[ADSOFT]

As you guys know I don't believe in the morning 12 hr fasting glucose test to determine if you have D.

I believe in actually testing how much glucose you can handle and how long it takes to come down.

I'm over 45, 30 lbs overweight, High Blodd Pressure, and my Mom has D. And usually by 11:30 am I'm so run down I have to take a nap.

I drink a lot of water, avg 36 ounces of alchohol a day, eat salads, don't do much excercise because of my bad back: Too much computers.


I passed the morning test twice but I think it's because of my diet, If I were to take the Glucose Tolerance Test I don't think I would pass. There are many people who can control their D with diet, excercise and herbs. I sort of believe in water, herbs and diet, but I may not show D because of my quasi strict diet.

What I decide to do is to start monitoring myself over a weeks period and slowly up my carbs and sugar intake to see how how much sugar I can handle.

I'm going work my intake up to a Very Large Regular Coke, A Large Snickers Bar, A Carls Double Cheese Burger: .. well I might scale that down, that could be a reciepy for a Heart Attack : lol.

My mom haS D and some of the information that I would gain will help in controlling my mom's D.

I plan on not drinking alcohol for a week, I like beer but I don't need it, since it helps in bringing down your sugar.


So I'm on DAY 2 of my test here are my results

-Day two I plan to up Protiens and Fats but stay away from Simple Carbs(breads), Moderate complex carbs(carrots) and Eat High Protien and Fats (Breakfeast Burritos, Hash Browns) I will include Coffee in my day twice.


Day Two:

1. Breakfeast: 9:45 am

- Jack In the Box Breakfeast Burrito Combo, includes Hash Browns, Large coffee. I also have had 6 baby carrots and a clover of raw Garlic. Drank about 500 ml of water.

Ran some errands,mostly driving for 1 hr.
- 11 am: BG 134

- 12:30am BG 114
.. That's 2 1/2 hrs later, I bascilly had a Higher Protien breakfeast, and have been drinkng a lot of water the last few days, I would have expected something around 100 -105.

... I still think I wouldn't pass a full blown GTT.

... But I will up the sugar tommorrow,


-1:30 pm .. will post results later.




By the way I will include Day One's test results later.

[ShottleBop]

Coca-Cola has 27 grams of carbs (all of it sugar, I'm sure) per 8 oz. Why not buy a 20-oz. Coke (would have 67.5 grams of carbs) and test yourself at 30 mins., an hour, and two hours?

[sarahspins]

Orange Crush has 50g carbs per 12oz... 75g is a normal carb load for a GTT, so if you had a can and a half, or a 20oz bottle, that would more closely approximate a lab-run GTT.

You really cannot do a GTT based on fast food... the high fat will delay the carb absorbtion and delay the rise in BG.. nevermind that it's just plain NOT GOOD FOR YOU!

[Moonglo]

What was your bg reading before you ate breakfast?

[ADSOFT]

Originally Posted by sarahspins

Orange Crush has 50g carbs per 12oz... 75g is a normal carb load for a GTT, so if you had a can and a half, or a 20oz bottle, that would more closely approximate a lab-run GTT.

You really cannot do a GTT based on fast food... the high fat will delay the carb absorbtion and delay the rise in BG.. nevermind that it's just plain NOT GOOD FOR YOU!

Thanks,

I knew there was a better way, lol. .... thanks.

Do you have a link on how much Sugar Carbs are in a GTT test.

From what I here many people don't get a GTT test, till they show symptoms of D. By that time tons of damage is done.

I'm going to do the Soda test, but If you have a link on GTT I would appreciate it.

If we can simulate one here on DF it might help alot of people who are here to help family members and think they might have it like myself.

Thanks again.

[fgummett]

I also understood it was 75g carbs (might be some leeway based on body size??)... and as above it is a *Glucose* Tolerance Test... not Fat or Protein

[sarahspins]

Glucose tolerance test - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you weigh more than about 95lbs you need the full 75g load

It's also important ot note that the GTT represents more of a "worst case" scenario in terms of how your body handles high amounts of carbohydrates... it is not a very good representation of how your body would react to a normal meal (which would also contain fats, proteins, fiber, etc that can all effect the absorbtion of carbohydrates), but of course, that's not exactly what it's used to determine.

I would strongly suggest that if you find abnormal results yourself, do not consider them diagnostic, but it would definitely be something to discuss with your doctor.

[foxl]

In research studies, the term used is, mixed-meal tolerance test, MMTT. And it is still considered valid (but I doubt they used fast food) ... I used 40 g for one meal, and 80 for another, when I was goofing around a couple weeks ago.

