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09-29-2007, 12:29 AM
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| | | Bill M
MY DR. TOLD ME I WOULD HAVE TO TAKE INSULIN IF I STOPPED TAKING AVANDIA 4 MG 2X
I ALSO TAKE GLUCOPHAGE 1000 MG 2X
AMERYL-GLIMEPIRIDE 4 Mg. 2X. I GET GOOD READINGS AS I WATCH MY CARBOHYDRATES RATHER THAN SUGAR. I AFRAID OF AVANDIA AS I HAVE HEART PROBLEMS. |
09-29-2007, 12:35 AM
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I am a: Type 2 | | Join Date: May 2007 Location: illinois
Posts: 3,316
| | | hi bill and welcome to df! if you get good readings-would you really have to go on insulin? and if you did-would it be so bad? i shoot lantus once a day-no big deal at all! take care,trish |
09-29-2007, 02:47 AM
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I am a: Type 2 | | Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Do Dah, OZ, aka Kansas
Posts: 4,633
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Originally Posted by BILLDIABETIS  MY DR. TOLD ME I WOULD HAVE TO TAKE INSULIN IF I STOPPED TAKING AVANDIA 4 MG 2X
I ALSO TAKE GLUCOPHAGE 1000 MG 2X
AMERYL-GLIMEPIRIDE 4 Mg. 2X. I GET GOOD READINGS AS I WATCH MY CARBOHYDRATES RATHER THAN SUGAR. I AFRAID OF AVANDIA AS I HAVE HEART PROBLEMS. | Bill with heart problems you should be afraid of Avandia and Actos. When it's time to go to insulin go to it. You will find it's no big deal and wonder why you waited so long. BTW, been taking Avandia for over 6 years, but I don't have heart problems. Good Luck!
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09-29-2007, 04:50 AM
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I am a: Type 1.5 | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: north wales, uk
Posts: 629
| | | hi bill,
dont ever be afraid of going on insulin if you need to do it. ask anyone who uses it and they will tell you it doesnt hurt a bit because its only a teensy weeny needle and delivered using a pen device, and you would be able to manage your blood sugars much easier as you match your insulin needs to your carb intake. |
09-29-2007, 06:28 AM
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I am a: Type 2 | | Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Ottawa, Canada
Posts: 3,293
| | Hello and welcome to this wonderful place! 
If you need insulin, go for it! Do whatever you can to stay healthy and have good readings, that's what matters in the end. |
09-29-2007, 06:58 AM
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I am a: Type 1 | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Bucks County, PA, USA
Posts: 1,064
| | | Welcome to the forum!
I am not happy with your doctor for using insulin as a threat. Would make me consider looking for a new doc. As others have mentioned, taking insulin is absolutely no big deal. 99% of the time, you don't feel it at all, and when it does hurt, it hurts less than sticking yourself for a BG test. The best part about insulin is that you can eat whatever you want, (just like anyone else) and just take anough insulin to make up for it. The dowenside is that because you are eating whatever you want, and taking insulin, you can gain weight (just like anyone else).
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09-29-2007, 08:29 AM
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I am a: Type 2 | | Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: St. Charles, IL
Posts: 549
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Originally Posted by owlyn Welcome to the forum!
I am not happy with your doctor for using insulin as a threat. Would make me consider looking for a new doc. As others have mentioned, taking insulin is absolutely no big deal. 99% of the time, you don't feel it at all, and when it does hurt, it hurts less than sticking yourself for a BG test. The best part about insulin is that you can eat whatever you want, (just like anyone else) and just take anough insulin to make up for it. The dowenside is that because you are eating whatever you want, and taking insulin, you can gain weight (just like anyone else). | IMHO I don't think it is good advice for a T2 to think they can "eat whatever they want" if they are using insulin. You must consider that a T2 is insulin resistant as well. If insulin is needed to get BG down then by all means don't fear going there, it is what's best for your health that matters.
Actually, I don't think "eating whatever you want" is a good idea for anyone.
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09-29-2007, 09:05 AM
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I am a: Type 1 | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Bucks County, PA, USA
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Originally Posted by MJB IMHO I don't think it is good advice for a T2 to think they can "eat whatever they want" if they are using insulin. You must consider that a T2 is insulin resistant as well. If insulin is needed to get BG down then by all means don't fear going there, it is what's best for your health that matters.
