Honeymoon coming to a end - Page 2

Funnygrl · #16 (**permalink**) 07-02-2007, 06:03 AM

Do they really call it the "honeymoon" phase with type 1.5? I got the impression that honeymoon describes a bonus with type 1, but not having a dead pancreas right away is expected with type 1.5.

dbc · #17 (**permalink**) 07-10-2007, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Funnygrl

Do they really call it the "honeymoon" phase with type 1.5? I got the impression that honeymoon describes a bonus with type 1, but not having a dead pancreas right away is expected with type 1.5.

I suspect it means different things to different people - I take it to mean the period between diagnosis as T1/T1.5 and the time that your beta cells no longer produce any insulin at all. In "normal" T1 that could be anything from a few weeks to a few months, for T1.5 anything from a few months to many years.

Just had my first A1c since starting Lantus 4 months ago, was expecting a number around 5.8% based on my testing, but it came out at 6.5%. Starting on apidra now. So here goes with the whole carb-counting thing....

Kimber · #18 (**permalink**) 07-20-2007, 12:52 PM

dbc,
My endo explained it to me the same way. "Honeymoon" is the time between diagnosis and when the last of your beta cells finally stop working altogether. That is when I will stop using the orals (metformin and actos) and add bolus doses of insulin. Anyone out there get a different explanation?
kimber

Kimber · #19 (**permalink**) 07-24-2007, 11:41 AM

DBC,
Do you really think reaching 150 every day is good? I ask because I have had to really work hard to keep my daily carb intake to a max of 50 to 60 to try to keep my numbers in control. Perhaps I am being unrealistic in trying to get control of my numbers (hoping for 70 to 120 with only a few "oops" times a month going out of bounds) Do all (most?) type 1 diabetics accept 150 or 210 (I see this daily) every day and say ,"I am doing well." ? I have only had the big D for a few months and don't yet know what is do-able and what is unrealistic. Should I just shrug and accept that 150 daily is the best diabetics can do? Am I setting my goals too high? I find that about 4 hours later my numbers do come down, but they go up there every day. Heaven help me if I were to eat more than 60 carbs a day!!!
kimber

Libby · #20 (**permalink**) 08-02-2007, 06:07 PM

I was diagnosed with LADA about 5 months ago. I am not on any basal insulin but have rapid acting to use with meals. Before I started on Novolog, my BG went up to 160-180 after meals even with a small amount of carbs (anything over about 8g) I do really low carb meals most of the time and never go above 120, even one hour after eating. My understanding of what happens with LADA is that the first phase insulin response if the first thing to go. That's what kicks in for non-diabetics as soon as they start eating and prevents those post prandial spikes. People, even doctors, sometimes say that spiking to 150 is normal after meals but it isn't. I've tested lots of friends and they never go up much above 100. I have read that if you keep your BG in the normal range, and avoid more than a 20-30 point swing, you can keep some beta cell function for a long time. My A1C was 7.2 at diagnosis, now it's 5.6 by avoiding the meal time spikes.

Axiom · #21 (**permalink**) 08-31-2007, 09:51 AM

an hba1c of 5.7 corresponds to an average of 126mg/dl not according to these guys 104mg/dl
Tools: Convert HbA1c to Average Blood Sugar Level

Catcount · #22 (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 01:48 AM

Hi Lethal
Sorry to hear your news, but I read that statistically T1.5 after 3 to 4 years on orals have to move on and take Insulin of one sort or another. I'm one of those after 4 years; Lantus basal and Novelet Bolus. I want to try a one shot of Lantus or maybe a 50/50 split am and pm. I'll ask the question on the board to see if anybody has tried this

Take care
Catcount

Take care
Catcount

bklynborn54 · #23 (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 06:48 AM

I was diagnosed in 2000 started on oral agents. Did well then per doc went off oral agents, did well for awhile now all of a sudden I have begun having symptoms agis. I bought a meter yesterday and my BG before dinner was 175 after it was 146 at bedtime it was 258. I have an appt with the doc on the 15th but feel crummy and could use a little support. I have really been in denial about this whole thing.............I am a nurse and know what to tell other people but somehow and having a hard time accepting this for myself.

Simon · #24 (**permalink**) 10-03-2007, 04:57 AM

Well I've tested non-diabetics 30 mins after eating a meal and they've reached 10 mmol/l (180 mg/dl).

I've been honey mooning for 2 years now. Basal has come down in that time from 8 IU to 4 IU. Bolus went from 25 g/IU to 15 g/IU then back to 25 g/IU. It can be frustrating chasing shifts in requirements but it's probably better than having no insulin of your own at all.

Funnygrl · #25 (**permalink**) 10-03-2007, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Simon

Well I've tested non-diabetics 30 mins after eating a meal and they've reached 10 mmol/l (180 mg/dl).

I've been honey mooning for 2 years now. Basal has come down in that time from 8 IU to 4 IU. Bolus went from 25 g/IU to 15 g/IU then back to 25 g/IU. It can be frustrating chasing shifts in requirements but it's probably better than having no insulin of your own at all.

I wonder how long they're gonna stay non-diabetic for.

I know many people believe normal people go up to 180, but I just don't buy that. When 200 is diagnostic of diabetes, 180 has to be at least pre-diabetes.

lethal · #26 (**permalink**) 01-24-2008, 03:14 PM

Thought i would drop a line and tell yars how i'm going.

I've gained weight (about time)weighing in at 91kg.
Dosage is 22units of lantus,9units of nova every meal per day.

hb1c is at 5 which is execellent i think esp for the amount of food i eat and i still eat a bit of junk food to (hehe).

Had a few hypo's lowest being 1.9 and it was terrible for a few hrs.My levels usually run around the low 3's anyway and i feel really good at this level.I can tell when im getting low because i get this real tangy thing in my mouth and when this happens i usually test and i'l be around 3 to 2.5,so i start taking some jellybeans which i love esp the blue and yellow ones.

Anyway time to go now as i'm on nightshift tonight.!!!!!!!!

xMenace · #27 (**permalink**) 01-24-2008, 03:19 PM

Sounds like the honeymoon finally ended

Y'all come back now, y'hear?

ljg17 · #28 (**permalink**) 04-15-2008, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Funnygrl

I wonder how long they're gonna stay non-diabetic for.

I know many people believe normal people go up to 180, but I just don't buy that. When 200 is diagnostic of diabetes, 180 has to be at least pre-diabetes.

I agree, I think a lot more people have diabetes then the Dr's are diagnosing. I have tested non-diabetics after meals and they are never above 100.