Doubt it proves much, but I did it.

[ADSOFT]

Thanks, guys


I really appreciate that.

I haven't posted Day Ones Results but Yesterday, which was Day One went something like this.

I had coffee in the morning and ate about 3/4 lb of baby carrotts and water all day.

I went from 3am to about 11pm on a Cup of Coffee and the carrots, I was falling asleep on the keyboard 3 hrs after the coffee that's when I started on the carrots. Didn't take any naps all day. I haven't fallen asleep on the keyboard for a while, I think the coffee excited my system and then I came crashing down. The Carrots picked me up. I don't have a tester at home, so had to wait till I got to mom's house.

I tested myself twice yesterday at 5pm and 6pm: Readings where 102 and 98.

I just tested myself today after the 9:45 am breakfest, at about 2:30 pm.: BG 94!!

Wow, my numbers where higher on carrots than the Breakfeast Burrito Combo, which agrees with the point that my morining test was not all carbs, and unforntiontly my fear that I would not pass a GTT.

... well, I'm going to keep testing.

Might do the soda test tommorrow. Will keep you guys posted.

[Granny Shanny]

Originally Posted by ADSOFT

So I'm on DAY 2 of my test here are my results

-Day two I plan to up Protiens and Fats but stay away from Simple Carbs(breads), Moderate complex carbs(carrots) and Eat High Protien and Fats (Breakfeast Burritos, Hash Browns) I will include Coffee in my day twice.
Day Two:
1. Breakfeast: 9:45 am
- Jack In the Box Breakfeast Burrito Combo, includes Hash Browns, Large coffee. I also have had 6 baby carrots and a clover of raw Garlic. Drank about 500 ml of water.
Ran some errands,mostly driving for 1 hr.
- 11 am: BG 134
- 12:30am BG 114
.. That's 2 1/2 hrs later, I bascilly had a Higher Protien breakfeast, and have been drinkng a lot of water the last few days, I would have expected something around 100 -105.

... I still think I wouldn't pass a full blown GTT.
... But I will up the sugar tommorrow,
-1:30 pm .. will post results later

I must be totally misunderstanding you, because I'm reading that you had a high protein/fat breakfast, and yet by my calculations (and the Calorie King), the JITB breakfast burrito and hashbrowns together are 26g protein, 39g fat and 42g carbs.

Those hashbrowns & the tortilla wrap of the burrito are about 100% carbohydrate, aren't they?

[ADSOFT]

Originally Posted by Granny Shanny

I must be totally misunderstanding you, because I'm reading that you had a high protein/fat breakfast, and yet by my calculations (and the Calorie King), the JITB breakfast burrito and hashbrowns together are 26g protein, 39g fat and 42g carbs.

Those hashbrowns & the tortilla wrap of the burrito are about 100% carbohydrate, aren't they?

Probobly, I'm not a Carb counter; I havent' had time to develope that skill since there is so much to learn about D.

I just wanted to get an idea how I would do with a heavy meal, since I'm a light mealer.

I'm going to get into counting carbs though. A definate skill.

I don't have time to look it up, but what is the recommended carb count for breakfeast?

[Granny Shanny]

Just get hold of a carb counter like the Calorie King . . . they make a pocket-size that's pretty portable & it has good content on many restaurants & fast food outlets.



Hard to recommend a carb count for others - my breakfast carbs are nil - I'm usually higher than I like in the morning, so I just have bacon or sausage & eggs, with a little cream in my coffee.

You can work out what works best for you when you get a better fix on your situation.

[ADSOFT]

Good Job Granny,

I'm going to recommend that to my sister. I will help with mom's D.

... it will help me too

[ADSOFT]

I didn't really have a meal today after that breakfeast in the morning but I've snacked on 4-6 baby carrots, two or three pieces of brocs, and had a miller lite. Drank about 700 ml of water during the day. Oh also ate an apple.

I didn't write down when I had the miller lite but I was sipping it down probobly finished at around 9:00 pm.

11:30 pm .... BG 96.

I was hoping something in the 80s.


I'm going to do better documentation tommorrow.

[binnieman]

I am also determinded to do my own experimental OGTT as my doc refused to give me one. The bottled Starbucks coffee frapuccion's have 37 g of carbs each. I will take two of those on a convenient day this week and test before and after and let you guys know how it goes. That would be a good substitute for my morning coffee for the day. But if someone strongly suggests that this would be a bad idea, I would appreciate the advice.