Prefilled reservoirs

[Lynne1]

My pump trainers said that Minimed and Novo are working on prefilled reservoirs. I'm so looking forward to that...it seems I can only get 275 units in my reservoir. Anyone else hear anything else about this development.

[poodlebone]

My pump trainers said that Minimed and Novo are working on prefilled reservoirs. I'm so looking forward to that...it seems I can only get 275 units in my reservoir. Anyone else hear anything else about this development.

I haven't heard about that. I really hate filling reservoirs for some reason, but I don't use a lot of insulin so a full 300 unit reservoir lasts me about 10 days, sometimes 11 or 12. I also use Humalog, so wouldn't switch to Novolog just for the convenience of prefilled reservoirs.

I fill mine up completely and I use the previous reservoir to prime the new tubing. So, I should have just about 300 units once I prime briefly (until I see a drop at the end of the already filled tubing) but the pump always says I have 280something. The pump screen always seems to read less than what I actually have.

[JediSkipdogg]

Even if they were prefilled you still wouldn't get the full 300 units out. I hate the pump companies mislead on that part. As Animas claims 200 units on their IR 1200/1250 yet the max I have ever gotten is 186 units and usually I get around 180.

They have been working on the pre-filled ideas for a while, I think about 2-3 years now since I remember first hearing about them. Supposedly it's something with the FDA holding them back.

[jeggeman31]

My pump trainers said that Minimed and Novo are working on prefilled reservoirs. I'm so looking forward to that...it seems I can only get 275 units in my reservoir. Anyone else hear anything else about this development.


The only company that I know of that will do pre fill is
http://www.logimedix.com/pre-filled.htm

[lelggren]

Even if they were prefilled you still wouldn't get the full 300 units out. I hate the pump companies mislead on that part. As Animas claims 200 units on their IR 1200/1250 yet the max I have ever gotten is 186 units and usually I get around 180.

They have been working on the pre-filled ideas for a while, I think about 2-3 years now since I remember first hearing about them. Supposedly it's something with the FDA holding them back.
My guess would be that they can't because it is storing the insulin outside of the original vial. Wouldn't that be potentially harmful to the insulin? Even with pens, the insulin is stored in a vial-like cartridge. It is similiar to them not wanting people to prefill syringes.

If I'm wrong on this, someone please correct me :) Thanks!

[JediSkipdogg]

My guess would be that they can't because it is storing the insulin outside of the original vial. Wouldn't that be potentially harmful to the insulin? Even with pens, the insulin is stored in a vial-like cartridge. It is similiar to them not wanting people to prefill syringes.

If I'm wrong on this, someone please correct me :) Thanks!

I do think that's why. And my guess is this secondary company jeggeman posted about does it with no guarantee the insulin is good or something like that. It seems to me it would just take some making of a new type of insulin cartridge for a pump and all will be fine. Something like a pen cartridge with a plunger on the end.

[Lynne1]

I would be grateful if I could get a prefilled reservoir since it won't have air bubbles. Then I wouldn't have to spend half an hour trying to get the bubbles out of the reservoir.

[Poe]

180 units?
darn good on the 1250.
best i have ever gotten on mine from a new reservoir and tube is 176.
if i have a good site going then i'll just replace the reservoir and get 186 units.

[psilocybin]

My pump trainers said that Minimed and Novo are working on prefilled reservoirs. I'm so looking forward to that...it seems I can only get 275 units in my reservoir. Anyone else hear anything else about this development.

filling a reservoir does not require much skill or time...it takes about 20 seconds.,..would not benefit me anyway with prefilled reservoirs. but people that find it a pain i guess it could be nice for

[Lynne1]

filling a reservoir does not require much skill or time...it takes about 20 seconds.,..would not benefit me anyway with prefilled reservoirs. but people that find it a pain i guess it could be nice for
I get so many air bubbles...I wack on the reservoir with a knife for at least 15 minutes before I'm satisfied I've gotten enough air out. How do you do it?

[psilocybin]

I get so many air bubbles...I wack on the reservoir with a knife for at least 15 minutes before I'm satisfied I've gotten enough air out. How do you do it?you suppose to inject into the vial as much air as to insulin that you take out.. tip vial upside down, take out your insulin, than flick your cartridge tons of times..than i inject a bit of insulin back in the vial ( to get rid of the bubbles).

[Cinnabon]

I was Bubble Queen for quite some time.. I know how frustrating this is. I heard about the prefilled, but still waiting for it, on a very comfortable couch,, LOL
Tapping, like u do is the idea, but I also take the air out of the vial from time to time, by simply putting a syringe with no top and no back for a few secs.

