Do you "Liver Dump"?

[duck]

There is a lot of talk around here about liver dumping (the phenomenon where your liver releases glucose into the blood for various reasons).

If you answer, can you please also post whether or not you have other mitigating factors like: are you hypo-thyroid/suffer from another auto-immune disorder? I am trying to sort out a theory in my head.

[duck]

I do not liver dump as far as I can tell...I do not suffer from Dawn Phenomenon, I do not go high with exercise and I do not have a "rebound high" when my blood sugars go low. I do take synthroid for hypothyroid.

[seacomp]

I do not liver dump as far as I can tell...I do not suffer from Dawn Phenomenon In my understanding of this, the Dawn Phenomeon is not a liver dump, but just a normal process of waking up for most people.
I experence a mild form of it, but no "dump" in other circumstances.

[duck]

In my understanding of this, the Dawn Phenomeon is not a liver dump, but just a normal process of waking up for most people.
I experence a mild form of it, but no "dump" in other circumstances.

Meh. Where does the glucose come from then if not from ye old Liver? I wouldn't say "most" people either. I may do a poll on that just for unscientific data-gathering.

[JediSkipdogg]

In my understanding of this, the Dawn Phenomeon is not a liver dump, but just a normal process of waking up for most people.
I experence a mild form of it, but no "dump" in other circumstances.

A liver dump is one of a few items that can occur in the Dawn Phenomenon.

[corwin]

I usually wake up with normal bg levels, skip breakfast and only eat lunch 3-4 hours later. Testing before lunch is usually very close if not exactly the same as it was when I woke up. Either I'm honeymooning (which I saw no other indication of) or my liver is nice enough not to mess my levels.

[TvBabe]

I "liver dump" frequently when I exercise. When I'm exercising I test every 30 minutes to make sure I don't go low but it still happens.

To answer your other question, yes, I am hypothyroid, and I also have arthritis (Undifferentiated Seronegative Spondyloarthropathy), and there is a possibility I am developing RA (my blood tests keeps coming back postive then negative then positive, this has been going on for the past 2 years).

[jen_slc]

I go very high with exercise and usually get a decent liver dump after lows as well. No dawn phenomenon for me since I wake up with normal bg, though if I don't eat breakfast, I liver dump then too. Liver dumping all over the place!

No other current auto-immune disorders, but I used to have Graves' Disease (for 1-2 yrs). I have been in remission for 3 years.

[Tatermom]

Taylor does. No other issues like thyroid so far. We have seen the dawn phenomenon a few times.

[Penny]

Because I am not sleeping good at night, I have been testing, just to see what goes on. I am almost always low after bedtime...60 to 100, but almost always wake in the morning a little high...120 to 160.

[koblenz]

I have no other "conditions".

I do get a rise in blood sugar in the early morning hours, which I program my pump to compensate for.

So either it is a liver dump, or I am sleep walking to the 7-11 and getting a slurpie!

[Rhino]

Totally on the same page as jen and koblenz.

Blood sugar stays 100 from midnight to about 7 then from 7 - 10 am it just starts to climb for no reason, even if I was fasting the night before. Odd stuff.

[rzrbks]

Do you "Liver Dump"?


I was taught to never do stuff like this in public.:toilet:


Actually, I doubt that there are any of us who don't, at some time, it's just that we're prolly not aware of it.

[bluesgirl102]

Duck,

Yes I have liver dumps. I also have Hashimoto's thyroiditis. Dawn Phenomenon too.

[Cinnabon]

Yes I do and I have also been recently diagnosed w/ MS.

[Dewey]

There is a lot of talk around here about liver dumping (the phenomenon where your liver releases glucose into the blood for various reasons).

If you answer, can you please also post whether or not you have other mitigating factors like: are you hypo-thyroid/suffer from another auto-immune disorder? I am trying to sort out a theory in my head.
As far as I can tell, I do not liver dump (by the way, LOL Rzr! :D). I've heard from others who experience that when exercising, but I don't (I actually go low when exercising).

I also have Hypothyroidism, but the most "effects" I get from it (sometimes) are being tired and feeling cold (or warm).

[JasonSmithMT]

There is a lot of talk around here about liver dumping (the phenomenon where your liver releases glucose into the blood for various reasons).

