Experiment - Part 2. Is anything over 200 diabetic?

[Carpe Diem]

Hello Again;

I've decided to continue the experiment one more day by eating pizza for dinner. This was a very fatty, white pizza with chicken, cheese, and lots of Alfredo sauce. The crust was regular thickness.

Results:

45 min 117
1 hour 227 ***
1.5 hours 140
2 hours 137
2 hrs. 15 min 127

Note I had a "spike" over 200. Does this indicate diabetes, or does it have to be sustained longer? I think I read you should never be over 200, but wanted to be sure.

Strangely, this experiment shows a much quicker response time than the ice cream hot fudge sundae with caramel. I would have thought this one had more fat (and hence a slower spike time and recovery), but maybe not...

Thanks,
Kevin

P.S. - For lunch, I had a Moes' "Close Talker" salad, without the shell. It includes lettuce, black beans, chicken, cheese, sour cream, olives, and cucumber, all covered in a southwest ranch dressing. My reading went from a starting point of 91 to a peak of 100 and no higher.

[Funnygrl]

Generally speaking, a reading over 200 almost always indicates diabetes, but it has to be lab drawn to hold any ground. My recommendation to you is that you stop these high carb experiments (they are only harming you) and talk to your doctor about this.

[JediSkipdogg]

Personally, you can't go by how food reacts to decide if you are diabetic or not. I may be the only one that thinks that though. The reason is because everyone's body digests food differently. The key to diabetes is having a fasting level without food in a high area. But it seems like you are returning to normal in a normal amount of time for food.

Are you taking any medications or pills (even vitamins) at all? Have you had any true tests for diabetes does (C-Peptite, fasting BG, etc..)?

[psilocybin]

Personally, you can't go by how food reacts to decide if you are diabetic or not. I may be the only one that thinks that though. The reason is because everyone's body digests food differently. The key to diabetes is having a fasting level without food in a high area. But it seems like you are returning to normal in a normal amount of time for food.

Are you taking any medications or pills (even vitamins) at all? Have you had any true tests for diabetes does (C-Peptite, fasting BG, etc..)?

i agree,,,,,certain foods cause bigger spikes....and everyone has spikes in there bg including people without diabetes

[Carpe Diem]

... as follows:

2 hours 30 min. 162
2 hours 50 min. 146

so the whole sequence is:

45 min 117
1 hour 227 ***
1.5 hours 140
2 hours 137
2 hrs. 15 min 127
2 hrs. 30 min 162
2 hours 50 min 146

Yes, I know I am potentially harming myself by eating this way. But you would do the same thing by taking an Oral Glucose Tolerance Test. And yes, I know only the doctor can tell me for sure (usually). I just wanted to get the opinion of those who live with this daily as to whether these numbers are typical of insulin resistance (or diabetic) or just normal responses to higher-carb meals (I've never tested on higher carb meals before since insulin resistance was diagnosed after I adopted a low carb lifestyle, hence I never measured my BG prior to that point).

[Carpe Diem]

Are you taking any medications or pills (even vitamins) at all? Have you had any true tests for diabetes does (C-Peptite, fasting BG, etc..)?

JediSkipDogg;

One low-dose BP med (Cozaar - for mildly elevated BP) and that's it for meds. I take a boat-load of vitamins every day, but stopped 3 days ago in order to test my BG. Will start taking them again tomorrow.

[Funnygrl]

... as follows:

2 hours 30 min. 162
2 hours 50 min. 146

so the whole sequence is:

45 min 117
1 hour 227 ***
1.5 hours 140
2 hours 137
2 hrs. 15 min 127
2 hrs. 30 min 162
2 hours 50 min 146

Yes, I know I am potentially harming myself by eating this way. But you would do the same thing by taking an Oral Glucose Tolerance Test. And yes, I know only the doctor can tell me for sure (usually). I just wanted to get the opinion of those who live with this daily as to whether these numbers are typical of insulin resistance (or diabetic) or just normal responses to higher-carb meals (I've never tested on higher carb meals before since insulin resistance was diagnosed after I adopted a low carb lifestyle, hence I never measured my BG prior to that point).
Yes, but the OGTT has set guidlines for what is diabetes and what isn't. You are just grabbing at straws doing this. And the OGTT is 3 hours. You've been doing this, what, three days?

