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[thisstinks]

DIET SODA RAISES MY BG..NOT JUST A LIITLE...300-600.....OR IS IT IT MIMICING HIGH BG..
I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GO BELOW 150 WITHOUT FEELING SICK OR PASSING OUT..

FOR THE LAST WEEK I HAVE NOT GONE TO THE STORE TO GET ANY AND HAVE ONLY DRANK WATER..THIS LAST NIGHT I TESTED 87..DIDN'T TAKE ANY INSULIN..(AFRAID TO GO WAY LOW)FIGURED IT WOULD GO UP BY MORNING..NOPE..89..SO WHAT THE ****:confused:

SO MUCH FOR MY DOC TELLING ME TO DRINK DIET INSTEAD OF REGULAR..

THE ONLY ONE THAT KNOWS HOW YOU WORK IS YOU...TRUST NO DOCTOR,THEY WILL GET YOU KILLED

[Moonglo]

Just to make sure I read that right... you tested after drinking diet soda, and came back between 300 and 600? That's kinda a vast range. My initial reaction is wash your hands and try again. You never know when something you have touched might be high in sugar and skew your results.

[Gangrel]

I have never heard of anyone going high after a diet soda. Are you sure you're drinking diet?

[sarahspins]

I have never heard of anyone going high after a diet soda. Are you sure you're drinking diet?

Agreed... to go to 600 after drinking anything it would need to be about 24oz of juice or regular soda.

[shiftzor]

I think everyone has already posted answers to your problem and it has little to do with diet soda. Please stop shouting and urgently seek professional medical help. If it means you check yourself into hospital until your bg becomes normal again then do so. If your current doctor cannot provide you with answers then find another doctor who can!

You obviously haven't read a single response or attempted to tackle the real problem at hand. Only reason I am posting is for other people reading this thread to understand that the diet soda is not the problem instead you are not taking enough insulin.

Sorry for the lack of sympathy but you are heading into troll territory or you are desperately in need of medical assistance which no one on a forum can give.

[DanG]

THE ONLY ONE THAT KNOWS HOW YOU WORK IS YOU...TRUST NO DOCTOR,THEY WILL GET YOU KILLED

I agree - you can yell that mantra as many times and as often as you can.
The doctor that handled me in the hospital 35 years ago told me this. I believed him then - I still live by that. Sorry to offend any doctor - but I try to be abrupt and upfront with any doctor that is going to provide care - they can deal with us exceptional patients - they make much better money than most us, fwiw.

[Moonglo]

Thisstinks,

after revisiting some of your other threads, I have to agree that maybe it's time for you to find a new doctor. Obviously what your current doctor is advising you to do is not working, or you're not listening to them, or there's some other kind of underlying problem somewhere that is hurting your diabetes treatment. I have no idea which of the above it is, and I'm not attempting to speculate on such an issue, but coming here and venting, while a good thing to do as far as moral support is concerned, cannot and should not be used in place of seeking the advice of a doctor.

We want to be able to help you, really we do. But we can only do so much.

[thisstinks]

300-400 I MEANT OVER THE LAST NINE MONTH SINCE THEY SAID I WAS DIABETIC.. i kept asking them could it be false indications from meds or food...they kept saying no...for 9 months i went through all this bs because they said drink diet soda not regular..

i just had a big meal 1/2 hr ago and im at 134...any other day i would be 400+ with lots of insulin..and i have taken no insulin yet..

i'm sure alot of it has to do with bloodtype..meds ect ect..all that stuff docs should run you through before screwing up your life..:mad:

i kept telling these guys i don't have high gluc symptoms..but i tank out if i got below 150..abviously it causes false high reading in me..

[Moonglo]

Um, but if you've stayed pretty much at 300-400 over the last 9 months, then yes you do have extremely high bg, and you might not be noticing the symptoms if your body has adjusted to that type of bg and thinks that is normal. You're not having false high readings, you're experiencing false hypos when you get closer to normal numbers because you're used to staying high. We all go through it, but most of us grin and bear it until our body adjusts, which usually doesn't take more than a few days. If that long.

