[Fat Steve]

Ok so I take 60 units of lantus a day. Now..I also use 12 units of NovoRapid at Breakfast and Lunch......but i find I need 14 for dinner...does this sound like a lot of insulin to anyone?

I also take 2500g Metformin/day.

Hey I rattle and leak.

[KickStart101]

Hi Steve: If it counts up to 98 units, No. There have been over weight
Folks on here and still are who took that much Insulin and more. I
thought the one Guy was kidding when he said he took 120 units a day.
I'm not sure if they were on the 2500 Metiformin also though, sorry.

[ant hill]

Hello Steve, I am FAT!!! and I take 44U of Lantus and 70U of Novomix and it's tipical to have 30U of Novorapid. So don't think that you are alone on this.
I have good control but then I do need to rid of this weight and how do I go about it.

[Emm]

It does sound like a lot of insulin to me - but only because I use a lot less. We're all so different, you really can't compare.

Weight can cause insulin resistance - you don't have to be a T2 to have that.

How's your control? If it's all working, I wouldn't give a hoot about how much your taking!

[xMenace]

Met doesn't do much after 2000mg. That extra 500mg is probably a waste.

If you want to lose the weight and iprove, try a better diet and exercise program.

[Mich]

Hi Ant Hill,

I'm not fat but I fight it constantly. It would be so easy for me to give in and go for it on a long term basis. I ate too much chocolate over the holidays and taking off the 10-15 pounds I gained is MUCH tougher than putting it on! MUCH tougher and darn, it takes longer too. I like food and I love to cook. Here are some things that work for me.

When I finally notice (self-delusion is wonderful, isn't it?) that my jeans are getting to be a chore to put on, here is what I do:

Immediately start shrinking my stomach by eating portions 1/2 or less of normal. Drink lots of ice water or diet iced tea. I eat anything I want, just less.

Substitute sjugar free hard candies, no sugar added bread and butter pickles, diet peach iced tea and sugar-free popsicles for the chocolate., (Yeah, I know it's not the same... but I have a hard time eating just a little chocolate.)

WALK at least around the block or a comparable amount every day. One day you will feel like going a little farther. Do it. Any time you feel like going a little farther, do it. Play mind games with yourself. Listen to an IPOD and walk to the music. Divide your walk by landmarks and count "I'm halfway, three quarters of the way, etc." Don't go anywhere without your glucose tabs. If walking is painful, sit and take rests and go again. Ibuprofen or Aspirin can help before you go. It won't always be like that once you've got a few days under your belt.NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT IN LIFE THAN WALKING AT LEAST AROUND THE BLOCK. I use at least the down stairs whenever I can and make myself bend and stretch while doing housework. I park at the end of the grocery store parking lots.

Test test test. Your insignificant little walk will make your insulin work better and you may need to start reducing your dose.

Eating tricks:
Eat less any time you feel like it. Eat a multicolored salad at least once a day. I use real salad dressing. Use raw veggies with dips. Reduce carbs as mjuch as possible, Always get rid of one or both pieces of bread on a sandwich.(I eat egg salad with a spoon, no bread. I eat meatloaf with mayo spread on top, no bread. I take cheese cubes, celery and carrots in a baggie when I fly on a plane.) Stop eating before you are full and wait to see if you're full when it hits bottom. Take a few crystal light single serving packets to put in water bottles. Drink one while you are waitng to see if you are full. Eat soup for a meal. Eat a whole meal of bussells sprouts or broccoli with cheese or butter or a little salad dressing. Learn to like the healthy feel of being a little bit empty (not hungry, just not full.) If someone offers an irresistable dessert, eat one or two bites...just a taste. Remember that low sugar will make you feel hungry, Use glucose tabs to correct rather than real food.

Well, that was overwhelming, huh? I know all kinds of games to play with myself to keep my sugar and weight down.

Most important of all to paraphrase my ol' farmer dad (who always said to get back on the horse that threw you) is NEVER GIVE UP, just start again. Eventually it will work!

Good Luck!

[Emm]

Mich I think you just gave the best advice for losing weight that I've ever seen

[ant hill]

Hey Mitch, Thanks for that. I am about to do a course on Carb Counting though D.A.F.N.E. which you learn to manipulate insulin and food values. Once that I have masted that then I can eat less. As we know that you start eating less then insulin will have an undesired effect so knowledge is power!!!