I don't think it is what you are getting at ... but everyone's liver releases glucose as part of it's normal function.

Jason

[duck]

I don't think it is what you are getting at ... but everyone's liver releases glucose as part of it's normal function.

Jason

Yeah, I know. Basal rates, etc. It's a simple poll, I was leery of mentioning DP since that it is a topic that medical journals could go on for volumes about, and so could we, but I didn't want it to be excluded either.

For clarity and for full disclosure, I am doing an informal poll about whether those of us with other autoimmune disorder, specifically HYPOthryroidism, get liver dumps. I don't, EVER, and I'm hypothryroid. I know whatever the results are of this poll, it is no way definitive, but I thought I'd ask the populace here.

Did you vote? :biggrin:

[Cyborg]

Liver dump after waking... If it ain't my liver, something's releasing glucose! :hmmmm2:

[jenet]

Yeah, I know. Basal rates, etc. It's a simple poll, I was leery of mentioning DP since that it is a topic that medical journals could go on for volumes about, and so could we, but I didn't want it to be excluded either.

For clarity and for full disclosure, I am doing an informal poll about whether those of us with other autoimmune disorder, specifically HYPOthryroidism, get liver dumps. I don't, EVER, and I'm hypothryroid. I know whatever the results are of this poll, it is no way definitive, but I thought I'd ask the populace here.

Did you vote? :biggrin:
Yes, I have one other autoimmune disorder, Hashimoto's hypothyroidism.
Yes, I have liver dumps after being low, with especially strong rebounds if I sleep through it (that happens much less now with the pump).
Yes, I have Dawn Phenomenon (in case you care).
Yes, I voted. ;)

cheers,
j

[Ailsa]

No, same as for you Duck. Don't take any other meds.
Just my personal opinion that others may disagree with, but I think the "Dawn Phenomonen" theory is jumped on too quickly as the answer to morning highs.
I have always found that if I am consistantly having morning highs, inceasing my shot 1 unit usually takes care of it. Either that or it's what I ate the evening before.
That may not be the case for everyone, but I think it should be looked at carefully before jumping to conclusions the way the medics do.

[duck]

No, same as for you Duck. Don't take any other meds.
Just my personal opinion that others may disagree with, but I think the "Dawn Phenomonen" theory is jumped on too quickly as the answer to morning highs.
I have always found that if I am consistantly having morning highs, inceasing my shot 1 unit usually takes care of it. Either that or it's what I ate the evening before.
That may not be the case for everyone, but I think it should be looked at carefully before jumping to conclusions the way the medics do.

DP is a topic I'd like to revisit soon, since about a year ago we kinda noticed that "morning people" suffered from it, and the slackers like me who can sleep til noon do not. I can't remember a single variation from that model, and it would make an interesting "real" study.

[jenet]

On MDI with Lantus and Humalog, my BGs could be right on target when I got up and 30-60 minutes later I would be anywhere from 50-150 mg/dl higher with no food and no physical exercise (shower, get dressed, drive to work - that's it). Same or worse results on weekends - verified by setting the alarm to get up and check (and then going back to bed to sleep in). Not sure how else to explain this other than Dawn Phenomenon. (And yes, I am one of those "morning people". ;) )

Now that I have a pump, I can adjust my basal rates to deal with it. My basal rates are not fully tuned and tested yet, but I've had some good early results. Being sick for the last couple of weeks has increased my BG and insulin usage, but I expect both to go back down when I feel better. :nurse:

As always, YMMV. :)
cheers,
j

[HelenM]

I do whilst exercising, I go low and if I don't treat it glucose arrives (presumably from the liver) that in turn gets used up and I need to eat soon after eating to restore supplies. Its fairly normal and the reason why non diabetic runners carbo load before long runs so that they don't 'hit the wall', which is just another name for a hypo when theres no glucose left in the liver.
I also experience the same phenomena if nervous when my BS can shoot up very quickly.
If my BS is ok before its usually the same or up to 20 less in the morning. I think this points to my basal dose being about right ie correcting a small trickle (rather than a dump) of glucose throughout the night.

[KrisinNM]

Yes, my liver "helps" me out under all sorts of circumstances: hypos, DP, excercise, etc. I wish it would quit!
Yes, I am hypothyroid.