70/30

[Mdude]

Hi,

I'm new; I asked one question about the discontinuation of ultralente and lente. My other question concerns the effects of 70/30. I haven't been able to find out its timing characteristics, and why I'd want to take that as opposed to R-type regular insulin. Does anyone have any experience or information on it?

[duck]

Hi,

I'm new; I asked one question about the discontinuation of ultralente and lente. My other question concerns the effects of 70/30. I haven't been able to find out its timing characteristics, and why I'd want to take that as opposed to R-type regular insulin. Does anyone have any experience or information on it?

You'll find generally we think the mixed insulins are **** here (sorry to be so blunt). But to just come out and say it's **** for you is a little premature--Are you a Type 1 or Type 2? What kind of insulin(s) are you taking now, how much and when?

[Cinnabon]

Hello Mdude,
I have used 70/30 and did not get any good results from it. Reason being, if you think about it, How much of the R are you getting in a premixed solution?
My BS was all over the place with this insulin. With the R, you know exactly the amount you are getting. Have you tried Humalog or Novolog?

[jeggeman31]

You'll find generally we think the mixed insulins are ****


I agree with duck. I was on that stuff for just about a year and my A1C never fell below 8 or 9. It just does not work.

[Mdude]

Currently I use Humulin R for meals, and I take Humalog when I go into town or eat something sweet. I also used Humulin U for basal insulin, and with that regime, I kept my Hb1AC at 6 so it was controlled.

I just wondered about the 70/30 thing then. My doctor gave me a coupon for it last time I visited, but it was just as I was walking out, and I have prescription for it. So I figured that it was just one of those things the pharmaceutical companies give to doctors to hand out to patients to generate questions.

You've actually saved me some trouble then.

[duck]

Currently I use Humulin R for meals, and I take Humalog when I go into town or eat something sweet. I also used Humulin U for basal insulin, and with that regime, I kept my Hb1AC at 6 so it was controlled.

I just wondered about the 70/30 thing then. My doctor gave me a coupon for it last time I visited, but it was just as I was walking out, and I have prescription for it. So I figured that it was just one of those things the pharmaceutical companies give to doctors to hand out to patients to generate questions.

You've actually saved me some trouble then.

That's exactly what happened, I'm glad to see you were savvy enough to catch on to that--It's a shame that docs will just hand **** like that out because some pharmaceutical rep asked them to push a product.

[Belinda]

I did well when I took the 70/30 so I would have to disagree with the others but each of us is differrent. If your in good contol with what you have why change?

[Mdude]

Hi Belinda.

The only reason I was considering changing was because I have to go on something new anyway, since they're going to discontinue Humulin U. As I'm understanding it, 70/30 acts quickly, but just has a longer tail than regular R-type. Actually I need a basal, so I'm going to have to research Lantus and that other one that starts with an L. (Leverimil?)

[duck]

I did well when I took the 70/30 so I would have to disagree with the others but each of us is differrent. If your in good contol with what you have why change?

Troublemaker...


:eviltongu

[JediSkipdogg]

The biggest problem with the pre-mix insulins is they control you. Since you can't change how much long acting insulin you need (if you do you will have severe unexpected lows or highs) you have to give a certain amount every day. If you need 14 units of long acting insulin, that means you have to give 20 units of a 70/30 mix. THerefore if you give that at breakfast, you MUST east 6 units worth of carbs every day and no more and no less. So you are locked into what you have to eat, which is where the biggest disadvantage is.

[drewgolden]

My other question concerns the effects of 70/30. I haven't been able to find out its timing characteristics, and why I'd want to take that as opposed to R-type regular insulin. Does anyone have any experience or information on it?

Yes. Avoid it.

Problem is with overlapping of the slower acting insulin. If you take more than 2 shots a day, the mix will cause you great trouble.

You will have hypos all over the place. They will creep up unexpectedly and at the worst times possible. Anticipate poorer control, tons of snacking to correct, and lots of ambulance rides.

Stick with R and/or Humalog (or other fast acting.)

The mix probably sounded good in a marketing room somewhere, but in the field it just does not pan out very well.

drew

[Belinda]

Troublemaker...


:eviltongu

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AWWWW Duck...just cause it didn't work for you.......it will be ok....::laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[duck]

:laugh: :laugh:

AWWWW Duck...just cause it didn't work for you.......it will be ok....::laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

LOL.

To be fair, I see the point of the mixed insulins, and under certain conditions they can work. But if there is a "better way", then I say do it the better way. My biggest concern about the mixed insulins is the lack of flexibility; Don't you get stuck with "eating to cover the insulin" or having the the insulin regimen dictate your schedule, as opposed to the other way around?

[Harold]

Hi,

I'm new; I asked one question about the discontinuation of ultralente and lente. My other question concerns the effects of 70/30. I haven't been able to find out its timing characteristics, and why I'd want to take that as opposed to R-type regular insulin. Does anyone have any experience or information on it?
Here is a tutorial which you and others may find a bit dated, but still informative.

http://www.mendosa.com/www-2aida-org/tutorial.htm

[Georgia]

I'm currently on Novomix 30/70 which apparently starts to lower my bs 10-20 minutes after taking it & has a maximum effect between 1 & 4 hours & the effect lasts for up tp 24 hours. I can't say I'm impressed with it & find myself having higher bs in the morning & hypos mid afternoon. I'm seeing my doctor tomorrow & am going to discuss changing to MDI - say a Humalog/Levemir regime.