character to your dish, a coupla dashes will do it without adding heat.

Sometimes I use both tabasco & wooster sauce . . .

[foxl]

Count me in -- I too add cream! Cream seems almost more maligned, than butter, and it adds SO much!

I often make leftover veggie omelets or scrambles, by design or ;) luck, and if you add cream and some well-selected herbs or spices you might as well be eating a gourmet, well-planned meal ...

[reefedjib]

Tabasco goes in everything except dessert over here! :D :D :D

If you wanna taste some heat, give it a good dose. If you just wanna add character to your dish, a coupla dashes will do it without adding heat.

Sometimes I use both tabasco & wooster sauce . . .

I used to eat lots of Tabasco in the Army...the food needed it, believe me!

I love tabasco and "wooster" sauce in Bloody Marys. **** those are good!

[reefedjib]

Count me in -- I too add cream! Cream seems almost more maligned, than butter, and it adds SO much!

I often make leftover veggie omelets or scrambles, by design or ;) luck, and if you add cream and some well-selected herbs or spices you might as well be eating a gourmet, well-planned meal ...

Excellent, Linda. But what is your technique for cooking an omelette? "Raise the edges"? "Shake the skillet"? "Left undisturbed"? "Scrambled"? Something else?

I don't do it much myself, since I rarely cook, but a leftover omelet can be delicious!

[foxl]

Excellent, Linda. But what is your technique for cooking an omelette? "Raise the edges"? "Shake the skillet"? "Left undisturbed"? "Scrambled"? Something else?

I don't do it much myself, since I rarely cook, but a leftover omelet can be delicious!

Technique? LOL ... half @$$ed is what mine are. Like I said, omelettes or scrambled by design ofr by luck!
Okay well give nthe choices, BEST left undisturbed is probably the best fit.

[reefedjib]

I'm doing pretty well today. I have had two meals in a row within limits.

For breakfast:
sausage and cheese 3 egg omelet
diet juice
carbs 4g

For lunch:
small greek salad (lettuce, tomato, olives, onion, feta, dressing)
large chili with cheese
Quad Grande Breve Latte
carbs 12g

Numbers:
Before breakfast - 149
Bolus - 3 units
After breakfast - 156
Before lunch - 127
After lunch - 161

:D:D:D

[PrettynPurple]

i like crushing peanuts, coating chicken in it and frying it up

in fact i think i'll do that tonite

[Granny Shanny]

i like crushing peanuts, coating chicken in it and frying it up

in fact i think i'll do that tonite

Hey! I like that idea! Bet it works with pecans & other nuts too, wouldn't it?

[foxl]

Granny I make almond and walnut pie crusts so sure it'd work with them ...

Oooh, I bet I could dip tofu in chili-soy sauce, then peanuts ... Bye -- catch ya after dinner! :D

[ShottleBop]

Dinner tonight: mixed greens with pepperoncini, pepperoni, and some horseradish cheddar, a half-ounce of unweetened baking chocolate, a packet of almonds, and a sugar-free jello. Maybe 6 grams of carbs for the salad, and 9 or so for the chocolate and almonds (subtracting half the fiber). Before dinner: 95. Two hours later: 84.

[reefedjib]

Today's full menu:

For breakfast:
sausage and cheese 3 egg omelet
diet juice
carbs 4g

For lunch:
small greek salad (lettuce, tomato, olives, onion, feta, dressing)
large chili with cheese
Quad Grande Breve Latte
carbs 12g

For dinner:
Spinach salad (spinach, grape tomatoes, bulgarian feta, vinagrette)
10 slices of Oregano salami

Numbers:
Before breakfast - 149
Bolus - 3 units
After breakfast - 156
Before lunch - 127
After lunch - 161
Before dinner - 126
After dinner - 128

I'm psyched!

[Granny Shanny]

Before breakfast - 149
Bolus - 3 units
After breakfast - 156
Before lunch - 127
After lunch - 161
Before dinner - 126
After dinner - 128 Yippee! You're gettin' there! Hallelujah & congratulations!!!

