High fat / BG trends

Raisin · #1 (**permalink**) 04-03-2007, 06:14 PM

I'm wondering if others have the following issue with eating fatty / fried foods:
-I count the total carbs, then give myself a bolus of approx 70% of what I would if I had a non-fat meal. If I attempt to start a dual wave instantly, I end up going low within the first couple of hours, then by the 3rd or 4th hour, my BGs skyrocket.
-Example: This past Saturday night, I ate a hamburger with fried french fries and a chocolate shake (yes, I was very bad, but my weight and cholesteral are not an issue). I gave myself 70% with a dual wave of 0.6/hr. At first, my sugar levels rose, but by the start of the 2nd hr, my sugar levels fell to 70 and stayed there until the 4th hr. Within 45 min, my BG rose by 115. I've gotten so used to this that I know how large of a bolus I need to get it back down (3.0 units to get it to stop rising and another 2 to get it back to normal which is a lot of insulin for me). I just hate having to remind myself after 3 hrs to give myself a large bolus else suffer the consequences and today's pumps don't allow for this type of dual / square wave needs. Thanks for the advice.

xMenace · #2 (**permalink**) 04-03-2007, 06:20 PM

How confident are you in your basal rates? If you skip a meal, do you stay flat until the next meal?

Your numbers look like whacky rates to me, and I want to make sure you discount this possibility before experimenting.

High fat doesn't really seem to affect my bgs, but I eat pretty low fat fare. High protein sure does.

Raisin · #3 (**permalink**) 04-03-2007, 07:10 PM

No problems with basal rates.

I've always had this issue with high fats for dinner after 4 PM. No BG problems when I eat low fat meals or fast. I love pizza, but it is my all time enemy for BGs at dinner.

Thanks for the input.

ant hill · #4 (**permalink**) 04-03-2007, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Raisin

No problems with basal rates.

I've always had this issue with high fats for dinner after 4 PM. No BG problems when I eat low fat meals or fast. I love pizza, but it is my all time enemy for BGs at dinner.

Thanks for the input.

FAT In anyform wether it's on you or what you eat will slow down. Chocolate for a start is a good example, Fat and sugar and keep you high for a long time. But if you move or do any exersize then you will shake that high figures. Don't think that insulin will keep you at your desiered level. So the answer is get active!!!

REDLAN · #5 (**permalink**) 04-04-2007, 12:43 AM

not on a pump, but I get the same problem when eating meals high in fat. A low around the 2 hour mark, followed by a gradual rise in BG over the next 3-5 hours.

Unfortunately the new faster acting insulins do not work very well with these kinds of meals.

I've also found that eating a large meal has the same kind of effect, regardless of relative fat content.

Cyborg · #6 (**permalink**) 04-04-2007, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Raisin

-Example: This past Saturday night, I ate a hamburger with fried french fries and a chocolate shake (yes, I was very bad, but my weight and cholesteral are not an issue).

I'm sorry, but if you play with fire, you're going to get burnt. Eat healthy and you won't have to deal with issues like that. The complications are not worth taking the risk, IMO...

greengirl · #7 (**permalink**) 04-04-2007, 08:12 AM

Yikes! If you finished all of them, then no wonder. Seriously, I agree with Cybrg, if you play with fire you'll get burned. That said I love love love pizza. I limit myself to one slice, and do a 40/60 bolus over 6hrs30mis, 90% of the time it works great. I think 70% upfront is a lot to bolus for a high fat meal.