just wondering

KrisinNM · #1 (**permalink**) 01-20-2005, 07:13 AM

I was just wondering if anyone knows if there is a correlation between being a "morning person" and the intensity if Dawn Phenomena? I have been a morning person all my long life and my sugars start rising the minute I wake up, even with a big jump in basal rate starting an hour before my usual waking time.

rzrbks · #2 (**permalink**) 01-20-2005, 07:24 AM

Good point.

I, on the other hand, am a middle of the night person and have no problem with "Dawn Phenomenon." But then, I don't think my body even knows what Dawn is.

Unless you're talking about Dawn Wells, and in that case...............{{walks away whistling Sweet Mystery of Life}}

duck · #3 (**permalink**) 01-20-2005, 08:08 AM

That is very interesting! I am NOT a morning person, and have never struggled with Dawn Phenomenon...

Clint · #4 (**permalink**) 01-20-2005, 08:42 AM

I am a morning person and I seem to have this issue as well...

rzrbks · #5 (**permalink**) 01-20-2005, 09:43 AM

Just Googled "Dawn Phenomenon" for images and got this

nantomsuethom · #6 (**permalink**) 01-20-2005, 09:49 AM

and Thomas is a morning person and does have dp issues

I just raised his morning basal not that long ago, the highest basal of the day

interesting

Harold · #7 (**permalink**) 01-21-2005, 12:44 AM

Dawn time to go to bed.

HeatherP · #8 (**permalink**) 01-21-2005, 08:56 AM

I don't know if I'd be called a morning person, but I do wake up pretty fast. My sugars go south pretty easily after taking my insulin. I have had a number of dangerous hypos in the a.m.'s (back when I was on N). I do have problems sometimes w/ my fasting sugars. Seems like I'm sort of the opposite of Kris.

Heather

debaroo · #9 (**permalink**) 01-24-2005, 04:23 PM

yup im the dawn person to ...in fact i test sometimes at 3am and im fine perfect reading i wake up 5 hours later and man im high..i wore a sensor and it showed to that i would go low and not feel it and the liver kicking in ..diabetes such an interesting diease

may · #10 (**permalink**) 01-24-2005, 04:40 PM

How do you know the liver is kicking in .
Can't a morning sugar go higher without the liver playing a part.
I don't know, it may work that way..
just wonder how a person can know that's what it is ??

debaroo · #11 (**permalink**) 01-24-2005, 04:42 PM

i just always thought if your going low and dont feel it or wake up the liver kicks in ...thats what ive always been told

may · #12 (**permalink**) 01-25-2005, 04:33 AM

And, that may be correct.

But then I wonder why we hear the horror stories that when peoples bs go so low they have to call the ambulance, and some even die. Why didn't their livers kick in if that is a safety value?

KrisinNM · #13 (**permalink**) 01-25-2005, 05:12 AM

This condition is called Somogyi affect, there is a good description on Med-line. Sometimes suspected DP is treated by increased insulin dose in the evening which exacerbates Somogyi. One of those merry-go-round thingies.
Looks like my suspicions about DP are holding up

Harold · #14 (**permalink**) 01-25-2005, 05:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by may

And, that may be correct.

But then I wonder why we hear the horror stories that when peoples bs go so low they have to call the ambulance, and some even die. Why didn't their livers kick in if that is a safety value?

Glucose is stored in the muscles for immediate use and stored in the liver to get you through between meals. Fasting decreases the amount of stored glucose and when insulin levels exceed available glucose then one goes low.

may · #15 (**permalink**) 01-25-2005, 05:56 AM

Thanks Harold...that was "very helpful" and In plain languae where I could understand it. That would seem like a very natuaral thing.

Krisin, I read about the Somogyi...but I didn't understand it!

In thinking I am understanding Harolds explanation that glucose is stored in the muscles and liver for when we need it...
Does that mean that with the dp (the early morning rise) that the liver or the muscles has just risen us up some so that we don't go to low.
Isn't it wonderful for that protection...and a good thing that our body is doing that?

It seems like when we are getting that protection that people freak and hate that morning rise. My next question would be, wouldn't be best to just flow with that morning rise instead of constantly fighting it?

Personally it happens to me sometimes.
I don't fight it...it's for about 4-5 hrs in the morning.
I just figure its what my body wants to do!

OR Am, I suppose to be fighting the dp?