[Abra]

Wow, Granny, what did you eat for dinner? That's a wonderful number!

Uh, and it makes me feel funny to call you Granny, since we might be the same age. Are you willing to share your real name? Mine's...you guessed it...Abra.

[Granny Shanny]

Those are ROB's numbers . . . I just copied them over instead of quoting them. So sorry for the confusion, but I was just SO HAPPY for Rob. This has really been hard for him!

(I had seafood chow mein for supper, and was 146 after, drat it!)

You may certainly call me Granny, or my real name Shanny (Shannon), but my guess is that I'm significantly older than you. Heck, I'll qualify for Medicare this spring! WooHoo! :D :D :D

[reefedjib]

Those are ROB's numbers . . . I just copied them over instead of quoting them. So sorry for the confusion, but I was just SO HAPPY for Rob. This has really been hard for him!

Well, then. get a load of this. My Before breakfast number today is 100!! :D:D:D Oh so close to getting into double digits; you can't get any closer!

[Abra]

Rob, that is awesome, awesome, awesome! It's cool how it works, and how fast it works, no? I know how happy you are, because I'm that happy too. And as a reward, may I suggest to you , and to everyone, this truly amazing pizza recipe Linda's Low Carb Menus & Recipes (http://genaw.com/lowcarb/deep_dish_pizza.html) It's so close to being real pizza, and I can't exactly figure out how it works, but even my husband was very happy to eat it, and best of all, 2 hours after dinner I was at 90, and that's right where I woke up this morning. You've got to try it!

My yesterday:

Rising 85
Breakfast +2 hrs 96
Before lunch 97
Lunch +2 hrs 103
Before dinner 79
Dinner + 2 hrs 90

And Shanny, it looks like I'm only 3 years behind you, so yeah, we're the same age. I'm not a granny though, and not ready to be one either!

[Granny Shanny]

You guys are totally awesome! I dunno how close I am to this already, but I think I may have to jump on the bandwagon.

Dropped another pound this week . . . today's weight marks 16# lost in 15 weeks.

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And that pizza is going on our menu right away, Abra!

[foxl]

Rob, this is GREAT to read -- your numbers are really coming down! Congrats!

[reefedjib]

Rob, this is GREAT to read -- your numbers are really coming down! Congrats!

Thanks Linda! I am pretty psyched and it's definitely a reason to keep it up. It works! This is only my second day on this diet. I actually got another BG=100 before lunch, after a Quad espresso with 2 sugars (how many carbs?) a couple of hours earlier. I had pork ribs for lunch that were delicious and my after is coming up in a half hour. I guess I should say YMMV! ;););)

[reefedjib]

Today's numbers so far:

Before breakfast - 100
After breakfast - 116
Before lunch - 100
After lunch - 110

Y'all remember when I was so happy to get myself below 200? Well now the whole purpose of my existence is to get below 100! :D

[Granny Shanny]

Today's numbers so far:

Before breakfast - 100
After breakfast - 116
Before lunch - 100
After lunch - 110

The whole purpose of my existence at this point is to get below 100! :D

Well . . . we could make a little wager that your FBG tomorrow morning will be . . . unless you've been bedeviled by DP like me. What say you? :D :D :D

(you know when your doc sees you, he's gonna say "who ARE you and what have you done with Rob?!")

[reefedjib]

Well . . . we could make a little wager that your FBG tomorrow morning will be . . . unless you've been bedeviled by DP like me. What say you? :D :D :D

(you know when your doc sees you, he's gonna say "who ARE you and what have you done with Rob?!")

Are you suggesting we start betting on what each other's FBG will be? I love it! Put me down for $10 on under.

What's DP?

She will be happy, but I bet she still won't give me the C-Peptide test (another $10!). I am going to tell her I'll pay for it out of pocket. I am taking 84 units of Lantus a day. I'm thinking two more units will earn me $10! :D:D:D

[Granny Shanny]

Oops, sorry. "She", not he.