[shiftzor]

Originally Posted by Fat Steve

Ok so I take 60 units of lantus a day. Now..I also use 12 units of NovoRapid at Breakfast and Lunch......but i find I need 14 for dinner...does this sound like a lot of insulin to anyone?

I also take 2500g Metformin/day.

Hey I rattle and leak.

I have taken that much before a meal when i was just starting out. So i agree with everyone else its not abnormal.

Originally Posted by ant hill

Hello Steve, I am FAT!!! and I take 44U of Lantus and 70U of Novomix and it's tipical to have 30U of Novorapid. So don't think that you are alone on this.
I have good control but then I do need to rid of this weight and how do I go about it.

To lose weight go play a sport, even golfing, get a dog and go walking, any physical exercise is good, find something you enjoy and stick to it. Another part is a healthy diet. Healthy diet in my opinion = little bit of everything including the bad stuff and green stuff. There is plenty of websites out there that tell you what a healthy diet is. Good luck.

[ant hill]

Originally Posted by shiftzor

There is plenty of websites out there that tell you what a healthy diet is. Good luck.

Thanks Shiftzor, Yes I do walk a fair bit but there is the common habit that I have to break and that's to eat small.

Also to look at this course that will help me understand food values.

[Mich]

Peter,

The sad but tre fact for us diabetically-inclined folks is that it's a two- sided challenge. We have to count carbs, but we have to know how fast they get into our system so that we can match our insulin to what we've eaten.

Basically, everything but butter, oil & cream has carbs but if there is enough fiber or fat, they are absorbed more slowly. Some even slowly enough that you need to take a little bit longer -acting insulin, or if you exercise, no insulin at all for your meal. This is why Dr Bernstein recommends using "regular" (15 min to six hours) rather than fast acting (10 min to 2 or 3 hours) insulin with his very low carb diet. Check out Mark from Tennessee's posts and page for more on that. Those of us on a pump have the extended bolus choice, which serves the same purpose.

A good reference for how fast various foods enter yiur system is the glycemic index (google it.) I have a printed out one on the side of my refrigerator, but it soon becomes second nature.

I carry the Calorie King book in my car. It has enough things listed that you can extrapolate carb values for things that aren't there.

I've never been officially taught how to count carbs, (I started out with the "Exchange List" system.) Carb counting is pretty simple if you keep in mind that refined grains and sugars are the highest carb items, requiring quick correction. The seedier the bread, the better it is for you because it digests more slowly.

If you are trying to lose weight, keep in mind that insulin's job is to store fat so you can run away from lions, tigers and bears. The less you can take of it without running a high blood sugar, the faster you will lose weight. To accomplish this, you must eat a diet that doesn't require a lot of mealtime insulin. Salads, green veggies, etc.

And test, test, test until you get used to correcting for a low-carb, low-glycemic diet.

I can tell by your posts that you are a smart guy--you don't need no stinkin' carb counting lessons... (To paraphrase one of my favorite movies... Blazing Saddles.) Best of luck and keep on walkin!

Mich

[ant hill]

Originally Posted by Mich

Peter,

The sad but tre fact for us diabetically-inclined folks is that it's a two- sided challenge. We have to count carbs, but we have to know how fast they get into our system so that we can match our insulin to what we've eaten.

"To che"

A good reference for how fast various foods enter yiur system is the glycemic index (google it.) I have a printed out one on the side of my refrigerator, but it soon becomes second nature.

A good idea!!

If you are trying to lose weight, keep in mind that insulin's job is to store fat so you can run away from lions, tigers and bears. The less you can take of it without running a high blood sugar, the faster you will lose weight.

That's so true as I figure that the more insulin that I inject the more fat that I accumulate or rather my body has the potential to accept weight.

To accomplish this, you must eat a diet that doesn't require a lot of mealtime insulin. Salads, green veggies, etc.

Ahh!! I see now.

And test, test, test until you get used to correcting for a low-carb, low-glycemic diet.

I have had a video that explains low carb is the way to go.

I can tell by your posts that you are a smart guy--you don't need no stinkin' carb counting lessons... (To paraphrase one of my favorite movies... Blazing Saddles.) Best of luck and keep on walkin!

Heh, I love that movie as it's so funny but you can be too strict and so the odd pizza would not hurt so reward your efforts. Thanks Mitch, Nowonder that Tony has you in his sig.