[JediSkipdogg]

That's just sad but in my opinion it falls under the same lines as some parents don't do child immunization and then when they get to the hospital they still don't want the immunization and would rather let the child die. I'm all about faith, but there's sometimes when medical science is much more reliable.

[SarahRenee]

Originally Posted by Jan B

God gave us many tools (doctors included) and a brain (our own) to use. I think the other kids should be taken from these disgusting parents.

Exactly! Having faith I believe is doing everything you can and trusting that God will take care of everything.

Originally Posted by Jan B

I think the other kids should be taken from these disgusting parents.

I can't believe these people sat there and let their child die. That blows my mind! That poor girl.

[jen_slc]

I only became aware of this story this evening. It absolutely disgusts me.

There is a lot of blame flying around (rightly so), but why are we tiptoeing around the obvious? That religion itself is ultimately to blame? Sounds harsh, but regular, old run-of-the-mill, mild, moderate religion helps to foster religious extremes by teaching that unquestioning faith is a virtue, that you don't have to justify what you believe. It's an open door to terrible events such as this.

Just my two cents.

[dar917]

I heard this a couple of days ago; this makes me very angry. It's fine to have a spiritual side, and I don't care what religion you are, but this is going way too far and I'm tired of hearing stories like this.

The other children should be taken away. We know T1 is often genetic, and more than one sibling in a family can often get it. What happens if, down the road one of the others gets it and they do the same thing? There will be a lot more people in trouble because they didn't do anything about it when they had the chance.

Someone in another forum posted a link saying this is legal in Wisconsin. D: I think another part of the problem is the authorities don't want to step on anyone's toes when it comes to raising their own children.

[Dewey]

Originally Posted by grace girl

Two parents and anyone else within their religious circle are now responsible for murder.
And yet again the face of Christianity and God have been discredited by foolishness and ignorance.
These things disturb me on many, many levels.

Holly said it very well. I believe in God & I've said that prayer helps on many levels (when I was helping Carwy with his Cancer, and at other times). That said, to live on prayer Alone is extremely foolish. I don't get why religious people get so caught up in their beliefs that they refuse to see the forest through the trees. If they want to go by their religious beliefs, they could see & say that God gave people the intelligence to create good treatments for those with almost any ailment, rather than trying to solely "pray" it away.

This is also why I get extremely frustrated with Religion itself....because people interpret it in such extreme ways that they become ignorant. In the recent past, I complained about a guy saying that my Diabetes was "the work of the devil" & that if I came to his church, I could be healed (Yeah, right - NOT). In my book, it doesn't work that way. We need insulin or other treatments to help us control it & to live! I for one, do not believe that Diabetes is/was the work of the devil. If it were, I would NEVER have met so many wonderful people & I Darn sure wouldn't have taken better care of my health, nor would I have been able to help Carwy with his conditions!

Last but certainly not least, I think Native Americans had the right idea about Religion(s)...

"We do not want churches. They will teach us to quarrel about God. We do not want that." - Chief Joseph, Nez Perce

Basically what he meant was all the Religions and them quarreling about the differences in beliefs. And he was 100% right in that many do quarrel about God (and their beliefs).

**I mean no offense toward anyone here who are strong in their faith. The above are my opinions based on personal experiences and personal beliefs.**

[TenderVittleS]

Wow! I can't believe I just read that. How stupid can people be in this country? God Bless that girl.

[pokie]

I was horrified when I read about that poor girl. I hope they lock up the parents; and find a loving home for the remaining children. God gives us children with the expectation that we will do right by them, and do everything in our power to keep them safe from harm. Those parents failed the test; they failed that poor child. Just awful...

[pari]

I am shoking after reading this.It is very bizarre because it was happened in US.It perhaps could true in poor uncivilized developing country but not in US.

[Ronin]

Everyone:

As one trained in religion, I don't actually find this story unbeleivable. The simple fact is that a lot of people who claim to be "beleivers" actually beleive in Holy Magic more than in The Divine Creator of the Universe (DCU).

This phenomenon is not limited to Christians as it is seen in all religions around the world. They see Holy Magic as the panacea for everything and will not accept the fact that the DCU endowed humans with the skills necessary to heal maladies (albeit not all of them).

Yes, there are recorded cases of miracles, but they are few and far between. The problem of Holy Magic is that when it doesn't work the blame for failure falls on the victim because his/her faith was not sufficient to warrant a healing.

I'd love to punish the parents as well, but I also realize that the parents have been punished by the death of their child. The minister lurking in the background has also lost a major PR battle. That being said, the state does have the right to argue child abuse and declare the parents unfit. However, the minister gets away with his assertions that somebody's faith failed.

[Eddy]

This incident and the ensuing discussion remind me of an apropos joke. Hopefully it's not taken in an offensive context, but rather as a parable...

A large flood was coming, and many people were evacuating town. One man showed no interest in leaving.

"I'm not worried," he said, "G-d will take care of me."

One of the neighbors saw the man, just sitting contentedly on the front porch.

"Hop in!" called the neighbor. "We'll give you a ride!"

The man just shook his head, declining the offer. "G-d will take care of me!"

Sure enough, the flood came. As the waters rose higher, the man sought refuge on his top floor. As he looked out the window, yet another evacuee was passing by on a boat.

"I'll come get you!" hollered the boater.

The stubborn man shook his head, replying, "Thanks, but G-d will take care of me!"

The flood waters continued to rise. At this point, the man had been forced to climb to the top of his roof. A search-and-rescue helicopter flying overhead spotted him, and sent down a rescuer with a basket.

The man declined to be hoisted up: "No... no... G-d will take care of me."

The waters got higher, and the man was swept away, drowning in the process.

When he reached the afterlife, he was stunned. He asked G-d, "Why didn't you take care of me?"

To this G-d replied, "I sent you a truck, a boat, and even a helicopter... what were you waiting for?!"

[jerryn]

I don't know if you want my reaction.. but....
The parents should be forced to drink 10 gallons of pure corn syrup, denied any water, and just pray that they don't die.

Idiots.