[shiftzor]

High bg will mess with your head, unlike other parts of your body it doesn't have a buffer or backup or storage mechanism. This means that your brain will be hit by every low or high bg effecting the chemical balance in your brain. If you are high for very long periods of time it can cause serious damage. I really suggest that you either take action right now by increasing your insulin doses in a controlled manor or if you do not feel capable to seek medical help. This is not a joke or a stupid game. Not all doctors are bad, yes we all have had bad experiences but just because one is clueless doesn't mean that every doctor is.

I want to help you but right now sitting on a forum on the internet I am powerless, its really up to you now. Good luck.

[xMenace]

Cause and effect are often very muddy. Repeat your tests at different times of the day. Then repeat again. You need to rule out everything else regardless of what it is you are testing.

[sarahspins]

abviously it causes false high reading in me..

'abviously' the whole diabetes thing is just a scam from big pharma to sell drugs.. :vroam:

Seriously though, if you are seeing readings of 600 from "just" diet soda, SOMETHING doesn't add up here. Sorry to call you on it, but that's just the truth... maybe it's user error with the meter. Maybe it's your OTHER food choices. Maybe you need an eye exam and you think you're buying diet when you're not.

Maybe you're buying "diet" orange crush not realizing it isn't sugar free... there are any number of possibilities.

[thisstinks]

knowing now that big pharma walks all over the fda..who knows what drug interactions cause anything anymore...

but for whatever reason..i am at 134..no insulin..just ate 1/2 ago...

[Moonglo]

What evidence do you have that the fda is being "walked all over?"

I'm glad your bg has gone down, and I hope it stays there or continues to improve. But these slanderous theories you are throwing around as blanket statements without backing them up are not helping anyone, yourself included. Even though there are a few doctors out there who may not be as good as the others for whatever reason, we as diabetics desperately need doctors to be able to take care of ourselves, especially when insulin or medication is involved. To sit there and say you refuse to get any kind of medical help because of a handful of bad experiences is absolutely unreasonable. Find a doctor you like and follow their instructions.

[DanG]

But these slanderous theories you are throwing around as blanket statements...

Slanderous statements are one thing - but when the plebes are dealing with a government - the issue of slander is inappropriate. If this attitude were around 235 years ago, 1776 would have never happened. As a fellow plebe under the control of an ever increasing government size - statements such as this regarding multinational pharma versus an ever increasing governmental control - slander does not apply - these are issues of reality and issues of liberty.

Hence, I say to thisstinks - grab the bull by the horns and do it yourself as much as possible. Obviously the ever over-arching control of the government in personal affairs requires that you obtain a prescription for insulin stuffs - but beyond that, you do the research and you do the personal experimentation, carefully, that will tell you about the function of insulins and other pharma you are ingesting. It is your life and you care more about your life than anyone ever will care. Doctors do not get paid enough to care about your life - their duty is to provide a modicum of care - but it is ultimately up to you to find out what works and to adjust as need be and to consult with people (on forums) and professionals (doctors), etc about what works with and against the various pharma in your life.

You will make it - there are plenty of us here that have dealt with much less information through the years and are still here and in good enough health to tell you that things do work out... sort of... Try living with one shot per day of lente insulin, testing with testape to see if sugars are spilling in your urine - like I did for 20 years, beginning 35 years ago. Hey - I'm still here, all limbs still functional, eyes still very functional, etc. You will make it - take that bull by the horns and wrestle it to submission.

[Moonglo]

Dan,

There is a difference between accusations that have evidence to support them versus those that where the person making the statement is not giving any information to back up what they are saying. I am not saying anyone should roll over and be a victim. What I am saying is that anyone who points fingers to that magnitude had better be ready to defend their side of the issue.

[thisstinks]

vioxx is a prime example..killed more people than most wars...fda just acepts big pharmas research unquestioned...look it up..merck ghostwriting
.there is nothing slanderous about the truth!

re;What evidence do you have that the fda is being "walked all over?"