DP = dawn phenomenon

Are you suggesting we start betting on what each other's FBG will be? I love it! Put me down for $10 on under.

What's DP?

She will be happy, but I bet she still won't give me the C-Peptide test (another $10!). I am going to tell her I'll pay for it out of pocket. I am taking 84 units of Lantus a day. I'm thinking two more units will earn me $10! :D:D:D

[Dis-N-Dat]

Yeah you Rob!!!!:dancing2: :marchmell :dancing2: :marchmell

Looks like you've won the battle & it's looking real good for the long term too. If you respond like I have, you'll find yourself very satisfied and craving free.

I'm very happy for you. :tee:

[reefedjib]

Thanks Dis-n-Dat!

and with little fanfare:

Before breakfast - 100
After breakfast - 116
Before lunch - 100
After lunch - 110
Before dinner - 90
After dinner - 122

I had Sashimi and Miso and Chicken Satay for dinner. I don't know why I jumped 32 pts. :confused: The Chicken Satay was not slathered in sauce. *shrug*

[ODAR]

Want to join?

I've been reading Dr. Bernstein's books, in which he advocates a diet of 6 gms of carbs for breakfast, 12 for lunch, and 12 for dinner, as a virtual cure for diabetic symptoms. As it turns out, Reefedjib was reading it at the same time, and so yesterday we decided to give the program a try, and use a thread here to talk about our experiences and hopefully find others who want to try this out with us.

I confess to having started yesterday, although I wasn't planning to, I just sort of tried it out for one meal then another, and before I knew it, I'd done Day 1. Here's how it went.

Arising 102
Breakfast + 2 hours 98
Before lunch 93
Lunch + 2 hrs 106
Before dinner 87
Dinner + 2 hours 97

This is the lowest daily average I've ever had since I started doing seriously low carb (but nothing like this low) about 5 weeks ago. I wasn't hungry at all, even though I'm usually hungry pretty much all the time. And my weight, which has stubbornly refused to budge at all for the past month was down 2 lbs this morning. I think this is going to help me!

Hi, I've just finished reading Bersteins book and have decided to try his diet as well. However a bit difficult to get all ingredients here in Australia so decided just to limit the carbs as directed and not follow his recipes. I actually started this on Friday and have found a big difference in my BG for the morning -its not so high like it used to be.. Also could be due to the weight regimen I have also started as per his suggestion.

[Granny Shanny]

Thanks Dis-n-Dat!

and with little fanfare:

Before breakfast - 100
After breakfast - 116
Before lunch - 100
After lunch - 110
Before dinner - 90
After dinner - 122

I had Sashimi and Miso and Chicken Satay for dinner. I don't know why I jumped 32 pts. :confused: The Chicken Satay was not slathered in sauce. *shrug*

And there it is!!! If I knew how to make it glow and blink, that's what I'd do! WooHoo!

(and I'm dying of envy that you got to have sushi & stuff . . .)

[Abra]

Welcome, ODAR. And Yay Rob! Me, I had a bunch of personal chef friends here all day, eating and drinking very immoderately. So fun! When they left I stuck myself and came up at 85, so I'm hoping that means I did well all day, although probably it reflects how much I drank, as opposed to how well I ate. One of them is diabetic, on Metformin and Byetta, and it was really interesting to see how differently she ate from me. Small amounts of everything, even fruit and sweets. I could never do that, one sugar molecule in my mouth and I'm done for. But she says the Byetta keeps her from being hungry at all.

Rob, it might have been the miso. I looked it up the other day because I love it too and IIRC it was actually pretty high in carbs.

[reefedjib]

And there it is!!! If I knew how to make it glow and blink, that's what I'd do! WooHoo!

(and I'm dying of envy that you got to have sushi & stuff . . .)

Thanks, Granny! ;)

You don't get sushi where you live?

Rob, it might have been the miso. I looked it up the other day because I love it too and IIRC it was actually pretty high in carbs.