[Peter Lee]

I just wanted to get the opinion of those who live with this daily as to whether these numbers are typical of insulin resistance (or diabetic) or just normal responses to higher-carb meals
Yes you are definitely insulin resistant.
Yes the numbers indicate that you could be full blown diabetic.
No this is not a normal response to a higher carb. meal.

Your messages indicate that you are in the denial stage that we all go/went through and the sooner you face up to the fact that you have a problem that needs correct management with the right medication, healthy eating and appropriate exercise, the sooner you will stop damaging your body.

Sorry to be so blunt, but I hate to see someone who is at an early stage where the corrective action can be minimal, wasting time in trying to persuade themselves that there isn't really a problem - life's too short for that.

Good luck.

[Penny]

What Peter said! I tried to fool myself, because I had periods of relatively low BS readings. I did not get real serious until after I had a heart attack and died! :goodnight It wasn't fun, and if I had not denied the disease for years, maybe it wouldn't have happened.

[Carpe Diem]

Yes you are definitely insulin resistant.
Yes the numbers indicate that you could be full blown diabetic.
No this is not a normal response to a higher carb. meal.

Your messages indicate that you are in the denial stage that we all go/went through and the sooner you face up to the fact that you have a problem that needs correct management with the right medication, healthy eating and appropriate exercise, the sooner you will stop damaging your body.

Sorry to be so blunt, but I hate to see someone who is at an early stage where the corrective action can be minimal, wasting time in trying to persuade themselves that there isn't really a problem - life's too short for that.

Good luck.

Thanks for the feedback Peter. That's what I was looking for. I'll now discuss it further with my doctor. He's already told me he thought I was insulin dependent, but yes, I guess I am in a bit of a denial phase. I have been eating properly (except for the last 3 days to do a little "testing"), but because my numbers are so well controlled low-carbing, just was having a hard time believing I was having a problem to begin with. :frown:

By the way, this morning FBG 104 - starting to creep up a bit. Time to behave myself (i.e., no more experiments) and eat right, and take my vitamins...

Thanks for your comments as well, Penny.

Kevin

[Carpe Diem]

He's already told me he thought I was insulin dependent,


Sorry, that was supposed to say "insulin resistant."

[Brenda A]

Hello Again;

I've decided to continue the experiment one more day by eating pizza for dinner. This was a very fatty, white pizza with chicken, cheese, and lots of Alfredo sauce. The crust was regular thickness.

Results:

45 min 117
1 hour 227 ***
1.5 hours 140
2 hours 137
2 hrs. 15 min 127

Note I had a "spike" over 200. Does this indicate diabetes, or does it have to be sustained longer? I think I read you should never be over 200, but wanted to be sure.

Strangely, this experiment shows a much quicker response time than the ice cream hot fudge sundae with caramel. I would have thought this one had more fat (and hence a slower spike time and recovery), but maybe not...

Thanks,
Kevin

P.S. - For lunch, I had a Moes' "Close Talker" salad, without the shell. It includes lettuce, black beans, chicken, cheese, sour cream, olives, and cucumber, all covered in a southwest ranch dressing. My reading went from a starting point of 91 to a peak of 100 and no higher.

I would hault the experiments! My endo says if you are over 150 you are harming vital organs. I have been told this by every endo I have seen in the past 12 years. When I had my first diabetes call I had a fasting 126 and every one was excited. My husband had a spike of 180 after a meal and my endo said he is diabetic and needs to accept it and run test. He is still in denial and will not go in for a full check up. Don't experiment with diabetes. My sister waited doing self testing and :turtle: fooling around. It almost cost her kidneys! Nip it fast and start treating it very serious, because boy is it destructive.

[Ritehsedad]

The current FASTING blood glucuse standards are:

<100 (actually 7-100) non-diabetic
101 - 125 pre-diabetes
126-199 (two different tests, two different days) type 2
200+ one time type 2

Please note that these are all FASTING (8 hours plus).

Now, as far as 2 hrs after meals are concerned, 140 is generally considered to be the highest level that a non-diabetic will see, and usually not higher than 130.

