New Pump - Page 2

Funnygrl · #16 (**permalink**) 07-15-2007, 09:58 PM

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Can you submit for reimbursement in these circumstances?

I can after the code is released. I have up to a year from date of purchase, but they need a farking code.

Tony · #17 (**permalink**) 07-16-2007, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by duck

They are paying their rate on the 722, but seem to be confused as to whether they will pay for the CGMS activation on the 722 (apparently, MM charges about $1000 to activate the CGMS on the 722, or $1339 for the Guardian...with the Guardian at that price, you get three sensors and the transmitter, with the 722+activation fee, you get ten sensors, the transmitter, etc.)

There is no activation fee. The cgms can be turn on or off in the 522/722 by the user. The $1,000 is for the kit.

On a side note, my Dr. Said Minimed's cgms has been fda approved for 7 day use and I think he said next month it will be ready for use. He also said they improved the sensor to make them more accurate and the new sensors do not need refrigeration.

I was going to see what excatly is in the kit, but the Minimed site is down. I'm wonder if they are updating the site with these new products?

kgm0612 · #18 (**permalink**) 07-16-2007, 05:55 AM

Duck.......so sorry I misunderstood your post! I thought you were doing injections and now decided to go to a pump! I need to pay closer attention to things! LOL

Karen

duck · #19 (**permalink**) 07-16-2007, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by kgm0612

Duck.......so sorry I misunderstood your post! I thought you were doing injections and now decided to go to a pump! I need to pay closer attention to things! LOL

Karen

Karen, it's my fault--I sort of assume everyone knows I am a pumper, but I took those details out of my signature a while ago and I know how hard it is to keep track of everyone here. LOL, I'll make a note to qualify myself next time, that was boneheaded of me now that I think about it.

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Originally Posted by Tony

There is no activation fee. The cgms can be turn on or off in the 522/722 by the user. The $1,000 is for the kit.

On a side note, my Dr. Said Minimed's cgms has been fda approved for 7 day use and I think he said next month it will be ready for use. He also said they improved the sensor to make them more accurate and the new sensors do not need refrigeration.

I was going to see what excatly is in the kit, but the Minimed site is down. I'm wonder if they are updating the site with these new products?

I'll be meeting with the MM local rep (sales rep) Wednesday and get hard details on exactly what comes with the kit, but my understanding was that with the Guardian, you get the transmitter, 3 insertion sets and the Guardian itself. With the 722/522, you get the transmitter and 10 sets. I'm sorry I haven't been writing it all down, every time I've talked to MM I was either riding on a train with a lot of noise or I was hip-deep in mud in my backyard trying to plant trees!

I'll call them today as well.

The sales rep got very annoyed when I told her that different websites claimed the MM CGMS was less accurate than DexCom; she said that was NEVER true, but there were some things you had to do with the MM version initially to make sure you were very accurate, and MM did a poor job of relaying the importance of the initial calibrations. Also, she said the same thing you said, now it is even more accurate than before. Either way, I'm about to find out.

JediSkipdogg · #20 (**permalink**) 07-16-2007, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Tony

On a side note, my Dr. Said Minimed's cgms has been fda approved for 7 day use and I think he said next month it will be ready for use. He also said they improved the sensor to make them more accurate and the new sensors

That is correct which is why I think all orders placed right now should wait. At least wait until it's confirmed that MM is shipping the 7 day system as they may charge you down the road if you want that version, which is really just a software change on the pump/guardian.

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Originally Posted by duck

I'll be meeting with the MM local rep (sales rep) Wednesday and get hard details on exactly what comes with the kit, but my understanding was that with the Guardian, you get the transmitter, 3 insertion sets and the Guardian itself. With the 722/522, you get the transmitter and 10 sets.

I think that makes the two systems comparable in price. Each sensor is $35, so with the Guardian you get $105 worth and with the pump kit version you get $350 worth. Then I forget what the transmitter cost, but I thought I heard $300 or so once. Which means the pump kit one is getting ripped off. And with the Guardian that would put the receiver around $650 which sounds right for one of those.

Just some stupid useless info.

NoelD · #21 (**permalink**) 07-16-2007, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Tony

There is no activation fee. The cgms can be turn on or off in the 522/722 by the user. The $1,000 is for the kit.

On a side note, my Dr. Said Minimed's cgms has been fda approved for 7 day use and I think he said next month it will be ready for use. He also said they improved the sensor to make them more accurate and the new sensors do not need refrigeration.