Miso (http://www.calorieking.com/foods/calories-in-soups-miso-soup-prepared_f-Y2lkPTM2OTg4JmJpZD0xJmZpZD0xMTU1MDk.html) only has 5.3g carbs. Must have been something else.

[Abra]

So today, after going to bed last night at 91, I woke up at 110. I'm thinking that I was probably dehydrated from drinking a lot of alcohol yesterday during the party and not drinking enough water, since I'm reasonably sure that my carbs were very close to being in range, even though I couldn't count exactly. I didn't like that 110, though, I can tell you that.

[Granny Shanny]

Miso can be solely from soybeans, or it can be mixed with other grains. If your soup was made with paste made from wheat/barley/rice etc., it coulda caused a bigger spike than the carb count might indicate.

And yes, we have sushi here . . . one of the best high-end Japanese restaurants around. But that sticky rice is lethal to my BG! (and I have trouble combining sushi and portion control! lol!)

Thanks, Granny! ;)

You don't get sushi where you live?



Miso (http://www.calorieking.com/foods/calories-in-soups-miso-soup-prepared_f-Y2lkPTM2OTg4JmJpZD0xJmZpZD0xMTU1MDk.html) only has 5.3g carbs. Must have been something else.

[reefedjib]

And yes, we have sushi here . . . one of the best high-end Japanese restaurants around. But that sticky rice is lethal to my BG! (and I have trouble combining sushi and portion control! lol!)

That's why I get Sashimi. It's without the rice. I make sure to have Miso and a Salad so I am full.

[reefedjib]

I've lost 4 lbs in the past week! I started at 230 and am now at 226. I am exercising 1 day/week for 30 mins. I started the 6-12-12 plan 3 days ago.

[Abra]

Wow, Rob, good job! Are you finding that you don't get hungry between meals?

[matingara]

hi abra!

glad you have joined up and are trying this plan.

i too have lost all the weight i want to lose. i mix up my diet a bit (i have included some fruit).

but i am pretty much 6-12-12. but i can do over and under and stay the same weight. my bgl is pretty good to. mostly between 72 and 108.

but i do use insulin now. just to make life easier and to keep me more quicjly in balance when needed...

:)

-- Joel.

[reefedjib]

Wow, Rob, good job! Are you finding that you don't get hungry between meals?

It's funny, I was a little hungry yesterday, but it was bearable until dinner. Part of this is ensuring that I am eating enough. The other part of it may well be that by cutting carbs, my hunger isn't "turned on" to the degree it used to be. How are you finding it?

How are your numbers?

Here are today's numbers:
Before breakfast - 119
After breakfast - 125
Before lunch - 107
After lunch - 112
Before dinner - 120
After dinner - 159

I slipped up for dinner. I went to Chick-fil-a and got 2 Chicken sandwiches and a medium fruit cup. I took the bread off the sandwiches and ate the chicken. I ate about half the fruit cup, skipping the apples. Carbs were 29g. No bolus.

I have the OneTouch software and I download my meter data into it. It has, among others, a Glucose Trend chart which displays two weeks of Glucose measurements. It has a grey band from 90 to 140 to show target. Most of my numbers were fairly high until the night of 8/22 when I started really low-carbing. All the numbers drop into that band since, except for tonight's After Dinner number. :) :(

[Abra]

I've had not the best two days. Yesterday there was an all-day party at my house, where I did my best with the carbs but did drink rather a lot. And today I was hungry off and on, which makes me think that there were more carbs than I'd thought in the foods prepared by others. Also I didn't walk yesterday, because of the party. Actually, the day before I had walked 3.2 miles of hilly road, which kicked my butt but good, in preparation for one day of no walking. But then today I didn't walk again, which was just laziness. Both days there were reasons why I couldn't test 6 times.

