[BlueSky]

I don't think big pharma money will stop better T1 diabetes treatments getting to market. But I agree that conventional medical opinion is orchestrated by these vested interests, often to the detriment of natural and common sense treatments. The use of low-carb eating to treat diabetes is a case in point. Eating low-carb is the obvious common-sense way to improve glycemic control. But this has never been suggested to me by a medical professional.

Another area where this happens big time is in cancer treatment. Early in the last century, Choley's Toxins were being used successfully to treat cancer, with about a 50% success rate. It is a natural cure in that the power of the immune system is harnessed and used to destroy the cancer. This method was rejected by mainstream oncology and consigned to obscurity when radiation therapy and chemotherapy became available. This was in spite of these treatments being incredibly destructive, having a success rate that is no better, and costing huge amounts of money. It costs about $30 to produce enough Choley's Toxin to treat 100 patients.

Another treatment that has been ignored, is IPT (Insulin Potentiation Therapy). It is used in conjunction with chemo but means that much smaller doses are required. Because the way it works it is not well understood, mainstream oncologists won't use it. Many of them probably haven't even heard of IPT. It now falls under the "alternative medicine" umbrella, and big pharma would no doubt like it to stay there.

A third cancer treatment that is studiously ignored by mainstream oncology is the simple ketogenic diet. Cancer cells require glucose to multiply, and denying them this nutrient slows progression of the cancer down (the so-called Warburg Effect). Of course there is no money to be made out of this, and most oncologists don't even know about it. The Warburg effect was discovered in the 30's, and earned Warburg a Nobel prize. But the idea never caght on - I wonder why? Interestingly, it seems to have re-surfaced recently as a number of trials are currently being done on using a ketogenic diet to treat cancer.

At the heart of the problem is the fundamental philosphy of allopathic medicine. It is the notion that sickness can be cured by intervening with the way the body works. The pharmaceutical industry is built on the belief that anything can be fixed with drugs. And it goes to great lengths to ensure that this belief gets sronger all the time.

[JediSkipdogg]

Originally Posted by BlueSky

At the heart of the problem is the fundamental philosphy of allopathic medicine. It is the notion that sickness can be cured by intervening with the way the body works. The pharmaceutical industry is built on the belief that anything can be fixed with drugs. And it goes to great lengths to ensure that this belief gets sronger all the time.

I don't think it's all due to the pharmaceutical industry or doctors but patients as well. The last time I went to a hospital or doctor's office for a cough/cold/sore throat was about 10 years ago. And I've had plenty, generally about 3-4 times a year I get pretty sick but not enough to stop me from going to work and/or living a normal life. I let my body treat itself and build up the immune system with some over the counter medications.

Yet I have a co-worker that goes to a doctor's office when she sneezes and asks for a medication. Not only is she a drain on the health insurance industry but she promotes the big pharmaceutical companies.

So I think alot comes in people thinking that medication cures everything. Look up some research on vitamin B17 and it's prevention of cancer. In old times eating Apricots was huge, not in modern days they are rarely eaten and when they are people cut the core/seeds out which is where the B17 is, and look, we have a rise in cancer.

It'd be interesting what other food items we eat less and less of each day and have seen an increase in diseases from.

[ant hill]

Originally Posted by princesslinda

Darian and Sedita, kudos to you both on keeping a lively and interesting debate going on without letting it escalate into something "personal." I've came back to this post several times to read the responses and I applaud you both for your courteous, intelligent and well-thought-out responses. Nothing like a good debate!

Yes Linda!!, I too enjoy this fabulous debate. Keep it up guys!!

Originally Posted by JediSkipdogg

Yet I have a co-worker that goes to a doctor's office when she sneezes and asks for a medication. Not only is she a drain on the health insurance industry but she promotes the big pharmaceutical companies.

Yes and how many people do that, quite a few I can imagine so the industry is based on that need rather than the cure.

So I think alot comes in people thinking that medication cures everything.

Indeed...

Look up some research on vitamin B17 and it's prevention of cancer. In old times eating Apricots was huge, not in modern days they are rarely eaten and when they are people cut the core/seeds out which is where the B17 is, and look, we have a rise in cancer.

I would most likely to have an apple rather than the pill, It's a wonder if there is a study on what foods influence the body other than the pharmaceutical products.

It'd be interesting what other food items we eat less and less of each day and have seen an increase in diseases from.

MMMmmm...... Indeed.

[xMenace]

I found the perfect cure tonight! Too bad it wears off

[Jan B]

Originally Posted by xMenace

I found the perfect cure tonight! Too bad it wears off

I like their Merlot. Enjoy!

[MJB]

I don't buy into the conspiracy theories. If it were so, I doubt that humanity would have all but eliminated diseases like polio and smallpox.

FWIW when diagnosed my doc told me to watch the carbs, exercise and lose weight. None of this advice would push drug use. Also, he was more than happy to reduce my meds as I started better control of my Diabetes.

Science (medicine) has limits. If we could "cure" everything we would all be immortal.

