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06-23-2008, 10:14 AM
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I am a: Type 2 | | Join Date: May 2008 Location: London, Canada
Posts: 79
| | | ketones Are they something to worry about if BS in normal range?
can they be attributed to a weight loss?
thanks | 
06-23-2008, 10:22 AM
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I am a: Type 2 | | Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Knoxville, TN
Posts: 6,267
| | | If you are dieting and eating very low carbs/high protein, you can spill ketones in your urine, just like you spill glucose when you blood sugar is high. I'd want to know the amount (small, moderate or large), as even a small amount would be considered abnormal, and a buildup could lead to diabetic ketoacidosis (though they would have to be quite high for this to happen).
__________________ T2, diagnosed 8/31/06.
Byetta 5 mcg
HCTZ 12.5 mg every other day for BP
Enalapril 20 mg 1 daily (ace-inhibitor)
Lower carb dieter (approx. 75 total carbs/day, more on weekends), taking chromium, multivitamin and fish oil tablets Initial A1C 8/06: 9.6
11/06: 6.2.
03/07: 5.3
06/07: 5.4
10/07: 5.3
05/08: 6.2 (right after dealing with shingles and bronchitis) | 
06-23-2008, 10:50 AM
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I am a: Spouse/Significant Other | | Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: SOUTHLAKE TEXAS
Posts: 109
| | | Generally, Ketones are only a problem for type 1's. The type 1 condition is ketoacidosis and is brought on by high blood sugar and dehydration. It involves ketones but is a different condition. | 
06-23-2008, 11:06 AM
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I am a: Type 2 | | Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Knoxville, TN
Posts: 6,267
| | | Would an insulin-dependent T2 be at risk for DKA?
__________________ T2, diagnosed 8/31/06.
Byetta 5 mcg
HCTZ 12.5 mg every other day for BP
Enalapril 20 mg 1 daily (ace-inhibitor)
Lower carb dieter (approx. 75 total carbs/day, more on weekends), taking chromium, multivitamin and fish oil tablets Initial A1C 8/06: 9.6
11/06: 6.2.
03/07: 5.3
06/07: 5.4
10/07: 5.3
05/08: 6.2 (right after dealing with shingles and bronchitis) | 
06-23-2008, 01:44 PM
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I am a: Spouse/Significant Other | | Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: SOUTHLAKE TEXAS
Posts: 109
| | | Yes, type 2's that have no natural insulin production could fall prey to DKA. These people are essentially type 1's. They got there by a different path. My mistake, for not pointing that out. Type 2's trying to overcome insulin resistance to loose weight using a very low carb diet should be at near zero risk, in my opinion. I find no warnings in the stuff I read. | 
06-23-2008, 01:51 PM
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I am a: Type 1 | | Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Royal Oak, Michigan
Posts: 896
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Originally Posted by PERKDOUG Type 2's trying to overcome insulin resistance to loose weight using a very low carb diet should be at no risk, in my opinion. | People who follow/followed the Adkins diet were advised to monitor ketone levels. Ketones are byproduct of burning glucose stores in fat and in the liver. Anyone can get them, diabetes or not, some are just at greater risk than others. I realize that Low-carb is not the same as No-Carb, but the risk is still there.
Even as a T1, I've never been prone to get them, even when high, sick, or both. At most I'd get "trace" amounts. My sister can get large amounts of them even with a common cold.
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Type 1 Est.1984
MM 722 and CGMS
Humalog & Symlin
a1c 6.8 (5.12.08) 7.2 (6.26.08) 6.9 (7.24.08)
Vitrectomies 5/07 & 7/07
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06-23-2008, 02:05 PM
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I am a: Type 1 | | Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 1,953
| | | Ketones are produced when fat is broken down. As fat s a major source of energy for all of us, we all produce ketones. Ketones are only produced in large quantities, which can be dangerous, when there is inadequate insulin. This is why it only becomes a problem for people who are totally dependent on injected insulin. Ketones produced because of low-carb eating and/or weight loss is perfectly normal and nothing to be concerned about.
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MDI using Lantus, Protophane, Novorapid and Actrapid
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