Yesterday:
Arising 90
Breakfast +2 hrs 101
Before dinner 85
Dinner +2 hrs 91

Today:
Arising 110
Lunch + 2 hrs 104
Before dinner 95
Dinner + 2 hrs 107

I really feel like I'm seeing the effect of not walking. Not that those numbers are terrible, but they're not as nice as they were a couple of days ago. But tomorrow I'll walk the 2 miles down to my workout, then work out for an hour. That ought to fix me right up.
I do an Excel spreadsheet that charts automatically, and I too see a dip from the moment I started with this, although not as dramatic as yours, because I was already doing my own version of low carb. But my 7 day average right now is 96. and I think that's respectable.

You should try that pizza recipe I linked to a day or so ago, then I'll bet you won't even be tempted by fast food!

[kmac]

Thanks you guys. I have been following Bernstein since dx almost 2 years ago but lately I'be been getting lax and eating quitre a few foods not on the list because I had convinced myself that my meter said it was ok. Probably I could have done so occaisionally but I went overboard I think. Your numbers have inspired me to be more strict. I have been struggling with DP a lot lately. This morning FBS 5.1-(around 92 I think) -huge improvement. I'm getting on board too.

Kathi

[ShottleBop]

Breakfast this morning: almond milk and a low-carb protein shake (feeling not as hungry as normal, so no walnuts). I started the day at 97; two-hour PP was 103, and pre-lunch, shortly before 1:00, was 104 (stable all morning).

Lunch: we were working through, and the group ordered from a local Chinese restaurant. I usually pass on this, because it's hard to find reliably low-carb Chinese food unless you're at the place and can talk to the waiter. I wanted to be more social today, though, so I went online and looked at the menu. I thought seared scallops over greens and braised green beans would be OK. The scallops came lightly breaded, but I ate them anyway (just five scallops, and it was such a light dusting of bread, I thought it would be OK).

At 90 min PP, BG was 135; I hadn't been over 130 since mid-May.

Fortunately, BG came back down to 114 by the 2-hour mark.

Pre-dinner, just before 8, BG was 93. I had a salad of mixed greens, green olives, sliced cheese, a hard-boiled egg, salami, and roast beef, a half-bag of pork rinds, a half-ounce of unsweetened chocolate, and a single raspberry, washed down with a glass of red wine. I did some work with hand weights, some squats, and some leglifts. Just now, about an hour and three-quarters after starting dinner, BG is 86.

[reefedjib]

The daily summary. :) Nice numbers, ShottleBop!

Personally, I had a horrible day. I missed BG readings and I ate carbs at dinner, I have no idea how many.

Breakfast: Cheese omelet, 2 sausage patties, water
Lunch: (Thai restaurant) Tom Yum w/ Chicken and Shrimp, Dried Beef appetizer, Duck in Red curry w/o rice, water
Dinner: (Indian restaurant) Kebab Thali platter w/o rice, w/o pudding, Keema Nan, water

Before breakfast - 152!
After lunch - 172!
Before dinner - 114
After dinner - 248!!!!!!!!

No exercise, but sore as hel.l from last night's anaerobic workout. My butt is sore from lunges! That's all folks. Better day tomorrow!

[Abra]

Eating out is so hard on this! I was invited to a (ladies) luncheon yesterday with a fixed menu: quiche, salad, dessert. I told them in advance that I'd bring my own food and just eat salad, but the salad was already dressed, and a quick trip to the kitchen proved that the dressing had sugar in it. So my entire lunch was two chicken thighs. I was feeling kind of virtuous at the time, but today I'm discouraged. My numbers for yesterday, after one full week on 6-12-12, with about 98% compliance:

Arising 100
Breakfast +2 hrs 93
Before lunch 97
Lunch + 2 hrs 101
Before dinner 94
Dinner + 2 hrs 98

I'd call those numbers good, but not stellar. Nothing in the 80s like I saw the first couple of days on this regime. During this week I walked at least 11 miles, plus worked out with weights twice. My weight dropped 2 lbs the first day, and that's where it's stayed ever since.

