[jrcskb]

I just wanted to let you all know who may not already. Also, thanks to all that contacted your Senators - please thank them for their support.

The next action should be to contact the President and urge him not to veto.

The other bills passed 100-0.

[BriOnH]

Originally Posted by jrcskb

I just wanted to let you all know who may not already. Also, thanks to all that contacted your Senators - please thank them for their support.

The next action should be to contact the President and urge him not to veto.

The other bills passed 100-0.

Contact the president, and urge him to veto. I am pretty sure he will anyhow, given his past track record.

[lgvincent]

You know he'll veto. I can't remember how many votes it takes to override a veto, it seems like 67(?). If that's the case, this one is a lost cause since it didn't get that many votes to begin with.

[lgvincent]

Yep, two-thirds of the Senate and House must vote for passage of a bill in order to override a veto so it's not going to happen since only 63 voted for it to begin with.

[Lex4153]

Politics, ughhh! Isn't our government supposed to represent the people?? But no, our government represents Pres Bush. Forget what the people of the U.S. want (and need!). Forget what the Senate and House pass. We will all live according to Pres Bush's values. What a democratic society we live in, huh?

[spike]

Originally Posted by BriOnH

Contact the president, and urge him to veto. I am pretty sure he will anyhow, given his past track record.

Bush listens to WHO, exactly? Besides himself, I mean.

[Belinda]

Originally Posted by spike

Bush listens to WHO, exactly? Besides himself, I mean.

With those ears he only has to listen to himself.......

[JediSkipdogg]

I was actually watching this on C-Span today as they were talking about it. It's easy to tell which Senators are cool and which are the dicks of the Senate. One person even stood up and said something like "I support the President of the United States and since I know he's going to veto this, I'm going to go ahead and vote no so we don't need to waste his precious time vetoing it."

I forget which state that person was for, but I wanted to jump through the TV at him and just wack him one for him kissing Bush's ***. It'll be interesting though when it does get vetoed how many people change their vote to a yes vote just to despise Bush (which some said they will.)

[vrocco1]

Originally Posted by spike

Bush listens to WHO, exactly? Besides himself, I mean.

He is listening to the children that won't be born because of this bill. Don't get your hopes up for stem cell research. There is nothing there but politics, and unrealized hope.

[spike]

Originally Posted by vrocco1

He is listening to the children that won't be born because of this bill. Don't get your hopes up for stem cell research. There is nothing there but politics, and unrealized hope.

But, but, but, I WOULD like to see some real advances in diabetes treatment and stem cell research would be a super addition for research. Wadda ya think??

[Lex4153]

Stem cell research typically uses embryos that are thrown away anyhow. They are not "children not being born". They would not have been born anyway.

[JediSkipdogg]

Originally Posted by Lex4153

Stem cell research typically uses embryos that are thrown away anyhow. They are not "children not being born". They would not have been born anyway.

The MAIN problem is they think females, mainly low class poverty level ones, will sleep around more spreading more STDs and then go and sell off their unborn fetuses. That is the main problem with embryonic stem cell research. Some medical research companies will want massive amounts of embryo's to research on and the easiest way is to buy them and pay people directly for them. And since it's a huge debated issue if an unborn child is a living creature yet, it's really debatable if that's ethical and even punishable criminally.

I think the above will only happen in a very small portion of people, but it would happen. That's why I wish there would be some laws placed into effect about what an unborn child is instead of us arguing if a man and woman can be married. It's like let's argue on ethical items that have no real effect on a life but the ones that do (abortion) we are not even going to talk about.

[Lex4153]

"Stem cells can be extracted from very young human embryos -- typically from surplus frozen embryos left over from in-vitro fertilization (IVF) procedures at fertility clinics. A couple undergoing IVF is faced with four alternatives for their 16 or so surplus embryos:

Have them discarded.
Donate the embryos to another infertile couple in what is sometimes called "embryo adoption.".
Donate the embryos for research
Have the embryos preserved at very low temperatures.

There are very few parents willing to give their embryos to another couple for a variety of emotional reasons. There are very few couples willing to receive them for emotional reasons and because thawed embryos have such a low chance of starting a pregnancy. Preservation can be expensive. So most ask that they be discarded."

http://www.religioustolerance.org/res_stem.htm


As for what Jedi said above . . . I usually always agree with you but not this time I'm afraid. People often want to donate their embryos to stem cell research but they do not accept donations. They have no need to buy embryos either. There are so many "leftover" embryos from fertility treatments that are discarded everyday that there is no market for them. It would be up to the couple who is doing the fertility treatment if they wish to donate the "leftover" embryos to stem cell research.

[BriOnH]

is there anyway to debate this in one thread instead of two?

[Lex4153]

Brian, you got a debate for me? I'm ready. Bring it. LOL