Actually, I don't think "eating whatever you want" is a good idea for anyone. | What I wrote was very general, and there was nothing that wasn't true. I also did mention that eating whatever you want, etc. could cause weight gain.
The idea is that insulin has many advantages and Bill should not be afraid of it, and his doctor should certainly not use it as a threat.
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09-29-2007, 08:18 PM
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Posts: 22
| | Now, I am scared! I asked my doctor if I should go off of Avandia, and he put me on Actos. Well, shoot, everybody has to go sometime, but I don't want to hit the glory trail before I have to.  I guess I will go back and see him. Maybe you need a consultation or something, yourself. |
09-30-2007, 01:52 AM
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I am a: Type 2 | | Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Do Dah, OZ, aka Kansas
Posts: 4,633
| | | enough said on this
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Originally Posted by owlyn Welcome to the forum!
I am not happy with your doctor for using insulin as a threat. Would make me consider looking for a new doc. As others have mentioned, taking insulin is absolutely no big deal. 99% of the time, you don't feel it at all, and when it does hurt, it hurts less than sticking yourself for a BG test. The best part about insulin is that you can eat whatever you want, (just like anyone else) and just take anough insulin to make up for it. The dowenside is that because you are eating whatever you want, and taking insulin, you can gain weight (just like anyone else). | Quote:
Originally Posted by MJB IMHO I don't think it is good advice for a T2 to think they can "eat whatever they want" if they are using insulin. You must consider that a T2 is insulin resistant as well. If insulin is needed to get BG down then by all means don't fear going there, it is what's best for your health that matters.
Actually, I don't think "eating whatever you want" is a good idea for anyone. | Quote:
Originally Posted by owlyn What I wrote was very general, and there was nothing that wasn't true. I also did mention that eating whatever you want, etc. could cause weight gain.
The idea is that insulin has many advantages and Bill should not be afraid of it, and his doctor should certainly not use it as a threat. | Yes, it's not the best thing to say to a type 2, because too many will abuse it. Deleted the other posts as off topic and I'll delete any other nit picky posts.  |
09-30-2007, 03:06 AM
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I am a: Type 2 | | Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: West Virginia
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Originally Posted by Harold Yes, it's not the best thing to say to a type 2, because too many will abuse it. Deleted the other posts as off topic and I'll delete any other nit picky posts. | Very nice. You delete posts for being "off topic" and then add your own comment on the very same "off topic" subject. A tad hypocritical, don't you think?
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09-30-2007, 04:57 AM
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I am a: Type 2 | | Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Connecticut
Posts: 150
| | | Let me be sure I understand.
A comment that someone is giving bad advice is "off topic" and will be deleted? |
09-30-2007, 07:05 AM
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I am a: Type 1 | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Bucks County, PA, USA
Posts: 1,064
| | Harold,
FWIW, I think you cut it off at the right point and left the most appropriate posts remaining. You can't please everyone, especially T2s 
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09-30-2007, 10:27 AM
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I am a: Type 2 | | Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Do Dah, OZ, aka Kansas
Posts: 4,633
| |  sorry Bill Quote:
Originally Posted by wiseguy Very nice. You delete posts for being "off topic" and then add your own comment on the very same "off topic" subject. A tad hypocritical, don't you think? | For agreeing with you I get called hypocritical. Quote:
Originally Posted by Who? Let me be sure I understand.
A comment that someone is giving bad advice is "off topic" and will be deleted? | It is when the number or posts on it approach the number of posts responding to the original poster.
No, I was just being nice. Like my tittle said "enough said." Left MJB's post advising that it was not the best term to use to a type 2. Answering to the original poster and making a side comment nicely about bad advice would have been considered contributing to the thread. You could use a little imagination, even quoting a post in one thread you want to comment on, and start your own thread about bad advice or advice that fits one type and not the other. At least it beats acting like a bunch of crows going in for the road kill. |
10-01-2007, 09:22 PM
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I am a: Type 2 | | Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,737
| | | Bill you have to watch sugar as it is a carb. You need to eat as healthy as possible, you sound as if you don't get a lot of exercise due to your heart problem. you probably need far less calories than you think.
I think your doctor meant that you may not be taking your current meds as you should so insulin may be next. I would avoid insulin until it is needed. If you need it or are not willing to go as far as you need to stay off it, so be it. I have nothing against it but the crowd rallying that its sliced bread because it works for them can be misleading.
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