*grumble*

[jer.lawrence]

So, I went to Wendy's for dinner and got a Double Jr. BaconCheeseburger. I took it off of the bun and put it on one of those Arnold Sandwich thins. I didn't get fries, but instead opted to steam some broccoli to have on the side.. maybe a cup's worth. I drizzled lemon over the broccoli to add flavor. I didn't test before the meal.

About an hour and a half after, I'm at 141!!

I think those sandwich thins may be a no-go for me. :( It sure was good, though.

[e||ement]

maybe it's just me...but i don't think 141 is that bad at all!

that's 7.8 mmol/l. i aim for under 8mmol/l at my 2-hr pp.

[Josselyn]

Uh oh...I was afraid the Sandwich Thins might be too good to be true. I'd hoped for the occasional sandwich without pain. :o Just bought four packages...one in each flavor. What can I say? They were on sale, and sounded great.

I'd better approach them with caution, and test before and after so I'll know their effect on me. Funny how so many of us have BG tolerances to different foods, where others do not.

Let's hope it was a fluke, Jeremy. Maybe your BG was a bit elevated to begin with, or something. Although, for a bread meal, 141 isn't bad...as long as it didn't stay up there too long.

I'll keep y'all posted when I have mine tomorrow.

[notme]

Perhaps your blood sugar was high before your meal Jeremy. Try again and make sure before your meal that your blood sugar wasn't high from something that you ate for lunch or just earlier in the day. I had one of those sandwich thins the other night when I made portabella mushroom burgers. My blood sugar was ok before hand and I bolused for the 21 carbs in the thins. I did ok at the two hour mark. They definitely are not low carb, just less than a normal hamburger bun. I checked whole wheat buns and they were 31 carbs and the Orowheat thins were 21.

[jer.lawrence]

That is possible. I'm down to 3 strips, so I didn't want to test too much.

It got up to 167! I did also have two pieces of the Dove Dark Chocolate RIGHT before I got the 141 reading, so those are probably what lead to the 167.

I promptly went outside and took about a 2 mile walk, waiting to test again in about 15 more minutes. I sure hope it's come down. 167 is the highest I've been in like a month.

[jer.lawrence]

Back down to 120. Eesh, that was bothersome. :P

[notme]

Good for you! Way to take control of things. I hate that people need to ration strips. :mad:

[HealthierMe]

Jeremy, you know 140 would be an okay number after a meal for a person who DOESN'T have diabetes. I admire all that exercise. I'd only walk that much if it were air conditioned and I could stop to buy things. :)

chill. you're doing fine. but i'd skip the bacon and american cheese cause of the cholesterol. that's just me.

also i've only been having bread when my pre numbers are under 105. And I make open face sandwiches on whole wheat. don't miss the other slice. now if I could just wean myself from the occasional fried fish I'd be fine too!

[retired60]

I see nothing wrong with those numbers. Enjoy and don't worry about it.

[jer.lawrence]

Good for you! Way to take control of things. I hate that people need to ration strips. :mad:
I don't typically. I just have a Dr's appointment today, so I was going to get him to write me a prescription today. I was trying to hold off on buying more. I ended up using them all last night and had to stop by the store and get more this morning without the prescription anyway. Hehe, oh well. I'll remedy that this afternoon!

Jeremy, you know 140 would be an okay number after a meal for a person who DOESN'T have diabetes. I admire all that exercise. I'd only walk that much if it were air conditioned and I could stop to buy things. :)
It turned out to be GORGEOUS last night, it was about 61 degrees outside, full moon, scattered clouds. I'm considering walking at that time more often, it was so nice.

I see nothing wrong with those numbers. Enjoy and don't worry about it.
Thank you! I know 167 wasn't too bad considering how high it COULD be. It was just a little intimidating since that's the highest I've been since I got my numbers in control.

Thanks for the replies guys! Still a little higher than normal this morning, but nothing worth worrying about. Hope you all have a good day. :)

[art]

141 isn't too bad.
Enjoy the meal as long as it's once in a while

Art

[jer.lawrence]

So, I grilled a cheeseburger on the grill tonight and had it (and nothing else) on one of those Arnold Sandwich Thins. Shot me from 94 up to 171!

Never again. I've officially learned my lesson, and do now realize that it is these sandwich thins that seem to be spiking me.

[erik316]

Sara Lee makes a hamburger bun in the same line of their 45 calorie breads i think it is a total carb of 13 and net of 11

[princesslinda]

Sara Lee makes a hamburger bun in the same line of their 45 calorie breads i think it is a total carb of 13 and net of 11

I have just tried this bread recently, and it is great. 13 carbs for 2 slices of bread. I had a burger on the toasted bread recently with no problems.

[Josselyn]

So, I grilled a cheeseburger on the grill tonight and had it (and nothing else) on one of those Arnold Sandwich Thins. Shot me from 94 up to 171!

Never again. I've officially learned my lesson, and do now realize that it is these sandwich thins that seem to be spiking me.