I'm glad your bg has gone down, and I hope it stays there or continues to improve. But these slanderous theories you are throwing around as blanket statements without backing them up are not helping anyone, yourself included. Even though there are a few doctors out there who may not be as good as the others for whatever reason, we as diabetics desperately need doctors to be able to take care of ourselves, especially when insulin or medication is involved. To sit there and say you refuse to get any kind of medical help because of a handful of bad experiences is absolutely unreasonable. Find a doctor you like and follow their instructions.
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[fgummett]

What is this thread for and why is it in the Type 1 Diabetes forum? Your Signature suggests that you have now been re-diagnosed (again) as Type 2 but even so are you here to rant about Doctors, Big Pharma or to get some help with your BG control?

I do wish you would be clear as to your intent because I can then choose to avoid the ranting and raving but I am willing to offer suggestions to help with BG control where I can.

[jenb]

Ditto, Frank. It's hard to wade through this to find what assitance the OP wants or is willing to accept. Quite confounding.

Jen

[JoanW]

SO MUCH FOR MY DOC TELLING ME TO DRINK DIET INSTEAD OF REGULAR..

THE ONLY ONE THAT KNOWS HOW YOU WORK IS YOU...TRUST NO DOCTOR,THEY WILL GET YOU KILLED


You can't just say the Doctor is BAD because he told you to drink diet soda...he was only making a recommendation not an ORDER. You actually know the answer to this because you said in your quote "The only one that knows how you work is YOU", so therefore once you know diet soda riases your BG up so high, WHY on earth do you drink it?

Since YOU are the only person who knows YOU, why don't you apply that to your own treatment.....it has often been mentioned in these forums to EAT/DRINK by your meter. Once you see a certain food or drink makes your BG elevate to unacceptable standards, then DON'T drink or eat it again.

Normally a diet drink doesn't raise a person's BG that much, but maybe you are different...in fact you have proved that you are. I don't think you can say that these readings are mimicking high numbers, it seems you have repeated the test often enough to see that they really are raised that high.
Your test with drinking plain water has just about proved that.
The fact that you feel pretty wobbly below 150 is because it is so rarely achieved that your body has forgotten what it is like to have normal numbers. Once you get to having numbers within the acceptable range, you will lose that feeling of shakiness you get under 150. Take your own advice and treat yourself by using your meter to find out what you can eat and drink. That would be a great help for you and as you say, you are the one who knows!!!
It will be interesting to see further posts from you showing us what you can achieve, as you learn about your own body.
Good luck.

[DanG]

There is a difference between accusations that have evidence to support them versus those that where the person making the statement is not giving any information to back up what they are saying.

No disagreement.
However, the concept here is a concept of liberty, principally. The government has never been an entity that anyone should ever trust - see the writings of the forefathers in 1776. Once we roll over and trust the government - we are headed for disaster that is only known in the worst despotic regimes. The concept of information to back up what is being said is not pertinent regarding a government entity - that is the founding principle of this great experiment known as a democratic republic. The government never relinquishes what it takes - and the takings involved in today's government would make Thomas Jefferson and George Washington roll over in their graves.

We agree that this is not the gist of this thread. However, there is a pertinence regarding trust and liberty which we should allow in any discourse - not to the exclusion of the general direction of the thread, but as an alert to everyone participating and reading.

[Moonglo]

No disagreement.
However, the concept here is a concept of liberty, principally. The government has never been an entity that anyone should ever trust - see the writings of the forefathers in 1776. Once we roll over and trust the government - we are headed for disaster that is only known in the worst despotic regimes. The concept of information to back up what is being said is not pertinent regarding a government entity - that is the founding principle of this great experiment known as a democratic republic. The government never relinquishes what it takes - and the takings involved in today's government would make Thomas Jefferson and George Washington roll over in their graves.

We agree that this is not the gist of this thread. However, there is a pertinence regarding trust and liberty which we should allow in any discourse - not to the exclusion of the general direction of the thread, but as an alert to everyone participating and reading.


