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07-22-2007, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by duck  Give it about half an hour and make sure you have enough available toilets... | They didn't bother me.. but then I only ate the two and I probably won't eat another one for 6 months. LOL
I am big on Splenda too, 99% of the stuff I do eat sugarfree has Splenda. I do try various things though.... I like trying new things. Natural ingredients or Splenda is my thing.
I had read about the laxative thing and have friends that told me about it, so anything I go near with it in it is extremely limited. 
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07-22-2007, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by pdxdennisj The carbs for regular and SF are not the same. The Regular have 53 cal and 8 carb per cookie.
The SF have (subtracting the fiber and 1/2 the sugar alcohols) 4.75 carbs and 50 cal. Diabetes dietitions suggest calculating 50% of the sugar alcohols because that is the average of the usable sugars in the various sugar alcohols. |
You can only subtract the fiber when there are 5 grams or more of fiber, and everyone's mileage varies with the sugar alcohols. Carbs are are carbs, and they should always be counted. It's the glycemic index that varies. If you want to eat that stuff, be my guest, but everyone really needs to stop kidding themselves about the so-called sugar-free products that are on the market. The term "sugar-free" means nothing, and is very dangerous, as it leads people to the wrong conclusion. You have to look at the gross carbs, as net carbs is also a term with no meaning. According to Donald Hensrud, M.D., a preventive medicine and nutrition specialist at Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minn: "Net carbs — a term not approved or defined by the FDA — is the total number of carbohydrates minus fiber, glycerin and sugar alcohols. Net carbs, like low carb, is a marketing phrase used by proponents of low-carb diets to show a reduced carbohydrate amount on their products. Their theory is that fiber, glycerin and sugar alcohols — which are all forms of carbohydrates — don't raise blood sugar, so they shouldn't be tallied when counting carbs. But in reality, glycerin and sugar alcohols can raise blood sugar to some extent, and these substances do contribute calories."
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07-22-2007, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Kubilee They didn't bother me.. but then I only ate the two and I probably won't eat another one for 6 months. LOL
I am big on Splenda too, 99% of the stuff I do eat sugarfree has Splenda. I do try various things though.... I like trying new things. Natural ingredients or Splenda is my thing.
I had read about the laxative thing and have friends that told me about it, so anything I go near with it in it is extremely limited. | The "- tols" bother me so much, just reading this thread makes my stomach go into knots...
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07-22-2007, 07:48 PM
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| | | I cannot stand the SUGAR FREE labeling of items like these. If I subtract the alcohol and/or fiber, then my sugar goes up. They all affect me. I have actually seen some (the brand ecapes me) "sugar free" hard candies that have more carbs/calories than its original counterpart.
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07-22-2007, 08:07 PM
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| | | The only thing I eat sugar free is soda, icepops, and yougart, I'll stick with regular oreo's, only 19 carbs for 2 cookies, and 16 carbs for sugar free, not worth it....i can bolus 3 extra carbs LOL......now the ice pops though for some reason, they don't affect my blood sugar at all, I can eat one and not have a rise period...so I dunno...
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07-22-2007, 09:03 PM
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| | | The reality is you eat the whole pack so the real test is eat a bag of regular and then test. Then wait a week and repeat with the suger free bag.
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07-22-2007, 09:18 PM
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| | | Well, guess I don't really want to get into a spitting contest here but I've never encounterd (and my endo never told me ) to only subtract fiber if it's over 5 grams. As for the sugar alcohols, "An American Dietetic Association publication recommends that persons with diabetes managing their blood sugars using the carbohydrate counting method “count half of the grams of sugar alcohol as carbohydrates since half of the sugar alcohol on average is digested.”
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07-22-2007, 10:00 PM
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| | | Eventhough I too have heard to only subtract fiber over 5 grams before, I think it is fair to say that the fiber and alcohols may affect each of us differently. I never subtract either, and it works fine for me.
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07-23-2007, 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by owlyn  Please. The carb/calorie/fat content difference between sugar free vs regular is negligible. Per cookie: | I don't know why, but I try to say this on as many threads as I can, and people can't seem to grasp it. Just because it says sugar-free, doesn't mean there are no carbs. LOOK at the nutrition label, NOT the label that is trying to get you to buy the product (ie the one that says sugar-free). The term sugar-free is used way too widely in these company's marketing.
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07-23-2007, 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by cheryl The only thing I eat sugar free is soda, icepops, and yougart, I'll stick with regular oreo's, only 19 carbs for 2 cookies, and 16 carbs for sugar free, not worth it....i can bolus 3 extra carbs LOL......now the ice pops though for some reason, they don't affect my blood sugar at all, I can eat one and not have a rise period...so I dunno...
Cheryl | I, too, eat SF ice pops and SF yogurt. These items are sweetened with no-carb sweeteners.
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07-23-2007, 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by pdxdennisj Well, guess I don't really want to get into a spitting contest here but I've never encounterd (and my endo never told me ) to only subtract fiber if it's over 5 grams. As for the sugar alcohols, "An American Dietetic Association publication recommends that persons with diabetes managing their blood sugars using the carbohydrate counting method “count half of the grams of sugar alcohol as carbohydrates since half of the sugar alcohol on average is digested.” | The 5 gram concept is from the American Diabetes Association. Here is a link Do I Subtract Fiber from Carbohydrates? - Diabetes Health
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07-23-2007, 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by AWarner Tasted my first today and you cannot tell the difference!
They make me feel like a very bad girl 
A serving is only 2 - so I don't want to waste my carbs allotment too often, but after one month with no sugar...they really taste sweeeeet. | PLEASE Those are NASTY!  The cookie part is NOWHERE near the same texture as the original, their is a strong after-taste,and they are the size of a quarter! As for kids not telling the difference..THEY WILL EAT CRAYONS! 
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07-23-2007, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by bryan42 PLEASE Those are NASTY! The cookie part is NOWHERE near the same texture as the original, their is a strong after-taste,and they are the size of a quarter! As for kids not telling the difference..THEY WILL EAT CRAYONS! | After reading the rest of this thread I'm now thinking that just have the normal Oreo's and go for a bike ride instead.   |
07-23-2007, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by owlyn You can only subtract the fiber when there are 5 grams or more of fiber, and everyone's mileage varies with the sugar alcohols. Carbs are are carbs, and they should always be counted. It's the glycemic index that varies. If you want to eat that stuff, be my guest, but everyone really needs to stop kidding themselves about the so-called sugar-free products that are on the market. The term "sugar-free" means nothing, and is very dangerous, as it leads people to the wrong conclusion. You have to look at the gross carbs, as net carbs is also a term with no meaning. According to Donald Hensrud, M.D., a preventive medicine and nutrition specialist at Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minn:[/i] |
Wow...you certainly are passionate.
I think most people here understand that in gross amounts..it's not good for you and that we need to count the carbs. The carbs was the first thing I looked at in the nutrient box. SF doesn't mean carb free, and we know that. It's not like I was encouraging people to be gluttons and most people are intelligent enough to know to stick to the serving size. But whats wrong with eating a couple SF cookies instead of the regular ones? Rice can be dangerous for diabetics too, ya know.
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07-23-2007, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by bryan42 PLEASE Those are NASTY! The cookie part is NOWHERE near the same texture as the original, their is a strong after-taste,and they are the size of a quarter! As for kids not telling the difference..THEY WILL EAT CRAYONS! | Actually, I didn't think so. And to me...the cookie part was crunchier.
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Daily Cocktail:
Metformin 500 mg x 2
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Omega-3, B-Complex, Women's Daily
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