I can't eat less, and I can't exercise more. I want better numbers on the meter and on the scale. I'm feeling a bit sorry for myself and more than a bit cranky!

[Abra]

I'm wondering if I can and should keep this up. My numbers have been slowly creeping back up, and my weight refuses to creep down. It totally sucks to be doing this when I'm not seeing results! Yesterday's numbers:

Arising 111
Breakfast +2 hrs 104
Before lunch 110
Lunch + 2 hrs 126
Before dinner 91
Dinner + 2 hrs 99

Woke up this morning at 115.

That 126 yesterday was the result of having a little too much salad for lunch. A little too much salad. Not anything extravagant, like a piece of fruit. Only too much lettuce. It just makes me cry.

Has anyone who does low carb seen an initial drop in numbers, followed by a gradual uptick? What could cause that? If I weren't leaving for France in 5 days I'd probably be calling my Dr. to ask for Metformin, because this is really too hard, but that's not feasible at this point. I'm baffled.

[ShottleBop]

Abra, for many of us, it's kind of like a roller coaster. I'll have a week or two when I'm in the 80-100 range (I even had a day for which my average BG was under 90 (a day, and a run of a few days when my high for the day was 103 or 104), but then I'll hit a period during which the same foods will cause me to run several points higher. This past week, I've had a hard time getting below the mid-90s, and I've had one reading over 130--the first in three months. (Seared scallops from a Chinese restaurant that came with some kind of bready coating that was too thin to scrape off.) My monthly averages for the past 8 months have run anywhere from the mid-90s to 99. (I'll post some examples later; right now, SugarStats is down for maintenance.)

Stress (at home or at work), infections, other hormonal fluctuations, and the like can affect your BGs, as well.

Regarding lettuce: don't forget about the Chinese restaurant effect--eating enough of anything, no matter how low carb (even something indigestible, like sawdust), can raise your blood sugar (sometimes dramatically). The upper part of the small intestine contains cells that release hormones into the bloodstream whenever they are stretched (for instance, after a large meal). It can cause your blood sugar can go up dramatically, even if you haven't exceeded your carb allotment for that meal.

[Abra]

One other thing I've thought of is that I've run out of Vitamin D in the past few days. I'm going to get some more now, as that's really the only thing that's changed. That, and the stress of an international move in just a few days. And not sleeping too well. I might also try the Alpha lipoic acid people are talking about on another thread.

But thanks, ShottleBop, it's reassuring to know that someone else has unexplained variation. I'm still depressed, but somewhat reassured. I'm trying so **** hard, I want to see results!

[ShottleBop]

You'd be surprised at how much an effect stress can have. Easily 10-15 points. (On weekends I don't work, my BGs tend to be much better than on weekdays!)

[mcleanwick]

Granny I make almond and walnut pie crusts so sure it'd work with them ...

Oooh, I bet I could dip tofu in chili-soy sauce, then peanuts ... Bye -- catch ya after dinner! :D
Sounds yummy. How do you make almond and walnut pie crusts? Just grind them and throw them in a pie pan or do you add something to them?

[foxl]

Grind up the nuts, and add butter ... and a scoop of (artif. sweetened) whey protein (?casein works kind like in Elmers Glue? :) ).

It's 1/2 c. nuts, grind them fine but not a paste, 2 TBS buttah, and 1/4 c whey powder. I have one recipe that skips the whey and it works.

Press firmly into pan -- can use pie pan, or I used a square pyrex pan to good effect.

[yannah]

hello kick *** people. been catching up on this thread.

you people rock.

abra, don't give up! don't get frustrated. you will always be tweeking. and that is okay!