Dan,

So glad we are in agreement here. I concur that no one should trust anyone automatically to the point that their life, liberty, or happiness relies on the trustworthiness of other entities involved, beit government, insurance companies, fill in the blank however you choose. My goal was not to say that doctors can never be wrong and that the government is never corrupt. I was simply trying to point out that the op was making some pretty explosive statements and leaving them hanging, making our efforts to focus on helping op-er a little more difficult, as this was a little distracting.

The only thing you said here that I don't agree with is that evidence is not pertinent when commenting about a government entity- I say that any time accusations are made about any group or person, government or not, they need to be substantiated to a certain level, or we have mass hysteria for potentially no reason whatsoever. If the government is corrupt, do something about it; but convince me that it is corrupt before you ask me to join in. Am I making sense?

However, there is a real danger in allowing comments like "listening to your doctor will get you killed" to go unresponded, especially in an arena where so many people need to be able to rely on an experienced, sound medical opinion to help them avoid/prolong the onset of some pretty ugly complications. And the whole comment about the FDA being controlled by drug companies had nothing to do with the op's original issue, which made me feel like this person was just looking to start an uproar.

I apologize to any and all if I misread anything here, or if my responses were not clear. I try to think everything I say through thoroughly before posting, but it still doesn't always come out the way I mean it to.

Thisstinks, I am not meaning to go off topic or to speak about you in the third person in a negative way. I only want to be able to help you, as others here do. I truly hope you feel better soon, and that you figure out what your body needs to stay healthy.

[thisstinks]

I Have Mearly Reported What I Have Discovered..if You Want Or Don't Want To Believe It So Be It...

In The Interest Of Science A Drank More Diet Soda With Dinner...pushed Me Up To 476...
Sounds Pretty Cut And Dry To Me..

This Will Be My Last Post Since This Place Obviously Is Not Interested In Progress

[Granny Shanny]

Have you read the list of ingredients on that diet soda? I'd be interested in knowing what it says, as well as everything else you had for supper besides soda.

[telizas]

Honey, just because something is diet doesn't mean its sugar free. If you read as well as you type, perhaps thats the issue. I'm not trying to be snarky, but no matter what anyone here says, they are wrong. What exactly are you looking for here?

There is also this warning from the FDA (http://www.diabeteshealth.com/read/2009/08/24/6329/fda-issues-warning-about-test-strips-that-can-give-false-readings-lead-to-insulin-overdoses/) about test strips giving false readings after ingesting sugar substitutes. But, since you don't or won't believe it, I don't know what good it will do...

[Moonglo]

What did you have to eat for dinner? Just knowing what you drank does not give us enough information to help you figure this out.

[telizas]

Ditto Moonglo. If you had pixie stix, chocolate cake and a diet soda, the diet soda isn't going to be the cause of your high numbers! When you test, its not in a vaccum! It has to do with everything you consume! Even if it was a protein-only meal (and who really eats those??) your body will convert some of that protein to glucose.

If you truly want help, you could start by giving us more to work with.

[jenb]

What was your BG before your ate? You report that your BG level continually runs high, so I'm not particularly surprised at your post-meal reading. How many carbs did you have in addition to that soda? Did you bolus for your meal? Do you regularly take a basal dose of insulin? So many question, so few answers....

Jen

[telizas]

And when did you test? RIGHT after eating? 2 hours after? 4 hours after.

All this makes a difference.

[yannah]

I do not trust the FDA at all. I have really good reason not to.

if you read this neither will you.



Bitter Pill : Rolling Stone (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/25569107/bitter_pill)

[Bountyman]

"There is also this warning from the FDA about test strips giving false readings after ingesting sugar substitutes. But, since you don't or won't believe it, I don't know what good it will do..."

I just read that article. It said nothing about "diet" drinks. What it said was there were certain test strips that were reactive to the non-glucose sugars maltose, galactose, and xylose, which are contained in some therapeutic products. Quote: According to the FDA alert, "Non-glucose sugars contained in some therapeutic products, such as peritoneal dialysis solutions and certain immunoglobulins, can falsely elevate glucose results, which may prompt excessive insulin administration. Soft drinks in the United States use Aspartame and Sucralose. Diet Coke uses Sucralose and Diet Pepsi uses Aspartame.