[RemJet]

If everyone is so frustrated about believing that big pharma is keeping diabetes alive than why don't we all start a revolt where once a month we all fast and obstain from taking insulin to hurt their bottom line

[DCaplinger]

Originally Posted by MJB

I don't buy into the conspiracy theories. If it were so, I doubt that humanity would have all but eliminated diseases like polio and smallpox.

Ah, I was waiting for that argument to come to light. The pharmaceutical companies had nothing to do with the cure for smallpox or polio... medical doctors, working to end those epidemics, created the vaccines. That was back in the day when doctors did research for the good of man, not for the good of their pocket books.

Also, you are now the 3rd person to say that it's a conspiracy theory. I'm here to tell you that it's no theory. Everything I have said is fact. There is no supposition about it. Anyway, I'm not your father. There are obviously some who choose to ignore the facts, or are too blinded by the misinformation to be able to see the facts for what they are. In either event, I won't waste my time trying to convince you.

In the mean time, anyone that wishes to seriously debate this issue, or wishes to learn more, please feel free to contact me privately.

Regards,

[DCaplinger]

Oops, that previous post didn't come out the way I intended it in tone or in gesture.

I meant to say, that those that want more information regarding the subject, contact me privately. As for the debate, bring it on, I'm always up for a lively debate.

I did mean what I said though, I'm not here trying to convince you, nor do I intend to shove my feelings down your throat, so, if anyone feels it gets to that point, please say so and I'll shut it down.

I respect everyones opinions. I in no way wish to take away from the validity of anyones beliefs or convictions, just as I would have others respect my own opinions and feelings. You are all like family to me, and I have your back, regardless how you come down on this topic.

I know it sounds corny, but I think it only fair for the establishment, to mention that the opinions expressed here are those of the individual posters only, and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the forum owners and administrators. I have mentioned no products by name, nor will I. I am not here to slam any individual product, company or employee of any company associated therein.

I am a debater. I have been told I would argue with a stop sign, merely for the sake of arguing. It's probably true. LOL. However, the sole intent is to make you stop and think for a moment, before you blindly accept anything you hear or see or are told, as fact or safe for consumption. Never be afraid to ask questions. Never be afraid to doubt the establishment, afterall, the only person you can guarantee is out for your best interest... is you.

Regards,

[ant hill]

If the Big Parma has it's way there will be no cure as there will be a lot of money will be lost.

[ant hill]

Originally Posted by xMenace

I found the perfect cure tonight! Too bad it wears off

LOL John, If it was that simple.

[shiftzor]

Surly aren’t we missing something here? If big pharmaceutical companies were the only companies funding research then I would believe you, lucky for us they aren't, governments play a big role as well.

There is a lot of money being thrown about and as in business everyone wants to make/save money. A cure surly has to come from either a company researching for competitive gain, to destroy its competition in the market and gain as much revenue as possible or a government funded research project. Yes these big companies won’t go down without a fight however that’s not to say that a cure is impossible, don’t forget that we are talking about a global "problem". Sure you can block it in America but the rest of the world doesn’t automatically stop searching for the cure, stem cell research is a case in point.

While this keeps happening the more new cures get blocked the greater the chances of someone else finding it and coining it as their own. I am no expert on this as you can probably tell. I am an optimist, “where there is a will there is a way”.

[viranth]

I agree with shiftzor, it's not only the big pharma's that are funding and researching diseases.

Yes they do put a lot of money into it, but other important studies are also being done all around the world.

Here in norway, they give out money every year to people doing studies. I even think most countries in europe does so too.

Maybe we won't see a cure, but better treatment. I hope I won't have to take shots all day when I retire (40+ years). But maybe then I have to take a shot every month, or maybe just a few pills in the morning...

[MJB]

Originally Posted by DCaplinger

Ah, I was waiting for that argument to come to light. The pharmaceutical companies had nothing to do with the cure for smallpox or polio... medical doctors, working to end those epidemics, created the vaccines. That was back in the day when doctors did research for the good of man, not for the good of their pocket books.

Also, you are now the 3rd person to say that it's a conspiracy theory. I'm here to tell you that it's no theory. Everything I have said is fact. There is no supposition about it. Anyway, I'm not your father. There are obviously some who choose to ignore the facts, or are too blinded by the misinformation to be able to see the facts for what they are. In either event, I won't waste my time trying to convince you.

In the mean time, anyone that wishes to seriously debate this issue, or wishes to learn more, please feel free to contact me privately.

Regards,

Darian, why don't you simply post the facts here as you say you have them, as well as your sources and/or first hand experience? I'm sure we would all like to know them, no need to take it off the forum, is there?

I'm not trying to be a wise guy, really I'm not, why don't you just share what you know with this whole forum?

I have no facts to support my belief that there is no conspiracy, it's just my opinion as I choose to believe there are still medical professionals doing ethical research.

Let me be clear, I don't not believe you, as I really don't know. But if you do know, I think we would all like to hear about it.

Thanks, and please know that I mean no offense, sometimes internet forum posts can appear harsh and I don't mean it that way at all.