[Lynne1]

A reading over 200 non-fasting on two separate occasions is one of the diagnostic criteria for diabetes.

[Lynne1]

http://diabetes.org/pre-diabetes/pre-diabetes-symptoms.jsp

[Peter Lee]

Thanks for the feedback Peter. That's what I was looking for. I'll now discuss it further with my doctor. He's already told me he thought I was insulin dependent, but yes, I guess I am in a bit of a denial phase. I have been eating properly (except for the last 3 days to do a little "testing"), but because my numbers are so well controlled low-carbing, just was having a hard time believing I was having a problem to begin with. :frown:

By the way, this morning FBG 104 - starting to creep up a bit. Time to behave myself (i.e., no more experiments) and eat right, and take my vitamins...

Thanks for your comments as well, Penny.

Kevin
Well done!!:shakehand

[Carpe Diem]

...as being "glucose intolerant." That's sort of what I figured he would say.

By the way, I checked my blood sugar after a low-carb mexican meal consisting of a chicken fajita with cheese, sour cream, onions, and peppers (but no tortilla); and a side of refried beans (a small side, I know, not exactly low carb but for me, when eaten with the rest of the meal, it doesn't affect my blood sugar as you'll see). The results are as follows:

30 min 96
1 hr 95
1 hr 30 min 96
2 hrs 90
2 hrs 15 min 98
2 hrs 30 min 99
3 hrs 113
3 hrs 15 min 90
3 hrs 30 min 95

So, for me at least, it seems to be controlled by a low-carbing way of life.

Kevin

[seacomp]

So, for me at least, it seems to be controlled by a low-carbing way of life.
Now all you have to add is a run around the block a few times after eating. ;)

[Carpe Diem]

Now all you have to add is a run around the block a few times after eating. ;)

How true... I used to run 7 miles a night, 4 times a week. Then I had surgery for a herniated disc in my neck, followed by more knee surgery. This was the 3rd time for knee surgery. I guess my knees are just not made for running...

But walking briskly is good too, or even slowly doesn't hurt! :turtle:
(OK, I admit it... I've been trying to find a way to use the turtle smilie in a message... :laugh: )

[Harold]

...as being "glucose intolerant." That's sort of what I figured he would say.

So what type will glucose intolerant be, and what are the causes?

[Lynne1]

I would like to make a suggestion...and this goes for anyone who has not officially been diagnosed w/diabetes. Get all the life insurance you need before diagnosis. It's such a pain to get it afterwards! It took me 4 months to get my insurance and it took my husband 2 weeks. Go for the official diagnosis afterwards!

Also, swimming is a great exercise that's not hard on the joints.

[Carpe Diem]

So what type will glucose intolerant be, and what are the causes?

I think what he meant was what would be called Impaired Glucose Tolerance (I think that's the name of it), but he wrote at the bottom of the checkout sheet "glucose intolerance."

[Carpe Diem]

I would like to make a suggestion...and this goes for anyone who has not officially been diagnosed w/diabetes. Get all the life insurance you need before diagnosis. It's such a pain to get it afterwards! It took me 4 months to get my insurance and it took my husband 2 weeks. Go for the official diagnosis afterwards!

Also, swimming is a great exercise that's not hard on the joints.


I've already got life insurance, but it's a good suggestion!

Good point about the swimming as well!

[Harold]

I think what he meant was what would be called Impaired Glucose Tolerance (I think that's the name of it), but he wrote at the bottom of the checkout sheet "glucose intolerance."
May be nothing more than another name for PreDiabetes.
impaired glucose tolerance

Patients with an abnormally high blood sugar have an impaired glucose tolerence rather than diabetes if:

* the fasting glucose is less than 7.8 mmol/l
* two hours after a 75g oral glucose load the glucose is between 7.8 and 11.1 mmol/l.

They should not be labelled as diabetics, particularly as this will be disadvantageous for insurance purposes.

The incidence of impaired glucose tolerance is:

* 17% of those aged 40-65 in the UK (1)
* 11% of those aged 20-74 in the US (2)

Complications of impaired glucose tolerence include:

* cardiovascular disease - in middle aged men with glucose intolerence have double the risk of death from cardiovascular disease (http://http://www.gpnotebook.co.uk/cache/221577279.htm)