[Funnygrl]

The accu-chek spirit kinda looks like a crappy pump, but one nice thing is that is takes pen cartridges. Now that is smart.

[psilocybin]

The accu-chek spirit kinda looks like a crappy pump, but one nice thing is that is takes pen cartridges. Now that is smart.

true but they will make more money if they use cartridges.

[lelggren]

true but they will make more money if they use cartridges.
Don't give them any ideas....Supplies are expensive enough.

[Funnygrl]

true but they will make more money if they use cartridges.
Roche doesn't make insulin, they could care less whether you buy cartridges or fill them yourself.

[Cyborg]

My only concern with prefilled reservoirs is that once a vial of insulin is opened, it supposedly only lasts 30 days. Thus, once they open a vial to fill reservoirs for you, the count down begins. That 30 days is partially used by shipping and handling time and by the time it gets to you, you probably have about 3 weeks left (if they used a brand new vial of insulin). So, you would need to limit your order to only 3 weeks of prefilled reservoirs and order from a trusted source.

[JediSkipdogg]

My only concern with prefilled reservoirs is that once a vial of insulin is opened, it supposedly only lasts 30 days. Thus, once they open a vial to fill reservoirs for you, the count down begins. That 30 days is partially used by shipping and handling time and by the time it gets to you, you probably have about 3 weeks left (if they used a brand new vial of insulin). So, you would need to limit your order to only 3 weeks of prefilled reservoirs and order from a trusted source.

That's why I think they are working on something new. How do pen cartridges work? Pump cartridges should be able to be done the same way.

[spike]

My only concern with prefilled reservoirs is that once a vial of insulin is opened, it supposedly only lasts 30 days. Thus, once they open a vial to fill reservoirs for you, the count down begins. That 30 days is partially used by shipping and handling time and by the time it gets to you, you probably have about 3 weeks left (if they used a brand new vial of insulin). So, you would need to limit your order to only 3 weeks of prefilled reservoirs and order from a trusted source.

prefilled reservoirs should last quite a while in the fridge--not just a measly 30 days!

[JediSkipdogg]

prefilled reservoirs should last quite a while in the fridge--not just a measly 30 days!

I think he's referring to something like Lantus which lasts 30 days once air hits it. But I think if they make the units air tight and had you break a seal on the "needle" end that it would be find for 3-6 months.

[Doetsch]

I would love pre-filled resevoirs. It would cut down on the time to change sets and site dramatically.

[spike]

I would love pre-filled resevoirs. It would cut down on the time to change sets and site dramatically.

to what? 30 seconds? :) I can do a set change on a 515 in 1:50 seconds. that's the ENTIRE process. When I'm slow, it takes me about 2:30.

[psilocybin]

Roche doesn't make insulin, they could care less whether you buy cartridges or fill them yourself.

this does not matter...think about it...cozmo makes cartridges for thepump.... there will be no need for this if you have an insulin company producing there insulin in cartridges to begin with. or if the novo company buys them off of cozmo then..... its the way the world works.,. if you buy mass amounts of things you get them cheaper (aka if you dont get what im saying yet, novo will have to buy tons of cartridges off of the pump company..aka cheaper!) or the customer can buy 25 at a time for more expense off of cozmo

[Moonlitknight]

Lynne1
I use the penfill cartridges and find less trouble with bubbles.
I am very new though to this

[Lynne1]

My only concern with prefilled reservoirs is that once a vial of insulin is opened, it supposedly only lasts 30 days. Thus, once they open a vial to fill reservoirs for you, the count down begins. That 30 days is partially used by shipping and handling time and by the time it gets to you, you probably have about 3 weeks left (if they used a brand new vial of insulin). So, you would need to limit your order to only 3 weeks of prefilled reservoirs and order from a trusted source.
:rofl:
Novo is working on this with Minimed. I assume they would change the manufacturing process to fill the reservoirs instead of the vials. I don't think they are going to take vials of insulin, draw out the insulin and fill the reservoirs. That would make no sense!