[ShottleBop]

Just for comparison purposes, Abra, these are my daily averages, minimums, and maximums for the last week of June. My average for the month was 97 (sorry about the difficulty in reading this, I tried to put in columns, and they show up that way when I type, but all the spaces disappear when I post):

Date: In Range * Average Low High

Tue, Jun 30 100% 98 mg/dL 87 mg/dL 112 mg/dL
Mon, Jun 29 100% 91 mg/dL 63 mg/dL 102 mg/dL
Sun, Jun 28 100% 89 mg/dL 78 mg/dL 103 mg/dL
Sat, Jun 27 100% 89 mg/dL 81 mg/dL 99 mg/dL
Fri, Jun 26 100% 92 mg/dL 82 mg/dL 105 mg/dL
Thu, Jun 25 100% 100 mg/dL 87 mg/dL 120 mg/dL
Wed, Jun 24 100% 95 mg/dL 66 mg/dL 110 mg/dL

These are my numbers for the past week:

Date In Range Average Low High

Thu, Aug 27 100% 99 mg/dL 76 mg/dL 114 mg/dL
Wed, Aug 26 100% 99 mg/dL 88 mg/dL 120 mg/dL
Tue, Aug 25 88% 103 mg/dL 86 mg/dL 135 mg/dL
Mon, Aug 24 90% 101 mg/dL 90 mg/dL 125 mg/dL
Sun, Aug 23 92% 104 mg/dL 84 mg/dL 121 mg/dL
Sat, Aug 22 100% 96 mg/dL 83 mg/dL 108 mg/dL
Fri, Aug 21 100% 93 mg/dL 82 mg/dL 103 mg/dL

I can't tell you why my numbers were worse this week than they were the last week in June. I'm not eating any differently. Even with all that fluctuation, though, my average for this month is still 99. You have to recognize that you're in this for the long haul, and day-to-day variances will happen. Long-term trends, when you can identify them, are important, but they take a while to identify.

______
* "In range" for me means between 60 and 120.

[ADSOFT]

Ok, I've been bringing moms BG down by cutting carbs every morning. I haven't really been tracking carbs at lunch because she was just eating salads and tuna, no bread carbs.

Since I was brought up on counting calories not grams I didn't really pay attention to the 6-12-12 number when I saw it.

I have been limiting carbs at breakfeast and dinner. So I was sort of leading to a 12-12-6 approach to try to limit her FBG.

I was surprised to see the 6-12-12 and it occurred to me that I was approaching in the wrong direction. I haven't had a time to read the book.

My question is:

Why would a 6-12-12 be better than a 12-12-6?


... Mom's FBG is around 120-130, after lunch I have her at 102-99. Same prior to dinner. The FBG is what has been killing me.

Is a 6-12-12 better with FBG???

[ShottleBop]

Many diabetics have a more difficult time dealing with carbs in the morning. We find, for example, that fruits that we can eat for dinner without a spike DO cause a spike if we eat them for breakfast.

[ADSOFT]

Many diabetics have a more difficult time dealing with carbs in the morning. We find, for example, that fruits that we can eat for dinner without a spike DO cause a spike if we eat them for breakfast.

Yep, my mom made the mistake of making herself a fresh fruit cocktail, temendous spike.

I'm reluctand to give her a large dinner because of her FBG, she likes to eat small at dinner.


I have to try fruit on evening to see what happens. Never know, might cure the FBG thing.

[ShottleBop]

OK, so after a run of days during which my daily averages were 104, 101, 103, 99, and 99, I've had a run of days for which my averages have been 94, 91, 93, and 93. My daily highs have gone from 121, 125, 135, 120, and 114 to 107, 106, 101, and 105--and I've had no more than two 100+ readings on any day of the past four.

[Abra]

ShottleBop, that's great! I've had the opposite effect, with numbers in the 102-120 range, even though I've been faithfully sticking to the carb limits. However, we're leaving this morning for France, so the stress level has been fairly high, as we'll be there for probably a couple of years and moving is a huge PITA when it's for that long.

I have a big bag of nuts for the plane and the first day or so once we get there, but I'm fairly worried about how to implement this diet in France. Wish me luck, and see you all in a few days when we get our Internet link re-established.

[ShottleBop]

Best of luck! We spent a couple of years in Hong Kong ('84 and '85), and had a great time.