Over 70 points...for a small amount like that? Wow, Jeremy, that bread can be deadly. :eek: I guess I'd better approach with caution (I put them in the freezer after your first post about it.)

If I'm gonna risk a spike like that, it had better be something I can't live without...and there isn't much that qualifies for that category.

BUT, as an aside, I sometimes eat pita bread sandwiches (in a pinch on the road) from DeAngelo's, but make sure that I have a lot of steak or turkey in proportion to the veggies and bread...and mayo...and that ratio seems to smooth out what might have been an enormous spike otherwise. I seldom jump more than 35 points or so as a result (about 145). I seldom do it, but it's been pretty consistent. A "pokket" there is usually a small. I buy a medium sub for the extra ounces of protein, and have them put it in a pokket instead.

Perhaps you need to balance out the carb with more protein and fat? A double cheeseburger (no catsup)?
I guess I really wanted that Arnold's sandwich thin bread to not be the BoogeyMan...

It's like being a walking chemistry experiment; isn't it? :confused:
Thanks for sharing your experiences.

[jer.lawrence]

YOu make a good point, I did also add ketchup to the burger -- that was it, though. I didn't measure out exactly one serving, so it's possible it could have been more.

That could have thrown it off a little bit.

The strange thing is, I've had burgers before (NOT on the thins, but on a regular Wendy's bun, or on one of those Nature's Own Whitewheat buns without nearly as much trouble.

Thanks for the responses. I'm not saying those sandwich thins aren't good.. they just aren't good for ME, apparently.

[jer.lawrence]

FINAL updates, I found out pretty conclusively tonight that it was the sandwich thins. I had about the same number of carbs for dinner tonight (maybe 25g or so) but I had them in mashed potatoes and tortilla chips. I only got up to 119 at my peak (testing every half hour).

I feel much better knowing that it isn't something worse. And, I just won't eat any more of those sandwich thins. :P

Also, I'm glad that I can eat mashed potatoes (in moderation). hehe.

Thanks for all you guys responses.

[Josselyn]

I'm living dangerously here, Jeremy. :D

I took the top half of one of the multi-grain Sandwich Thins, toasted it, and slathered it with Omega-3 Crunchy Peanut Butter yesterday for my first meal of the day. My very first peanut butter toast since dx...my favorite breakfast meal in the past.

Although that was technically breakfast, it was also nearly noon when I ate it. Slept in 'til almost 11. :o Since I'm v-e-r-y carb sensitive in the AM, I had no idea how my BG would respond to this...but I usually have breakfast much earlier - about 7 AM.

Anyway, here are my results:

BG upon eating (FBG): 102
BG at 90 min. pp: 126
BG at 2 hrs pp: 114
BG by 2 hrs, 30 min pp: 100

I'm certain the peanut butter had much to do with how I responded to the bread. Acceptable results, but not for every day.

I'll have to try it again, but much earlier to determine if it's a viable breakfast alternative on a work day or just a weekend breakfast treat.

[jer.lawrence]

Nice, that doesn't sound too bad. I got roughly the same results with some peanut butter on some of those whole wheat saltine crackers a few days ago. (10g carbs per 5 crackers)

[eskimo]

maybe it's just me...but i don't think 141 is that bad at all!

that's 7.8 mmol/l. i aim for under 8mmol/l at my 2-hr pp.

I agree - I've been told if I could be under 160 2 hours after eating, that was OK.

[NewdestinyX]

Wow, Jer.. It sure seems the Sandwich Thins aren't for you. It seems like your tests are pretty conclusive. If it's any help -- I only ever use a half of one -- since I don't miss the top part of any bun anymore... Some days --not a peep and others a 30 point jump.. Boy it just goes to show you how the term YMMV really is true when it comes to food choice. I too have little problems with a small portion of mashed potatoes. But BOY does fruit send me thru the roof. I would agree that Sandwich Thins aren't for you.

If I were you and I would suggest this for any of us.. The Supplement r-ALA has been making a difference for everyone's that's tried it and reported it of late. VickiNC and MCS most recently. It seems they get a greater range of food choice on it too.

You are also on a minimal dose of Met too -- that's part of the equation in food spike levels. The Met puts a solid CAP on my highs for sure.. The only time I really cheated bad of late was at a church dinner recently and I had some Sarah Lee Chocolate cake for dessert and french fries with my meat for dinner.. You all know me and my 135-160 'normal' range -- well 1hrPP was 155 and 2hr pp was 163 and 3 hr (bedtime) was 141... So even when I eat 'like I used to' 1000mg of Met puts a cap of 160-165 on me.

[notme]

I often wonder if those burgers that fast food restaurants make are full of grain as well as beef. Does anyone know?

[plattb1]

Don't know about all of them, obviously. But, Wendy's says their single consists of: "Hamburger Patty Ground Beef. Seasoned with Salt." McDonald's website says "100% Beef Patty - 100% pure USDA inspected beef; no fillers, no extenders. Prepared with grill seasoning (salt, black pepper)."

[plattb1]

K ... update. Burger King also claims 100% ground beef patties.