[psilocybin]

:rofl:
Novo is working on this with Minimed. I assume they would change the manufacturing process to fill the reservoirs instead of the vials. I don't think they are going to take vials of insulin, draw out the insulin and fill the reservoirs. That would make no sense!

who said thats what they were going to do..i never said they were going to draw it out themselves and fill them one by one....there would be a machine to do this for them (which is made of PLC's) very easy to make machines that fill things.. done it in school.. (but that does not make sence) they would work together...but that is not the point...its about the money here. who cares how they are filled or not...the point of the story im trying to get across is that the pump companies would make more money if they sold them in boxes of 25 to the customer. unless some how the pump companies had a machine to fill all of those cartridges than they would have to purchase the insulin off of the insulin company than sell them for more money,.. would minimed be selling the insulin or would the insulin companies?? i dont think the insulin companies would allow minimed to sell there insulin think about it.... so then pump companies would have to sell there cartridges for less money to the insulin company (because they are buying mass quantities)

[Lynne1]

who said thats what they were going to doNo one...just assuming. Spoke to my trainer today and she said that Novo is working on a more stable insulin to use in the prefilled reservoirs. OK...I didn't ask anymore questions cause I wasn't sure why it would matter. Prefilled reservoirs could be kept in the fridge. But anyhow, it was clear that the prefilled are not coming out anytime soon.

[psilocybin]

who said thats what they were going to do..i never said they were going to draw it out themselves and fill them one by one....there would be a machine to do this for them (which is made of PLC's) very easy to make machines that fill things.. done it in school.. (but that does not make sence) they would work together...but that is not the point...its about the money here. who cares how they are filled or not...the point of the story im trying to get across is that the pump companies would make more money if they sold them in boxes of 25 to the customer. unless some how the pump companies had a machine to fill all of those cartridges than they would have to purchase the insulin off of the insulin company than sell them for more money,.. would minimed be selling the insulin or would the insulin companies?? i dont think the insulin companies would allow minimed to sell there insulin think about it.... so then pump companies would have to sell there cartridges for less money to the insulin company (because they are buying mass quantities)

didnt mean for that to sound so rude..sorry about that..i was at 2.2mmol in the middle of that post so if any of it didnt make sence sorry about that to lol

error in my post= would minimed be selling the insulin or would the pump companies

[Lynne1]

didnt mean for that to sound so rude..sorry about that

error in my post= would minimed be selling the insulin or would the pump companies
I only just read your post. I was responding to another post in the thread. Sometimes the companies will do something for the convenience for the customer if they think it means more $$$ in the future. Anything to make the process easier would mean an increase in customers. Think of a half blind little granny with arthritis trying to change her infusion set. Any step that could be eliminated would result in a lot more people like her buying pumps (think older, insulin using, type IIs). It's really an investment in the company's future. Novo is competing for the insulin market share so prefilled reservoirs might give them an advantage. That's my quick thoughts on the subject.

[psilocybin]

I only just read your post. I was responding to another post in the thread. Sometimes the companies will do something for the convenience for the customer if they think it means more $$$ in the future. Anything to make the process easier would mean an increase in customers. Think of a half blind little granny with arthritis trying to change her infusion set. Any step that could be eliminated would result in a lot more people like her buying pumps (think older, insulin using, type IIs). It's really an investment in the company's future. Novo is competing for the insulin market share so prefilled reservoirs might give them an advantage. That's my quick thoughts on the subject.

:shakehand
k we should probly end this argument...i really cant see them doing this anytime soon and losing money like that even if they make money in the future... but thats just me. im not the company. so who knows what will happen

[Lynne1]

:shakehand
k we should probly end this argument...i really cant see them doing this anytime soon and losing money like that even if they make money in the future... but thats just me. im not the company. so who knows what will happen
ok. have a great w/e!

[JediSkipdogg]

My understanding if that Lilly would sell the insulin to the pump companies and the pump companies would then distribute the pre-filled cartridges. It may even be the other way around where the insulin companies buy the cartridges from the pump company. Neither company would lose any money in this matter. So I'm not sure where you see money being lost at. It's not like Lilly would be making their own pump cartridges, that would not happen at all. And pump companies would not start making insulin unless they make a new kind, otherwise they'd be fighting patent lawsuits in court.

[amccrazgrl]

I can get 280-305 units in my Cozmo reservoir.

Pre fillled reserviors isnt that time saving. I mean really how long does it take not long. I have no air bubbles ethier. I take in a little extra insulin then squirt it out and no bubbles.

[psilocybin]

My understanding if that Lilly would sell the insulin to the pump companies and the pump companies would then distribute the pre-filled cartridges. It may even be the other way around where the insulin companies buy the cartridges from the pump company. Neither company would lose any money in this matter. So I'm not sure where you see money being lost at. It's not like Lilly would be making their own pump cartridges, that would not happen at all. And pump companies would not start making insulin unless they make a new kind, otherwise they'd be fighting patent lawsuits in court.

thats exactly what i was getting at jedi =]