I was going to see what excatly is in the kit, but the Minimed site is down. I'm wonder if they are updating the site with these new products?

Yea, I got a box of the new sensors a few weeks ago. Kinda surprised me, they look a bit different, but they seem better. The top is smooth, helping adhesive hold it down securely. They seem just about the same as far as accuracy goes so far. I still keep 'em in the fridge though.

duck · #22 (**permalink**) 07-16-2007, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by JediSkipdogg

I think that makes the two systems comparable in price. Each sensor is $35, so with the Guardian you get $105 worth and with the pump kit version you get $350 worth. Then I forget what the transmitter cost, but I thought I heard $300 or so once. Which means the pump kit one is getting ripped off. And with the Guardian that would put the receiver around $650 which sounds right for one of those.

Just some stupid useless info.

Not stupid, worthy of discussion for anyone considering the same.

Now, let me do my math and let's see if it jives...Transmitters are about $650.

To get the Guardian system will cost you $1339; you get:
Guardian (pager/pump-looking device, not a pump) reader
Four sensors
One transmitter

To get the 722 "Real-Time System" (RTS) it will cost you $6195+$999 for the RTS supplies; for which you get:
Ten sensors
One transmitter

Obviously, the second option is more expensive if you don't already have a 522/722. But for less than the Guardian kit, you get ten sensors and the transmitter.

What I DON'T get is that my insurance will approve me for the Guardian in addition to the 722. I don't want to be rude, but seriously, WTF? I know it took me about an hour to figure out the in's and out's of the two systems, but I wasn't exactly enamored with the concept at first. Now I am, and I think I grasp it all pretty well. But for a big-time insurance company, shouldn't this be easy?

I mean, if they want to pay extra for the Guardian, I'll take it and hawk it on the diabetes black market (I'm kidding, there is no such thing that I am aware of).

Funnygrl · #23 (**permalink**) 07-16-2007, 12:06 PM

When the Dexcom sensors got 7 day approval, they went up in price. I wonder if the Guardian ones will too.

Funnygrl · #24 (**permalink**) 07-16-2007, 12:58 PM

My insurance approved me for a new pump. A clear 522 is on the way as soon as the doctor gets the prescription taken care of.

duck · #25 (**permalink**) 07-16-2007, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Funnygrl

My insurance approved me for a new pump. A clear 522 is on the way as soon as the doctor gets the prescription taken care of.

Congrats!

Why clear? I ask because I originally said Charcoal, but now I wonder if Clear would be better resistant to heat, or is the difference so negligible it doesn't matter? And for that matter, if Clear you can actually see the reservoir, would that be bad to expose it to light...on and on and on...

jimbob · #26 (**permalink**) 07-16-2007, 02:21 PM

Minimed pumps have a viewing window on the resivoir. I have a charcoal 722 and have never had any problems with heat or light.

Funnygrl · #27 (**permalink**) 07-16-2007, 02:28 PM

Like jimbob said, the reservoir has a window no matter what color you get, just like the Cozmo. I chose clear solely based on cosmetic preference. My friend has one that's clear and it looks very cool, and it will go with anything. I'm really excited, which is silly, cause I have a great pump already, but I am. I anticipate that the paradigm will be more comfortable to wear, so that will be interesting to see. I'm not too worried about heat or light, as I'm getting the 522, so I'll be changing the reservoir more often than I do now, and I don't have problems now.

duck · #28 (**permalink**) 07-16-2007, 02:54 PM

LOL, see how often I look at the BACK of my pump?

Maybe I'll get the Blue instead...my 508 was blue and I never had better luck ever than I did with that thing. Yeah, it must be the color.

JediSkipdogg · #29 (**permalink**) 07-16-2007, 02:58 PM

I'm curious for those that are ordering theirs now if you get the 3 day or the 7 day sensor compatible pump.

duck · #30 (**permalink**) 07-16-2007, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JediSkipdogg

I'm curious for those that are ordering theirs now if you get the 3 day or the 7 day sensor compatible pump.

Ahem! I asked about that today, and MM is waiting on official FDA approval, it is coming very, very soon. Word is out already that it is approved for 7-days, and certainly there are a number of users successfully using their sensors for 7-days, but MM can only as of right now tell you to use it the FDA-approved 3 days. But that will change any time now...