[DanG]

[I]Soft drinks in the United States use Aspartame and Sucralose. Diet Coke uses Sucralose and Diet Pepsi uses Aspartame.

Neither Aspartame nor Sucralose are any good for a living body.
Eat real sweetener, and live with what you gotta do to manage. If it means more insulin - deal with it that way. Nobody in their right mind should put these idiot chemicals in to their body. Besides, it only makes money for an industry that is raping the public time and again - they don't need more money. My body is made of living material - I want to eat living material for my body made of living material. Sure, I gotta do the junk insulin that is made from ecoli, but that is what they shove down our syringes these days.

Run away from Sucralose, Aspartame, Nutrasweet - or any of those fake sweeteners. None of them satisfy any human body craving one bit. In fact, we are finding that honey completely satisfies - amazing. We are using honey for all our breads, pies, cakes these days and find one piece is good, but then we need no more, since the one sweet piece is satisfying - I think it is the honey.

[Bountyman]

I'm not hawking sugar substitutes. The point I was trying to make was this statement by telizas:

"There is also this warning from the FDA about test strips giving false readings after ingesting sugar substitutes. But, since you don't or won't believe it, I don't know what good it will do..."

In essence she's alluding to thisstinks use of diet sodas and their subsequent actions on his BG readings as the source, when in fact the article states that the caution is related to artificial sweeteners that are NOT in diet soft drinks but in some therapeutic products, such as peritoneal dialysis solutions and certain immunoglobulins. I think maybe you guys oughta digest this stuff a little longer before you respond...

[telizas]

I don't know what kind of diet drinks this person is talking about at all, since he won't answer any questions. One can make any number of drinks themselves with the listed sugar substitutes. (You can use Xylose to sweeten iced tea for example, is it can come in packets like Nutrasweet does.) Some local diet sodas that use cane sugar for their regular counterparts DO use maltose. I can walk up the street and get it, but since its locally brewed, you're not going to find it on the shelves at Walmart. So yes, you CAN get the listed sugars in diet sodas, it depends on the source.

Don't shoot the messenger, I'm only trying to help and give some direction here.

I think the OP is a yahoo. There is still the question of when he tested, what he ate, etc etc etc.

[Bountyman]

I'll hold him, you kick him! We'll get the truth out of him, yet! :)

[DanG]

I think maybe you guys oughta digest this stuff a little longer before you respond...

Nope - I won't be digesting any of that stuff - but I think you knew that. :)

I read what you said - I was merely stealing the concept to make a statement. I do not want any chemical sweeteners in any body - I think it is damaging to our body, and I think it makes some terribly bad businesses even worse. There is no need for sweeteners like these - they are not food, our bodies are made to digest food - we are living biological mechanisms that function using biological counterparts that are not chemical. We are real people, pure and simple - that is what I will hawk - don't digest that - merely acknowledge that there is a whole food quack along with you on this part of the forums. Now, on to the kickings - I'll scream - thisstinks said he is gone.

[Bountyman]

Yeah, yeah, I get it...no chemicals. Go through your store, pick up any item and it'll have chemicals in it, that's the way it is nowadays unless you eat strictly from your own farm. Right now I'm eating 20MG of Lipitor a day to deal with the other bad food I eat! :)

Eat stuff with chemicals in it, smoke, do drugs, drink, don't excercise, don't floss, stay up late, and it'll kill ya'!

Eat the right foods, drink filtered water, don't smoke, don't do drugs, don't drink alcohol, excercise, floss, go to bed early.....die anyway.

"Every man dies. Not every man really lives!" -Braveheart

[ODAR]

FDA issues ? Has no one on this forum viewed the link that was posted by someone on this forum " The Truth About Sugars"? I have viewed it and lo and behold the speaker actually said that the FDA won't warn or disclose to the Public about the "Bad Effects" of High Frutose Corn Syrup - why ? because it's America's BIGGEST EXPORT along with Entertainment and Weapons.:(